r/financialindependence 11h ago

Daily FI discussion thread - Wednesday, July 22, 2026

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Please use this thread to have discussions which you don't feel warrant a new post to the sub. While the Rules for posting questions on the basics of personal finance/investing topics are relaxed a little bit here, the rules against memes/spam/self-promotion/excessive rudeness/politics still apply!

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r/financialindependence May 24 '26

The 2025 Survey Results Are Here

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You can all stop asking because… The data for the 2025 survey is now available. Woot woot. 

 There are multiple tabs on the sheet: 

·       Responses: The survey results after I did some minimal clean up work. 

·       Change Log: My notes on the clean-up work I did. 

I did not include the auto-generated summaries from the software this time because they skew pretty wildly. Last year quite a few folks ran analyses, so I'll add any links to those as folks post them.

If you want some history, here are the prior results. I’m also linking the old Reddit posts when I released the data, you can see the old visualizations linked in those if you’re so inclined. 

2023 Survey Results / 2023 Response Post

2022 Survey Results / 2022 Response Post

2021 Survey Results / 2021 Response Post

2020 Survey Results / 2020 Response Post

2018 Survey Results / 

2017 Survey Results / 2017 Response Post

2016 Survey Results / 2016 Response Post  

 Note: The 2016 - 2018 results are partial - all respondents were able to opt in or out of being in the spreadsheet, so only those who opted in are included. 2016 also suffered from a lack of clarity in the time period responses should cover, which was corrected in later versions.

And if you really want to see a blast from the past… 

Here’s the very first survey that was ever posted

And here’s how I wound up in charge of it 

And here’s what we originally all wanted to get out of this thing.

 

Reporters/Writers: Email [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) or send this account a chat with any inquiries.

 


r/financialindependence 3h ago

Retired@45. Life is too short not to retire early.

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Since retiring at the age of 45, about three years ago, I have been thinking deeply about what early retirement means and thanking the universe for exposing the concept to me at an early age. So far early retirement has been incredible and I have done so many things I never thought I would get a chance to experience. This includes spending true unconstrained quality time with my children, doing lots of affordable travel, building new skills, making new friends and growing my community. I have enjoyed every moment of it and discovered that happiness can be enduring. It is truly possible to be happy almost every single day. I have improved my health and fitness by a mile and also been able to increase the depth of my knowledge, skills and relationships while giving back without the constant pressure to make money or meet arbitrary corporate targets. It has been a great privilege I hope to never take for granted.

Recently I wrote a post about finding the joy in missing out. I the comments of that post someone referred me to the book '4000 weeks'. I just finished it and wow, I think its so important for people like us. The book reminds us all, that on average we live ‘only’ 4000 weeks. Our time in this beautiful world, is finite and what we do with that time really matters. In the case of most of us, if you are over 40, you might have only 2000 weeks left and once you include sleep and the really great healthy years left, perhaps that number is only 1000 weeks. 1000 weeks is less than 20 new year’s eves. Its less 5 leap years. Can one fit all their hopes, dreams, aspirations, goals and desires in such a small period? For me its not about the fear of missing out or of running out of time but rather finding the joy in missing out. Its about focusing more on pursuing those things that truly matter. The book re-enforced my desire to embrace mind glow and joy by realizing how precious and short life is. My main realization in early retirement has been about developing a sense of gratitude and how that can create a joyful life.

The message is clear, life is short and if you think about the incredible odds for you to have been given this one and only life… You realize life is even shorter and more special than meets the eye. Therefore it makes all the sense in the world to seek to retire early, do what you love and love what you do, whatever that might be. Hoping you guys are enjoying the early retired life and if you are still pursuing it, I wish you well and may you reach your goal soon, leveraging the freely available wisdom here.

These are my own and original thoughts. I’m also not selling anything. I’m truly just interested in sharing thoughts, perspectives, insights with kindred spirits and paying it forward.

Is FIRE something that’s always come naturally to you? Or do you wish you had worked more during your career?

Life is short, but I’m happy to answer any friendly comments or questions. :)


r/financialindependence 4h ago

Finalized ACA Expected Premium Contribution and Maximum Out-of-Pocket schedules for 2027

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I've had a few people message me about 2027 ACA regulatory updates and thought folks planning for the ACA might want to see these now rather than in another month or two when the press usually starts talking about them more. The first table below shows the amount (expressed as a percentage of MAGI) that a household will be expected to pay in premiums annually for the benchmark Silver plan in their local ACA market. The second shows the regulated caps on MaxOOP (and deductible) for ACA plans, though these are the maximum caps and actual plans may and often do have lower actual MaxOOPs. The final link is a clean PDF listing of the applicable FPL levels for 2027 ACA coverage.

Terms for those that are unfamiliar:

  • MAGI - Modified Adjusted Gross Income, a particular version of adjusted gross income used by the ACA.
  • EPC - Expected Premium Contribution, the amount customers are expected to pay annually for the Silver benchmark ACA plan in their market. Subsidy premiums are calculated as the market price of the benchmark plan minus EPC.
  • FPL - Federal Poverty Level, a measure used by the federal government as a determinant in many policy systems.
  • MaxOOP - Maximum Out of Pocket, the most a customer can be asked to pay for in-network covered benefits by an insurer in a given year.
  • CSR - Cost Sharing Reductions, the second subsidy system within the ACA that reduces out of pocket expenses like deductibles, copays/coinsurance, and MaxOOP.
  • AI/AN - American Indian / Alaskan Native
  • AV - Actuarial Value, the percentage of total average costs for covered medical benefits that a health insurance plan is expected to cover for a standard population. For example, if a plan has an 80% AV, the insurer pays 80% of average expenses, and customers pay 20% through deductibles, copays, and coinsurance.

Expected Premium Contribution (Coverage Year 2027)

MAGI (% of FPL) 2027 EPC (% of MAGI) 2026 EPC (% of MAGI) Change from 2026
Less than 100% No limit / unsubsidized No limit / unsubsidized N/A
100% to <133% 2.15% 2.10% +2.4%
133% to <150% 3.23% to 4.3% 3.14% to 4.19% +2.9%
150% to <200% 4.3% to 6.78% 4.19% to 6.60% +2.6%
200% to <250% 6.78% to 8.66% 6.60% to 8.44% +2.7%
250% to <300% 8.66% to 10.22% 8.44% to 9.96% +2.6%
300% to 400% 10.22% 9.96% +2.6%
More than 400% No limit / unsubsidized No limit / unsubsidized N/A

Source:

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rp-26-26.pdf


Out-Of-Pocket Maximum (Coverage Year 2027)

Plan Type MAGI Level 2027 Individual / Family MaxOOP 2026 Individual / Family MaxOOP Change from 2026
High OOP Bronze* All $15,600 / $31,200 N/A N/A
All non-CSR Plans All $12,000 / $24,000 $10,600 / $21,200 +13.2%
CSR Silver Plan 73% AV 200% to 250% FPL $9,600 / $19,200 $8,450 / $16,900 +13.6%
CSR Silver Plan 87% AV 150% to 200% FPL $4,000 / $8,000 $3,500 / $7,000 +14.3%
CSR Silver Plan 94% AV Up to 150% FPL $4,000 / $8,000 $3,500 / $7,000 +14.3%
CSR Silver Plan 99% AI/AN AV AI/AN Up to 300% FPL $0 $0 N/A

*CMS is trialing an option for insurers in 2027 to offer Bronze variants that are allowed to exceed the federal OOP limits by 30% in order to provide a wider array of premium options for customers. Such policies may only be offered by an insurer that also offers a normal standard Bronze. States are allowed to prohibit the availability of high OOP variant policies at their discretion.

Sources:

https://www.cms.gov/files/document/2027-papi-parameters-guidance-2026-01-29.pdf

https://www.cms.gov/files/document/cms-9883-f-patient-protection.pdf


Bonus: Here is a PDF from HHS showing the applicable FPL dollar amounts for various family sizes for 2027 ACA coverage - https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/b1bfa16b20ae9b89d525bc35de7c1643/detailed-guidelines-2026.pdf


r/financialindependence 16h ago

Annual Post #8, Middle Class Path to FI

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Links to my previous updates one, two, three, four, five, six, and seven.

—Me 34 y/o Project Management Specialist - $86,381 (includes 10% match and 3k bonus)
This post is a couple years late due to my former industry being DOGE’d and the emotional toll that took on me working through it and trying to find my path. Without getting too into it, I worked for a USAID contractor from 2022 until mid 2025 where I did international development work, mostly education/child labor prevention focused in Africa and South Asia. If anyone was watching the news at that time, you can imagine that that was a rough industry to be in at that time. I have so many brilliant colleagues that are still underemployed (or even unemployed) and I was fortunate enough to take action quickly, quickly getting an additional, non-politicized degree and PMP, and ultimately transitioning into a new industry.

I am essentially in an entry-level role in my new industry that doesn’t use my language skills (French and Mandarin) and has a 40 minute commute each way, but consider myself lucky to be gainfully employed. That said, I don’t care at all about what I do now and my motivation to FIRE is far greater than what it was when I was doing work that I was passionate about. I’m punching above my belt for the position I’m in though and I hope to get a sizeable raise soon to accelerate or path. This is one benefit of not being in the non-profit space anymore. Salaries are much bigger, and I’m expecting my next raise to take me into the six figures. 

—Spouse 34 y/o Teacher - $68,165
Similar to before, not a big update here. My wife still loves her job teaching French and sharing our love of languages with others. She is starting to accelerate on the salary scale (more below) and should be in the six figures within 8 or 9 years, sooner depending on how they adjust her scales. She’s happy teaching, though every Spring she starts talking about when we can retire. Classic teacher stuff. 

The great update is our state allows for purchasing years off her pension based on prior work experience. We are cleared to purchase up to 8 years currently and have already purchased about 2. A year is about 30% of her income, so this is our main focus as soon as daycare costs are done and I get a promotion. Assuming we’re able to purchase those years in time, our new FIRE date is summer 2039 at the age of 47. This would give us a penson 70% of her top income (estimating 75k), a mostly paid off house, 800-900k in investments, and my eventual social security of about 24k. We may do a few victory laps to help out the kiddos with whatever they choose post-high school (also increasing the pension & savings size), but we’re in a solid spot. 

—Family
Everyone is happy and healthy. Our two boys (4 & 6) and intelligent, kind, and curious, and luckily we aren’t dealing with any significant medical issues. My oldest went from being non-verbal, to being selected for advanced opportunities in school. We’re down to daycare for just one kiddo, and I’m hoping to get a promotion at work by the time’s out next year to both ratchet our costs down and income up for FIRE. 

—Numbers
Networth as of 7/20/26 - $357,091

Investments - $214,140 (inclusive of 81k pension balance)
This took the beating from my layoff. When I got my notice we were short on cash and cashed out 55k from my retirement. This gave us cash on hand to feel we could provide for our family in a time where my industry was in shambles, cash to pursue an additional degree and my PMP, as well as to pay the taxes come the following year. There was also cushion to do some home renovations in case moving houses was on the table and renovations were needed. It took me about five months to find a new role and it was a larger amount than was probably needed, but we were scared and unsure the impact tariffs would have. That 55k would be 70k today, and would have us over the 400k mark. That stings a little bit, but here we are.

Home Equity - $120,983

Cash - $22,000

Final Thoughts
Honestly… Writing this out is a little cathartic. I just hit my one year anniversary at my new employer, and thinking of what has all happened since my last post in March/April 2024 is crazy. In many ways it makes me appreciate the FIRE mindset all the more. We have resilience to these shocks because of our dedication to this lifestyle. But it also again reminds me of the importance of connection to others, be it your family, friends, or community. Playing guitar with my neighbor across the street had a disproportionately positive effect on my mental health when I was going through the job search. And I miss my colleagues from my old line of work. They are incredible people that did incredible things. Be kind to others, because you have no idea what others are going through. 


r/financialindependence 10h ago

Weekly Self-Promotion Thread - Wednesday, July 22, 2026

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Self-promotion (ie posting about projects/businesses that you operate and can profit from) is typically a practice that is discouraged in /r/financialindependence, and these posts are removed through moderation. This is a thread where those rules do not apply. However, please do not post referral links in this thread.

Use this thread to talk about your blog, talk about your business, ask for feedback, etc. If the self-promotion starts to leak outside of this thread, we will once again return to a time where 100% of self-promotion posts are banned. Please use this space wisely.

Link-only posts will be removed. Put some effort into it.


r/financialindependence 3h ago

Having a hard time leaving a $600 mortgage to build a home on dream homestead

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Looking for some outside perspective because I feel like I'm overthinking this.

My wife and I currently have about $150k in equity in our house, and we own some farmland about 10 minutes away where we'd really like to build and eventually live. The land already has a water meter, is cleared, and has electric at the road (just no meter yet), but it still needs a septic system. We really want to live out there and we raise pigs, meat chickens, and sheep seasonally so it'd be extra nice to not drive out there daily for chores.

We would qualify for a USDA zero-down construction loan, but right now we don't have the cash flow to comfortably build our dream home while also paying our current mortgage. After all expenses, we have about $1,000/month left over.

We also have about $140-150k in inheritance from my wife's grandpa that we haven't touched. Because I grew up in a household where money was always very tight, I'm honestly struggling with the idea of using it or taking on a much larger mortgage, even if it makes financial sense.

We're 25 and 26 with two kids under 3.

Here are the options we're considering:

  1. Wait a few more years, keep building equity, then use a USDA construction loan and sell our current house once we move.
  2. Buy a manufactured home for the land.
  3. Build a garage with an apartment above it, live there for several years (or permanently if needed), and build a larger home later if life allows. We're perfectly happy with a modest 3-bedroom house. (this probably wouldnt qualify for USDA as it must be done fully by USDA approved GC)
  4. The one we like the most: Build a modest "forever home" now (around 28x30, two stories, basic finishes) and try to keep total construction under about $300k. We're in ZIP code 66002, and construction costs seem like they might make that possible. We'd put full inheritance and probably 75% or so of house's equity towards home loan so 250k or more
  5. Since our county has almost no building restrictions (basically just septic/perc requirements), we've even wondered about building a weather-tight shell and slowly finishing the interior over several years while living in it.

A few financial details:

  • Monthly take-home income: ~$5,600
  • Monthly mandatory expenses: ~$3,000
  • Of that, about $1,600 is housing/utilities (mortgage, property taxes, insurance, electric, gas, water, internet)
  • We currently invest/save about $2,000/month ($700 Roth IRA, $1,300 brokerage/savings)
  • Roth IRA balance: ~$60k
  • Inheritance: ~$140-150k, untouched

Our current mortgage (excluding taxes/insurance) is only around $600/month because we bought the house as a foreclosure years ago. That's probably the biggest thing making this decision hard. It's difficult to willingly trade such a cheap payment for a much larger one, even though moving to our land has been our dream for years.

Appreciate any advice or guidance, TIA

Edit: Many folks recommend we keep this house and rent it out (could realistically do about $2500 thanks to proximity to private college in town). Then we'd have the rent go towards both this mortgage and new house mortgage? I like this but also love idea of having zero mortgages even if it means less 'passive' income


r/financialindependence 1d ago

Daily FI discussion thread - Tuesday, July 21, 2026

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Please use this thread to have discussions which you don't feel warrant a new post to the sub. While the Rules for posting questions on the basics of personal finance/investing topics are relaxed a little bit here, the rules against memes/spam/self-promotion/excessive rudeness/politics still apply!

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r/financialindependence 2d ago

What the FIRE movement gets right...

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Not much is new in the article - but still it's a pretty good summary of what FIRE means to a lot of us, and why we continue to pursue it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fire-movement-followers-modern-work-hustle-culture-solution-2026-7


r/financialindependence 2d ago

Daily FI discussion thread - Monday, July 20, 2026

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Please use this thread to have discussions which you don't feel warrant a new post to the sub. While the Rules for posting questions on the basics of personal finance/investing topics are relaxed a little bit here, the rules against memes/spam/self-promotion/excessive rudeness/politics still apply!

Have a look at the FAQ for this subreddit before posting to see if your question is frequently asked.

Since this post does tend to get busy, consider sorting the comments by "new" (instead of "best" or "top") to see the newest posts.


r/financialindependence 2d ago

Giving up an easy, well-paid side hustle to gain my freedom and passion back?

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I have a remote side hustle that pays hourly and is flexible. It's easy and low stress. I took it to help fund the downpayment for our dream home.

But now that I've hit my goal, I'm having a hard time leaving this gig. My next goal is FIRE, which I could obviously hit much faster if I kept it.

Before I got this gig, I only work about 20 hours at my day job. I used up those other 20 hours to vastly improve my health (physical and mental), discover a passion in game dev, and spend more time on my hobbies. I did this for two years and it was fucking awesome. I honestly felt like I was semi-retired already and living life to the fullest.

Start of this year, I decided to use those other 20 hours to make more money to accelerate our savings for the downpayment. In order to do that, I had to sacrifice the 20 hours of freedom I had.

The extra money was great. I loved seeing a second paycheck come in and putting it towards my HYSA for the down. And it helped us land our dream home.

But now that we've bought our dream home, I'm not feeling as motivated and want to get those 20 hours of freedom back. I'm longing to pursue my passion of game dev again, spend time learning how to DIY around the house, and overall just doing whatever the fuck I want.

While I love game dev, it does take cognitive load so I found myself hard to sustain it with a day job and the gig. In addition, I prioritize time with my SO/family/friends, exercise and relaxing hobbies otherwise I'm going to burn out.

There's only so much time in the day, and I feel like those extra 20 hours would open up a lot for me.

But I can't bring myself to do it. It's hard to walk away from that sweet moolah. It's hard to walk away from the prospect of hitting FIRE sooner. I'm finding myself still trying to put in hours at my remote gig rather than doing the other things that I know will make me love life. And it's frustrating me.

Any advice?


r/financialindependence 2d ago

Sabbatical / Career Break ASAP?

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Morning,

Bit of a life update. Returning from parental leave this week to a job I’ve wanted to leave for year(s), but have felt trapped due to earning potential (commission). My wife & I have been flirting with the idea of me taking at least 6-12 months off to spend time with our newborn and mentally detach from my job. Not planning to retire forever, but leverage out portfolio to take a brief hiatus from corporate. An overview of our portfolio:

Ages 36 & 35

My 401k $672,000

Wife’s 401k $138,000

Taxable Brokerage $598,000

HYSA $110,000

IRA $37,000

Total: 1.55M Saved/Invested (2.7% SWR or 37x expenses)

Annual Burn: $42,000

(Zero debt & home paid off worth $600k)

Wife enjoys her job at a smaller company & she can easily afford to cover the household expenses & still have money leftover to invest, meaning we don’t need to draw on our portfolio while I take a break. She is also outspoken about wanting me to quit, 1000% supportive. I had multiple dates in mind this year to step away, and this week really being the latest date I had in mind, just a matter of acting on it. It’s worth noting, I’m not concerned with eventually returning and taking a lower salary, just something more manageable and less “corporate”. I’m basically trying to give myself permission to take a break, but naturally find myself stuck in the “one more year” phase when the money doesn’t materially change much at this point. Our end goal is to retire around 41-43 together as our portfolio grows, but that will very likely involve part time work to meep busy and provide structure.

Our superpower is the low annual burn in large part because of zero debt & I’m hoping to connect with people that have been in a similar spot at a younger age and took the risk of stepping away


r/financialindependence 3d ago

Am I ready to FIRE by end of year?

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I (32M) have been following this sub for 7 years. Back in 2019, I started my FIRE journey because of what I learned here. At the time, my net worth was barely $15k. I was unemployed, depressed, and had no real goals or direction. I was driving for DoorDash and Grubhub delivering food just to get by. This sub gave me the motivation I needed to achieve something with my life.

Fast forward 7 years, and my NW is $1.1M. For the past 6 years, I have tracked meticulously my spending down to the penny. I keep a Google Sheets that I update with every possible spending. I mean everything, from gas and subscriptions to buying a candy bar at the store.

While I was paying off my house, my annual expenses were around $25-30k. Then, last year, I just paid off the house in a lump sum. This is my first year with the house fully paid off, and halfway through the year I have only spent about $8k. And this is me not worrying about being frugal! If this keeps up, my expenses will only be $16-20k by the end of the year.

I drive a paid-off 2009 Toyota and plan to keep buying inexpensive, reliable used cars when the time comes. I also do most of my own maintenance and repairs. Last month I did my own engine coolant flush, which saved me about $400 compared to the dealership.

Some numbers (roughly rounded):

  • pre-tax 401k: 43k
  • after-tax 401k: 42k (after tax. This is different from a roth 401k)
  • 401k company match: 34k
  • roth ira: 82k
  • trad ira: 206k
  • brokerage: 683k
  • hsa: 22k
  • paid off house: not included in NW
  • paid off car: not included in NW

I also have separate cash that is not included in the numbers above. That includes an extra $75k that I plan for a "fun" purchase within the next year, an emergency fund of $5k, and an extra $10k for a "sabbatical".

I have a paid off house that I purchased together with my parents, and we also live together. For context, I'm an immigrant so this is all normal to us. I'm also LGBTQ+, so I'll never have a traditional family. I expect to either remain single or eventually have a partner with similar financial goals.

My plan is to use a 3% safe withdrawal rate. So 3% of 1.1M is ~$33k. So let's round down to $30k to be safe. I plan to spend around $20k this year, and that's with me not being frugal!

Am I missing something? Am I ready to FIRE? What are the steps I should take to ensure that I'm withdrawing money correctly?


r/financialindependence 2d ago

Need advice

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Hello redditors, we are stuck and would appreciate any perspectives.

We are a couple about 40 y/o, no kids. We went through IVF and have a couple of embryos that we will have to find surrogates for eventually (minimum $100k if successful).

Finances:

\-I earn about $200k-$400k per year depending on the bonus (it is quite volatile with one year being at the high end and the next at the low end).

\-Wife currently does not work because she has a foreign degree that does not apply here

\-We have about $1.1 million in real estate equity which generates about $2,500 cash flow per month (after conservatively accounting for mortgage, capex, expenses, insurance, taxes, vacancy etc.).

\-$500k across after-tax brokerage and HSA

\-$650k in 401k

\-If I quit, I'll have an additional annuity of about $350 per month

My wife’s mental health has been declining. She could not pivot her career because 1) she arrived in the USA a couple of months before Covid which led us to leave NYC and not knowing when/if we'll move back. We lived out of our suitcase until 2022. We haven't been back to the city as I changed job. 2) Since 2021 - where she lost a pregnancy, my wife has been busy with fertility research, medical appointments and IVF, these procedures too led us to move around the country for clinics 3) she has a foreign diploma that is not relevant in the US (civil law lawyer but not an attorney with the Bar in her home country).

Since she finished her last IVF round mid 2024, she’s been having mental health issues and struggling with depression due to the fertility hardship, the hole left in her life after the fertility battle, lack of purpose, not being able to work in the US in a field where she would thrive (she already tried to pick up a job at a fashion store to keep herself busy and try to get back on the horse) and on top of everything, she feels extremely isolated in the US (it has been hard to make connections since we had to move around a bit for job/fertility and we don't have kids while most couples our age have kids). She started depression medication recently and is seeing a therapist.

This has been a difficult period for her and is starting to take a toll on our relationship too.

She expresses that she would like us to take a 6-12 month break from work and the daily grind in order to “reset”: calm her nervous system down, avoid the regular triggers that she experiences in our environment, for us to reconnect and bond in beauty and joy rather than in pain and struggles, and reorient ourselves towards a common goal as all our plans have fallen through. She would like to travel a bit to be awed again by life.

She has family in Europe so if we go there, our monthly costs could decrease (we have an apartment in Europe or could stay with her parents). Or we could be in Asia for travel or south America which would have a lower cost of living than the US as well.

I think financially we could be okay barring a big drop in the stock market, but please let me know if you think otherwise or have any suggestions.

My concern is that for us to take this 6-12 month break, I would have to give up my job. My job has some benefits: fully remote in the US, interesting work in a field that I like, good coworkers (which is rare in this industry). I also feel that I'm on the cusp of learning enough to be at the next level of my career.

Taking a sabbatical is not an option at my firm.

Most ideal would be to take a 6-12 month break then find a fully remote job where I can work 6 months of the year outside of the US so we can spend part of the year in Europe, closer to my wife's family and friends. But I don't know how easy this would be to find.

For us to take this break, I would like the option of not having to go back to work if I don't want. I think if we are careful with our spending, then we can do this with our current finances.

My wife, however, is sure that she would like me to go back to work after this 6-12 month break. I understand this request from her because for us to be together in the US, she had to give up her career in Europe so I'm the high earner in our couple currently. The reasons to go back to work would be to pay for surrogacy, pay down some rental property debt to free up some cash flow, and to buy a house to live in.

The thing that is holding me back is that I have a good job at the moment, and if I give it up, I'm not sure to find one that is as good. This is a key part of the equation because it is the true “cost” of quitting and taking this 6-12 month reset. For example if I had a job in an extremely highly demanded field and I could find another job easily, then the “cost” of taking this break would not be that great because I could easily replace the job afterwards. But my ability to find a similar job, fully remote, one that I like, and with a similar trajectory, is a big unknown.

We explored the possibility of being separated for a period time (she stays in Europe to try to get mentally better while I stay in the US), but it isn't a good option for our marriage.

Just to clarify, she's been very active at trying to creating a life, she engaged in hobbies (met mostly retirees), invited our neighbors over several times but little return on investment as most of them are busy parents, she recently tried to go volunteer at a pet rescue. Getting out of the house to go to coffee shops, all at least 15min drivimg away and then what? It's not Europe where you can just walk out of your house and see where your steps take you. She did a lot, I can't say she didn't.

Part of me thinks: we worked so hard to be somewhat financially secure now - isn't this what financial security should be able to buy us- a mental health respite if we need it? But I'm the other hand with the job market etc. etc.

Any thoughts or perspectives would be appreciated!


r/financialindependence 3d ago

Daily FI discussion thread - Sunday, July 19, 2026

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r/financialindependence 4d ago

Daily FI discussion thread - Saturday, July 18, 2026

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r/financialindependence 6d ago

It took 13 years after college to hit 1 million. It took 3 years after that to hit 2 million.

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They were right. The first million is the hardest. The second million came pretty quickly. I just hit the 2M marker last week and I wanted to share what it took to get there.

Here are the stats:

38M

B.S in Computer Science at a top 50 college, fully paid for by parents and scholarships

0 in parental financial assistance after college

Married in 2023 (income calculation in 2023 includes our combined income, net worth calculation includes my wife's assets as well starting in 2025)

Year (first year age 23) Adjusted Gross Income (k) NW (k)
2011 57 37
2012 65 51
2013 70 77
2014 74 79
2015 77 116
2016 82 120
2017 92 276
2018 100 303
2019 111 421
2020 117 651
2021 180 930
2022 187 848
2023 270 1,197
2024 320 1,337
2025 340 1,822
2026 --- 2,010

No outrageous stock plays or anything like that. 95%+ of my investable assets are held in low cost, broad market equity ETFs. I have almost nothing in cash or bonds. Aiming for fat FIRE, the plan is keep working until 50 (with the option to go to 55 depending on how I feel and how chill work is).

One thing I'm a bit leery of is the generational bull market run we've had, especially since COVID. A lot of the growth we have doesn't feel real, but then again I had the same feeling back in 2017-2018. In any case, I'm skeptical that I can get to 3M from 2M in less time as it took to get to 2M from 1M. We'll see what the future holds.


r/financialindependence 5d ago

Daily FI discussion thread - Friday, July 17, 2026

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r/financialindependence 6d ago

Employee Stock Options, when to exercise

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I am curious what this communities thoughts are on exercising employee stock options--most of the advice I see is about RSUs. There are a few competing things I am trying to consider:

  • I am already invested in this company because it is my employer, having a lot of my NW tied up in its options as well is the opposite of being diversified (so I should exercise and sell immediately).
    • They're currently worth ~10% of our household NW (~200k out of ~2M).
  • The options have a long time to expiration (another 6 years or so), and exercising early gives away that time value (so I should hold until the last possible day).
  • I don't need the money any time soon.

I'm currently planning to hold until the last possible date, or maybe spread it out over 2 years if that's better tax wise.

Edit: FWIW, it's a very well established F500 company. Not that those can't go to 0 a la Enron, but this isn't some super high risk start up.


r/financialindependence 6d ago

Daily FI discussion thread - Thursday, July 16, 2026

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r/financialindependence 7d ago

Daily FI discussion thread - Wednesday, July 15, 2026

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r/financialindependence 7d ago

Splitting portfolio

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Has anyone split their portfolio into 2 parts to help mentally with savings goals and eventually spending.

We are on our way to a very comfortable almost Fat Fire. I made a random comment to my spouse recently that we would have expenses covered and are working for extra luxuries and it got me thinking.

We budget in three parts - cost of living spending, travel and shorter term savings (newer car in a couple of years) and retirement portfolio.

So I’m thinking of rewriting my spreadsheet that takes our total projected portfolio and splits into two. What we need to live and puts the rest into an extra funds bucket. I could model living costs with a slightly lower SWR know we are well covered and then play with rest with adjustable withdrawal amounts for big trips while younger and new cars at intervals etc.

I’ve watched older family members struggle to spend incase they runout and I think mentally having this figure separated to be enjoyed might be advantageous. Might also help to know when to stop saving and pull the pin, rather than going one more year syndrome too. We currently enjoy our jobs so won’t be firing for a few years yet, got some expensive dream holidays to have first.


r/financialindependence 7d ago

Pay off house, invest, or both

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Here are the facts:

Age: Mid 30s
HHI - $300k without bonuses
HHI - $450-500k with bonuses
Yearly expenses currently $95-115k (including my mortgage, taxes and insurance)

Invested assets - $1.4M (mostly SP500 - 401k, IRA, and brokerage account)

Remaining mortgage: $520k with a 6.6% rate. House is worth $885k.

Yearly expenses would be closer to $50-60k if the house is paid off. I also won’t stop working, I would continue working in my current job for a while and I expect our pay to stay in line with the numbers above.

I have a windfall event happening (500-600k) that would allow me to fully pay off the mortgage.

I’m torn on if it makes sense to pay off the house or not. I know that I could potentially make more investing it, but historical adjust Avg return is 7% so the gap is not that large between my mortgage rate and that return. I personally feel like the peace of mind would be worth more than optimizing every dollar invested. That being said, I want to critique this thinking. What would you all do? What am I not considering?


r/financialindependence 7d ago

Weekly Self-Promotion Thread - Wednesday, July 15, 2026

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r/financialindependence 8d ago

Math on 530A Accounts vs. Taxable Accounts

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Generally I have been critical of 530 accounts (Trump accounts). However, today I did a study on tax drag for 530A accounts vs. taxable brokerage accounts and came to some interesting conclusions.

TLDR:

  1. All the results are pretty close with 55-year tax drag amounting to 10-60 bps with a range of variables affecting this like the eventual tax bracket during the kid's retirement, state income tax, and so on.

  2. Generally, like for like, the 530A account will do marginally better, but if managed properly the difference could be within 5-15 bps.

  3. There is a relatively tax-efficient alternative to Roth conversions for 530A accounts. Instead of paying tax on conversions or letting them ride for 60 years, the basis and gains can be split out after age 18 at the first job with a 401(k). This can result in no tax owed while still moving all future growth on basis to Roth treatment, limiting the tax on the gains side. This strategy shaves off the best case scenario's tax-free upside for 530A accounts but is much easier to achieve from a tax perspective, perhaps as a fallback if taxed Roth conversions prove undesirable.

  4. The choice between a 530A account and something relying on taxable brokerage treatment, like a UTMA/UGMA, depends on a range of factors not easily modeled, which are at the bottom of this post.

The Model

Let's assume we're talking about a stock fund with a gross return of 10% per year and a 1% dividend yield. I modeled the aftertax IRR on this investment across six tax scenarios. The basic fact was contribution of $100 for a kid at about age 5 which then compounds for 55 years and is withdrawn by the kid at age 60.

Here are the six tax scenarios:

  • Taxable brokerage account, no dividend tax drag

  • Taxable brokerage account, dividend tax drag paid out of cashflow

  • Taxable brokerage account, dividend tax drag paid out of portfolio

  • 530A account, Roth conversions paid in years 16 and 17 of scenario (roughly junior and senior years of college)

  • 530A account, no Roth conversions, taxable withdrawals at age 60

  • 530A account, no Roth conversions, at age 23 split gains into traditional 401(k) and basis into Roth IRA, taxable withdrawals only on former at age 60

Note that the taxable brokerage account scenarios are intended to encompass a range of plausible options, including a UTMA/UGMA account, a trust, or gradual gifting of parent-earmarked stock.

To calculate the tax cost for the Roth conversions for the first 530A scenario, I separately estimated how much would be in the account for a kid whose 530A received the maximum $5,000 annual contribution for ages 5-18, earned 10%, allowed it to grow for two more years, then did Roth conversions for two years with no other taxable income. I got about $41K in income for each of the two conversion years with about $4100 in tax (including an estimate of state income tax), which was about 2.8% of the overall balance. This isn't supposed to be exact; it's a starting point.

To estimate tax for the second 530A scenario, I estimated the total portfolio at age 60 after 55 years using a 10% growth rate, then deflated that by a 3% inflation rate over 55 years. This resulted in about 99% of withdrawals being taxable income, which I then entered in a tax calculator (again including an estimate of state income tax), which resulted in a tax liability of about 12% of the withdrawal. Again, not exact--just a starting point.

To estimate tax for the third 530A scenario, I used mostly the same parameters but simply split the basis out at age 23 to grow into a Roth account while assuming the gain until that point was moved into a traditional 401(k) or similar account to continue grow on a tax-deferred basis.

I then varied the scenarios for various tax rates on the long-term capital gains liquidation for age 60 and tax costs as a % of account value for the 530A scenarios.

I used compounding growth on $100 as a simplification to avoid building full portfolio size and tax models for all scenarios since there are a great many variables that could arise over 55 or so years.

Findings

I found that at a 20% capital gains (roughly 15% federal and state 5%), the various taxable brokerage account scenarios ranged from 9.38% IRR to 9.55% IRR. The difference between these IRR values and the 10% growth rate of the stocks represents the ultimate tax drag, spread across dividend tax drag (if any) and long-term capital gains tax. Of course, regardless of ultimate capital gains tax, the scenario with no dividend tax drag had the highest taxable brokerage account tax drag, while the two scenarios with dividend tax drag had less, with the version paying it out of portfolio being 2 bps higher. However, if the kid ultimately recognized these sales at a 5% state income tax rate and 0% federal LTCG rate, the IRR ranges from 9.7% to 9.9%.

For the primary 530A scenario, I started with the tax cost at years 16-17 of a 2.8% tax cost (measured in terms of portfolio balance). Since the result is a Roth account, there is no more tax owed at year 55. That got an IRR of 9.89%. This result assumed no other income with conversions spread across two years, which benefits tremendously from the standard deduction in both years and which basically requires the kid to not qualify as a dependent on the parent's return for those years. What if the kid had a job or an internship in those years, or otherwise didn't have a full standard deduction? I tried a tax cost measured at 5% of portfolio value for those years and got 9.8% IRR. On the other hand, if the kid attends graduate school, it's entirely possible that the kid will eventually fall out of dependent status and may be able to spread out all Roth conversions in the standard deduction, which could result in an IRR of 9.95% (depending on state income tax).

For the second 530A scenario, I started with the 12% tax liability on 99% of the ending balance and got an IRR of 9.74%. This result depends strongly on the eventual withdrawal benefiting from a significant standard deduction. If the entire withdrawal could be placed in the standard deduction (such as if the kid is married and not withdrawing a full 4% of the account to start), then the IRR could be as high as 9.95% depending on state income tax. If the withdrawal is taxed at 17% (say using 12% federal bracket and a 5% state rate), the IRR drops to 9.63%. If the withdrawal is taxed at 27% (using 22% federal and 5% state rates), the IRR drops to 9.37%. Both the 17% tax (12% federal) and 27% tax (12% federal) IRRs of 9.63% and 9.37% (respectively) compare to taxable account IRRs of 9.7% (tax drag, 5% LTCG, 0% federal) and 9.38% (tax drag, 20% LTCG, 15% federal). To my mind the most plausible scenarios are 5% LTCG (state only) with an IRR of 9.7% vs. IRR of 9.74% using an effective rate of 12% (federal and state with SD) on 530A.

For the third 530A scenario, I estimated an effective tax liability of about 5.7% of a withdrawal and an IRR of 9.88%. If the withdrawal is taxed at higher rates, it could be 9.82% (12% federal, 5% state) or as low as 9.74% (22% federal, 5% state), although these are rough approximations. You can see how splitting the basis out into a Roth account at a young age will do better than just leaving it in for future taxable income to grow. This scenario sits in between the Roth conversion IRR figures and the figures for just leaving all the basis in the IRA.

Limitations

Of course, if any of this happens in a state with no income tax, then all sets of IRRs would go up since state income tax is modestly impacting dividend tax drag and LTCG as well as Roth conversions.

Also note a couple other things. I used a 10% gross return on these to accentuate the tax impact with heavy compounding. Using lower returns would tend to favor the 530A.

I used a dividend tax drag rate of 20 bps in taxable account scenarios. This might be a big assumption if the account would be held by a taxpayer with 0% LTCG space for a material period. For example, a UTMA/UGMA account might have no tax drag for the first 10-15 years while the balance is under $200,000 and dividends fall under the kiddie tax threshold of $2,700. That's one reason I included the version with no dividend tax drag as an upper bound.

All of my scenarios assume the current tax structure continues to apply. Congress may and likely will change the U.S. income tax regime in a variety of ways over 50 years, which will likely include effects on 530A accounts, IRAs generally, or taxable brokerage accounts. "Permanently" lower rates for qualified dividends and long-term capital gains are less than 15 years old, and 530A accounts are less than 2 years old.

I did not model inflation into the $5000/year contributions to 530A accounts. I do not think it would make a significant difference in the outcomes since any increase in basis in these accounts would tend to also mean higher basis in the taxable brokerage accounts.

I did not study realizing capital gains during 0% years. This should be available to a kid who gains control of a UTMA/UGMA and would otherwise have been able to conduct Roth conversions with a 530A account. Particularly if the kid is a resident of a no-income-tax state during college, this increase in basis could improve outcomes on the taxable side marginally.

Conclusions

The upshot is that 530A treatment vs. taxable brokerage account treatment is very close and could plausibly go either way based on a range of factors. The best outcome for the 530A account is if you can really pull off getting a significant amount of conversions in the standard deduction, but this will be complicated if the kid remains a dependent for tax purposes or has work income.

On the other hand--and I was surprised by this outcome--just not doing the Roth conversions at all can still land the kid in a pretty great place for eventual retirement income. Being free of dividend tax drag for 55 years and then withdrawing the money in the standard deduction and lower brackets is not actually bad even if not ideal.

Also, the whole thing is a stark reminder of the power of compound interest. Saving just $5,000 per year during a kid's childhood can plausibly provide for a kid's retirement if stocks maintain something like a 6.5% real aftertax CAGR.

To my mind the choice between using 530A and an alternative with taxable treatment comes down to a variety of other concerns:

  • 530A is shielded from FAFSA, most taxable brokerage account ownership types are not

  • 530A is legally under child's control at age 18, while some (but not all) taxable brokerage account ownership types may not be

  • 530A is limited to U.S. stock indexes at this time until age 18, while taxable brokerage accounts can be diversified

  • 530A accounts can shift asset allocation to bonds (and diversify to international) any time after age 18 with no tax consequences, while taxable brokerage accounts can't be rebalanced without considering tax consequences

  • 530A accounts may have limited access until age 59 1/2 without significant adverse tax consequences, while traditional brokerage accounts have more flexibility withdrawal rules (though subject to LTCG tax)

  • 530A's lack of dividend tax drag makes MAGI easier to control for FIRE parents and for kid across a lifecycle, although if Roth conversions are not performed, there could be a bigger tax headache later

  • 530A accounts' limited contribution of $5000 may result in parents saving in more than one type of account, which could be a positive with respect to tax diversification and a negative due to complexity

  • 530A accounts will require tracking basis (possibly even on tax returns), which may not be done automatically

  • 530A will likely be shielded from creditors in most states, while taxable brokerage account structures will mostly be available to creditors unless placed in a specific type of trust

Best of luck!

EDIT: Ha, the last bullet point on considerations at the end was somehow up in the list of scenarios! Oops! I also added another bullet on the considerations.