While it’s true that this is a position held only by one of the four main schools in Sunni Islam, it’s a fruit of the same poisonous thinking that manifests in other less obvious ways.
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This video explains why many ex-Muslims hide their identity when speaking out against Islam.

I was at the club the other day and while i was waiting to order my drinks a guy approached and we started talking, When he said his name it was an obvious muslim name, and i asked if he was muslim, He said he was, I told him isn't it haram to be at the club, he said he's not the best muslim, anyway we were continuing our discussion and we were on the topic of siblings, He has alot of sisters, I asked him if his older sister goes clubbing too, He said "she better not" i asked him to clarify and he replied saying muslim women shouldn't be at the club, and then i said you're at the club and he said it's different for guys.

So I'm wondering where these muslim men get their audacity from, where they're dictating and putting completely different standards on the women in their community. Mind you, his sister is 6 yrs older than he is.

I’ve noticed this more common in America for sure but they seem to live just like non Muslims but they still love to say “I’m a proud Muslim” ..: ? And why do some say you can be a Muslim even if you don’t dress modestly, drink, have relationships before marriage. They say it’s between them and god… so is Islam meant to be like this or is Islam meant to be the way people are living in Saudi etc ?

Context:

I’ve been Ex-Muslim for years. I was born in a Western nation and lived here my whole life, but my name is Muslim sounding plus ethnically I come from a country that’s majority Muslim so people have the immediate assumption that I am a Muslim when first meeting me. And I hate it. I hate having to lie about my identity to others pretending to be something I’m not.

This Ramadan I was drinking water while at the library and the person I was studying with asked me ‘I thought you were Muslim’, and I just said ‘No I’m not’. I only said outwardly I’m not a Muslim to this person because she also is not a Muslim and I don’t know her well. But simply because of my ethnic background and name it’s the assumption.

Whenever I do meet a Muslim, I basically put on an act that I am. I don’t want to outwardly say I’m not because I don’t know what the reaction following will be; and I know some Muslims take it very seriously.

It’s frustrating really, not sure what to do. Do I spend the rest of my life lying about my identity to others? I feel like I’m being restricted by an invisible barrier on what I can and can’t do in life despite not following the ideology anymore.

I asked about hadith 1438a (a hadith where big mo allows his soldiers to rape women but take their genitals out before ejaculation) and then within a minute of posting it they deleted the post Hadith 1438a : r/islam

i regret reverting to Islam 7 months in. my fam knows abt it, and they’re purely Christian. Idfc abt other people and peers but f it, i regret it so bad. Do i just start living like i did before reversion?

LONG READ WARNING.

I've been a part of this sub and this community for a long time and though it has always existed, I've seen a general uptick of people complaining about, criticizing, disparaging, and in some cases outright hating liberal muslims over the past few years.

And my question to you all is, is this really what you should be focusing on? Are liberal muslims really the bad thing?

• The general threads I see regarding the criticism of liberal muslims are the following:
• They give the wrong impression of what islam truly is
• They are privileged and don't acknowledge their privilege when they criticize other muslims
• That they are hypocrites
• That they aren't really following true Islam and either they should or they should leave islam.

And sure, some of those concerns are fair. However that overlooks all the genuine tangible positives liberal muslims bring.

• A liberal muslim is more likely to give their daughter a chance to pursue a career and an independent life.
• A liberal muslim is more likely to give their daughter, hell not even limited to their daughter, but their children a chance to actually live life.
• A liberal muslim is more likely to accept their children if they are LGBTQ+ and allow them to live happy fulfilling lives instead of a life full of despair and depression. And if they don't have LGBTQ+ children, then at the very least, they are more likely to raise children with the values of tolerance and tolerating the choices of others.
• A liberal muslim is more likely to allow their kids to pursue careers in the sciences instead of claiming science is against islam.
• A liberal muslim is unlikely to force their daughters to wear a hijab.

I can keep listing more and more things but the point is there are many real tangibly good things resulting from muslims being more liberal. And these good things far outweigh the fact that someone living on the other side of the world might feel bad because they feel looked down upon by liberal muslims. When you are telling people to pick a lane, and if they are muslim, not be liberal, then what you are doing is denying millions of kids a bright future and dooming them to the same oppression many here complain about.

The real truth is for many people, if not most, god and religion provide a peace and structure that they need to survive. And the real truth is, most people don't care where that structure comes from, as long as they have it, and most are likely to seek it from the beliefs they were raised with.

And so the fact is, Islam is not going away. Not in the next thousand years. Nor is christianity or hinduism, or any of the other big religions, because they provide a service many people feel they need. And dooming more kids and people to oppression is not going to change that.

Now you might say, ok, if they need religion, then they should actually follow it and not give a wrong impression of what islam truly is. That they should not fool people into thinking islam is the religion of peace. But here is another truth. All religions are made up and religions are what people make them to be.

So if people really start living a liberal lifestyle, and start actually making islam a religion of peace, that is not a bad thing. That is good for you, for me, for everyone on this sub, and for the whole world.

We should be encouraging more liberalism amongst muslims, not criticizing it.

Hi, 20F here. I’ve been wanting to take my hijab off for quite some time now, just like many of the women in this sub. I’ve started planting some seeds into my Mom’s mind. My dad will be okay with whatever, as long as my mom is okay with it. She’s quite religious.

I was hoping anyone here could give me some points I could use for my mom. I have this dynamic with her that as long as there’s logic in what i’m saying, she’ll make some attempt at rationality. Obviously, I can’t tell her i’m an atheist and that I don’t identify with the hijab anymore.

I need some manipulative techniques I guess. What could I possibly say that wouldn’t arouse suspicion? I’ve worn it since before I even hit puberty.

Any ideas would be appreciated

My mother once told me that back then in her time and before that, many people weren’t knowledgeable in Islam and didn’t have any access to sources to study their religion except from a scholar. Most of their knowledge came from passed down teachings and many were illiterate

I have also heard many stories of secret gay clubs or meetups in that country from my cousins, which is so dystopian since it’s a truly strict and religious society. And that the Houthis used drugs to recruit young men, which honestly sounds bizarre to me but wouldn’t hold it against them since they are truly despicable.

Is it really a journey? look how they treat Earth to Khadija on reddit ever since she took her off literally because of trauma caused by them.

She’s getting called a whore for not wanting marriage and kids.

Meanwhile they want four child brides that don’t have to know about eachother oh okay! Not whore behaviour at all Moe.

Literally historically islam just seems like a fanfic of Judaism and Christianity since it came after and just twisted a few things.

Only reason it’s growing it’s the fastest growing religion is because they won’t stop getting married at like 18 and having ten babies. I’m so sick and tired of hearing the “it’s the fastest growing religion for a reason” argument. These babies don’t even know about islam half their lives they follow islam because they are taught fear and they never leave out of fear.

I’m not christian or jewish either i’m an antitheist. i just think islam is the biggest fraud of all three.

I’ve grown up in a culture different to Islam, then I went to Islamic school where I was taught women is an awrah and fitnah, I was shocked, I can’t believe a religion teaches you to see women as a sexual object and train man to be a pervert, in the culture I grew up in I was taught to treat women like a normal person and don’t be a pervert, and being a pervert is frown upon, I can’t believe Islam teaches men is normal to be a pervert and it’s their natural inclination, which was a big culture shock for me, they thought I was gay for not looking at women in a sexual way lol it’s an upside down world for sure, I’m sad a religion can shape your mind in a way to see yourself as a sexual pervert and see women like a sexual object then blame it on biology, it’s crazy

My brother married this girl back home. Keep in mind, a girl, not a woman. He was 24, and she was 16-17. To be honest, no one knows her real age because these dumb bitches don’t think it’s common sense to keep track of their age. They just keep popping out kids like it’s nothing. I told everyone how I didn’t agree with the age gap. No one understands why, acting like I’m an outlier, and they don’t see anything wrong with it. And this whore (my brother) isn’t even innocent. He’d mess with girls and then turned around wanting a virgin with no education or any work experience because he thinks women are fucking objects to be kept at home. He has a kid now, and he hasn’t even matured, and my parents stay quiet when he says he wants to get married again, and it just irks me how they let him act the way he does. But with me, it’s like if I’m not their puppet, I’m bringing shame to them. And they act shocked when I tell them I hate him like they don’t know the way he talks to me, how I should stay home, women shouldn’t go to work or school, or that I should wear the niqab and speak to me as if I’m not a human being with emotions. They call me selfish, but I’m the one having to keep dealing with their crap, and I can’t say anything back, and if I do, I’m the problem for defending myself and other women. They take out their feelings on me when they themselves don’t see how they destroyed me.

And when I’m gone, who’s going to protect my sisters? Every time they try to do the shit they did to me when I was younger, I get mad and tell them off so she doesn’t become like me and have no support to rely on. Commenting about her weight the way she sits, acts, or just being friends with the opposite gender like she’s 7 for fuckks sake.

what verses in quran made start doubting it? either ethical, scientific, historical etc?
for me this verse was start of my doubting and faith shaking:
حَتَّىٰ إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَوَجَدَ عِندَهَا قَوْمًا ۗ قُلْنَا يَا ذَا الْقَرْنَيْنِ إِمَّا أَن تُعَذِّبَ وَإِمَّا أَن تَتَّخِذَ فِيهِمْ حُسْنًا
Verse 86 of Surah Al-Kahf (Chapter 18)
the english translation of عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ is weird and apologetic: dark mud, that's why i think only who understand arabic will get why this was faith shaking for me.

As a muslim boy born in conservative family

I had known the limits but in recent years I started exploring the limits

And is breaking them one by one

And have gone too far including tabbboo, bi(attracted to other religion men only) and etc etc

Kindly ask me questions (not normal ones)

… between the Islamists and apologist Muslims on one side and the Non-Muslim far-right bigots and the regressive left on the other.

Haram Doodles 🤍
https://www.instagram.com/p/DbC9bnei8qF/
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For context, im 16 and my younger sister and her best friend are 12. Anyway, my sister came into my room yesterday looking pretty distraught. She kept on telling me it was about her best friend. Saying that her best friend told her not to tell anyone but that she was going to tell me anyway cuz she didn't know what to do. My sister doesnt really like telling me about what's bothering her, she normally talks to mom or her friends instead. Which is obviously normal for her age. So I was pretty surprised when I saw the look on her face. Ive been rambling off-topic for a while lol. Anyway, my sister was really nervous and kept on looking around and then she finally said "My best friend told me she doesnt believe in Islam anymore. She doesnt believe in God. She's an atheist." Now, I always knew her friend was wayy too mature for age, much more than how I was at 12 for sure. But I would've never imagined that it caused her to leave the religion as a whole. She told my sister that she'd been thinking about it and learning more for a year now, so since she was 11. I feel really bad for the girl, she told my sister not to tell a single soul, so her parents don't disown her in case they find out. My sister kept on asking me whether being friends with an atheist was haram, so I looked it up and reassured her that it wasn't, although its discouraged. What would she think if she knew i myself was an atheist lol? Obviously, I sympathised with her friend like crazy, since im literally in the same boat. Im 4 years older than her yet leaving islam fucked up my mental health. I can only imagine how hard it must've been for a damn child. So I told my sister not to distance herself from her and to support her since she must be having a hard time and nobody to confide in. I told her that the emotinal turmoil she must be going through with her whole worldview changing must be hard on her. My sister asked me "and how would you know that? Youre not an atheist too,are you? I see you pray. Please dont tell me you left too." I could tell that she was sad and confused. I obviously reassured her that I wasnt, and that im still a muslim. My parents and sister know that Im having a hard time with the hijab because I always complain about it (so they dont act all shocked when I eventually take it off lmao), so I just told her that I sort of understand how she feels because of my problems with the hijab. But I obviously didnt go into too many details besides that. My sister had obviously asked her why she left, and her friend told her that islam is misogynistic. She said she wanted to be free and do what she wants, when my sister tried to protest, her friend simply told her "take a look at Afghanistan" my sister obviously said that it had nothing to do with islam, and that it was just because of men and the West. Afghanistan is a prime example of western imperialism and religious manipulation and corruption all in one, so saying its all because of islam isnt 100% correct, but completely removing islam from the equation is just stupid. I definitely didnt tell her all that and just nodded as she continued talking. She told me her friend's opinion about the hijab and said that she reminded her of me because she said the exact same stuff i was saying , honestly I couldn't help but laugh. My sister kept on saying "She must be brainwashed. Those videos she watches are getting to her head." Obviously, I couldn't help but defend the girl. I told my sister that this is not how brainwashing works, and that she probably just had some doubts she wanted answer for and went down a rabbit hole till she ended up leaving. Again, I told my sister not to do the same thing to herself. Honestly, I'd be lying if I said her response didnt shock me. She said "I dont wanna waste my life on this religious stuff anyway. Besides, **im worried that if I dig deep enough, I might end up leaving too. I mean I've considered the possibility of islam being false at some point, but I just made sure not to think about it too much** islam seems to be the most logical religion anyway, compared to Christianity for example. And atheism makes no sense" I nodded and told her "thats because youre viewing it from your perspective. From inside the Islamic circle. A Christian could easily say the same thing about our religion". She couldn't really say much about that but she kinda mumbled, "well I dont really think were wrong. I don't think islam is wrong. We're on the right path!" I smiled at her and agreed. I didnt want her to be paranoid about religion at such a young age. I started questioning islam last year and its genuinely ruined my life, my grades plummeted and ive become much more short-tempered and irritable than I've ever been in my life. I dont think my sister could handle that. I dont want her to anyway. After that, my sister kept on worrying more. Questions like "So, does that mean she doesnt pray? How is she gonna hide it? What about ramadan? Is she gonna fast? How will she hide the videos shes watching from her parents?" kept on popping up one after the other. She's obviously completely oblivious to the fact that i havent prayed in 9 months, didnt fast for a single day last ramadan, and that I have an entire secure folder where I hide everything. I couldn't help but lol in my head as I told her not to worry too much and that her friend probably has it figured out. All she could do was support her and try and be empathetic with her for now. I kept on checking that she was doing okay, asking her if she still wanted to be friends with her now. My sister paused for a little and said "I do...I shouldnt worry much anyway, we were bound to drift apart at some point. She told me theres a high chance they'll move to the capital next year. So, its fine." But I knew it wasnt. Im going to university in the capital next year, and my sister had said that her and mom will come along if her friend moves, and if she stays here, she'll stay with her. But now, she just accepted the fact that her friend will move and didnt even consider the idea of continuing to see her. I could tell just how much the situation was affecting her, and I felt bad. But, deep down, a selfish part of me couldnt help but be angry at her. My sister and this girl have been friends since they were 5. That's 7 years down the drain if she stops talking to her or drifts apart from her. All because she left islam. My sister and I are constantly in each other's faces since we live in the same house obviously, and all I could do was wonder what would happen to our relationship if she found out that I left too. It would be awkward. And she'd probably be really disappointed in me. I dont know. I didnt want to think about it. Ive already been tormenting myself enough with thoughts like this since I completely let go of the religion back in January this year. Her friend told her about hooris. Said that there was multiple verses about them in the quran. My sister denied and said there was no such thing. Her friend even sent her 2 videos and told her to watch them. My sister didnt want to. She was worried theyd affect her. Her friend calmly responded, " if you had a strong faith that your religion was 100% the correct one, a tiktok wouldn't change your mind you know". I could tell by the expression on my sister's face that she knew her friend was right. I simply told her, you dont have to watch them, but let me see. Both tiktoks were made my creators i knew and watched, I even had one of them followed lol. The points she'd sent to my sister were pretty valid, but they needed work and a lot of looking into, so I just told my sister to forget about it after we both watched the video, she would keep on lowering the volume, but she couldnt hold herself back from worriedly reading the subtitles. "Those people dont know what theyre talking about." I tried to comfort her. "Maybe we could see what muslims are saying in the comments to refute it?" "No i dont want to. I dont care anyway. I said I dont wanna look into religion" she responded. I nodded and advised her for like the billionth time to not force herself down this miserable rabbit hole. I have her friend's account on tiktok so I was contemplating talking to her, but I figured its best i don't. My sister already told me that she has online friends who are 2 and 4 years older than her who she talks to all the time, one fo them is ex-religious and the other is an atheist, so they get along well. I figured i didnt have to worry about the girl since she had some sort of support system. Plus, I didnt want her to think she cant trust my sister. You know, because she shouldnt have told me any of this in the first place haha. They're supposed to meet up today. They're probably sitting together as we speak, I told my sister not to centre their entire relationship around this point, and that she shouldnt let it get to her. Then I asked her if she'll talk to her about it. She sarcastically laughed in my face, "haha very funny". Then she left. I hope it goes well for the both of them, but im honestly still so surprised, I can't even imagine how my sister feels. Who knows? Maybe the friend is on reddit rn scrolling through the sub. 🤗

does anyone else get a feeling of sweet catharsis when they skip prayers and things like that, i always lie to my family about it and i can't say i feel guilty, it always feels great knowing im claiming this time i would've otherwise lost to this stupid 7th century religion