r/prochoice Mar 15 '23

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT On AntiNatalism, how it is not the same as being Pro Choice, and why this topic needs to be separated from the Pro Choice discussion

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Hi Everyone!

The mod team would like the sub to understand a few things about the stance we take on AntiNatalist discourse here, and why we do not typically allow it.

There is a lot of confusion between these terms even within our own community, and our goal is to help people who consider themselves pro choice and also antinatalist to see how these terms are not only not equivalent, but are actually in direct opposition to one another.

All Pro Choice People are not AntiNatalist (or even Pro-Abortion)

We often get AntiNatalists in the sub who believe they are helping the Pro Choice cause, and while they are welcome here - provided the rules, beliefs, and standards of our sub are upheld - usually these posts or comments need mod intervention due to breaking our sub's rules regarding non-prochoice rhetoric and expectations of non-prochoice people. These topics should be separated in conversations surrounding choice, so as not to muddy the waters in the current political environment. Our sub's mod team does not support antinatalist ideology.

Pro Choice =/= Pro Abortion OR AntiNatalism

While seemingly aligned with the prochoice cause, being AntiNatalist or Pro-Abortion isn't the same thing as being Pro Choice.

Many people are under the misconception that being pro choice means being pro-abortion or AntiNatalist. While there is some overlap, this simply isn't the case for everyone (or even most) in our demographic. * Being pro-abortion means that in certain circumstances (the most common are when people become pregnant under a certain age or when their life or economic circumstances aren't ideal) someone would advocate for the pregnant person to have an abortion rather than give birth even if the pregnant person does not want to have an abortion and would choose to birth the child. * Being AntiNatalist is subscribing to the philosophy that humans in general should not be procreating at all, and that it is immoral or wrong to even consider doing so due to the state of the world, overpopulation, and many other reasons.

Many of us are already parents. Many others intend to become parents, but are not ready to at this time. And almost none of us believe that no one should have children, or that anyone should have to have an abortion if they don't want to. By inserting pro-abortion or AntiNatalist ideologies into the Pro Choice debate, we cause the topics to become tangled to people who are anti abortion and prefer not to understand the myriad of reasons one may have an abortion even if they do not want to - even if they were trying to conceive and really wanted the pregnancy, but things didn't go the way they intended.

The truth is even people with wanted pregnancies are hurt by abortion bans - people who want to be parents but have something go wrong with the pregnancy or in their life circumstances that cause them to have to terminate a pregnancy; a birth defect that would lead to infant mortality or a nonviable pregnancy, a spouse who becomes abusive, or a life threatening condition that comes up due to the pregnancy are the first things that come to mind, but this list isn't exhaustive by any means.

While it could be said that many (if not most or even all) AntiNatalists are against abortion bans, the same is not true in reverse - antinatalists make up a very small percentage of the total Pro Choice population, and assuming (or insinuating in discourse) that all of us are against parenthood is an incorrect assumption that is more aligned with the anti choice communities and their rhetoric. It does more harm than good, and gives them more ammo against us.

Being Pro Choice is about CHOICE

This include the choice to conceive and birth children.

The very core of our ideology is that every single living being has the unalienable human right to have agency over his or her own body, what happens to and inside of it, and when/where/how/if they choose to procreate. We value personal choice above all else - we feel, on the whole, that the choice to decide what is best for one's life and family, the choice to decide not to have children, the choice to not have children now but perhaps later on in life, and the right to make these choices and then change our minds about them if we so choose and when we choose are ours and ours alone, as an individual human, to make.

How AntiNatalist discourse is counterproductive to the Pro Choice Movement

While we recognize that not procreating at all, ever, is a choice (and we support you if that is your choice!) we would like to take a moment to help people see how injecting AntiNatalist discourse into the PC discussion can be harmful to our cause.

For the record, we almost never see AntiNatalists who are maliciously attempting to undermine choice - almost all of them who come to our sub and have to have comments or posts removed, do so without realizing how what they said came across as being the antithesis of choice, or how they have broken our sub's rules. We attempt to help them see it, but we do have to remove that content because it is against the rules and the core principles in the sub.

Making the decision to be childfree is a personal choice.

We're with you here - and we think you should be supported in making that choice if that is what you choose. Many on our mod team are also childfree by choice.

Where the two points diverge, though, is in the projection of that choice on others. AntiNatalist ideologies are not the same as making the personal decision to remain childfree. AntiNatalist ideologies promote the idea that no one should procreate, ever.

In the discussion around choice, this is another removal of said choice. This is the other end of the spectrum of being antichoice - Pro Lifers argue that everyone who conceives should give birth. AntiNatalists argue that no one should.

Both options take away the personal agency of the individual, in favor of the ideology of another. Both take the choice away from the only person who should be making it.

Supporting Choice means supporting the choice to parent, too.

We do not advocate for forced abortions or forced sterilization here - for anyone (and this includes AMAB people, so this also means talk of forced vasectomy is also completely off the table here, no exceptions.)

If you identify with AntiNatalist ideology, we simply ask that you take a moment to think about the things you are promoting in the name of being Pro Choice, how you word them, and that you please try to separate these two discussions when you engage in Pro Choice discussions.

AntiNatalist Ideology is Steeped in Misogyny

You can advocate for having abortion bans be abolished. You can even advocate for being child free.
However, advocating that anyone should not be allowed to procreate, or even that they shouldn't is restricting choice and it is also parent-shaming. AntiNatalist ideology tends to only focus on people who are AFAB, and puts all of the impetus to not procreate on the AFAB person, the same way antichoicers do.

Instead of shaming AFAB people for "killing their babies," this argument is just turning that around and shaming AFAB people for "being too selfish to not have children, considering the state of our world."

Shaming is shaming, and shaming AFAB people for being AFAB and what their body can and can't or should and shouldn't do is misogyny.

Telling someone they must be a mother is the same thing as telling them they must not.

Some on our own mod team here are parents, too. Many of our members are. And millions of pro choice people worldwide are. The same way we do not restrict people who claim to be "personally pro life but legally pro choice" from posting or commenting here, we also would not restrict people who are personally child free or even believe in AntiNatalism but still support individual choice.

But we will not allow shaming, and we will not allow discourse that takes away any choices or makes people feel they are wrong for making them.

The bottom line:

If you aren't trying to make decisions for others or influence the decisions you think they should be making you're welcome to say, think, and believe anything you want. Where we draw the line is when it shames, harms, or otherwise reduces the agency of others to make those same choices in the way they make sense to them, for their own lives.

Anyone is welcome here if they are respectful, willing to listen and not just talk at people, and willing to follow the sub's rules. This is true of Pro Life people, and also of AntiNatalists - but please consider what you've read here if you fall into the second category.

If you still consider yourself to be Pro Choice as well as AntiNatalist, we only ask three things of you:

  1. Keep the AntiNatalism part of your comments out of this sub please.
  2. Think on what I've said here, and whether it truly aligns with being in favor of the freedom of choice for all.
  3. Please follow the sub's rules where they pertain to pressing views on others, debating topics, or arguing for the removal of anyone's choice to do anything at all concerning their reproduction, including NOT reproducing. These are specifically rules 1 and 2 in the sub.

Thank you!

- The r/prochoice mod team


r/prochoice Jan 27 '26

Activism International Voter Registration Drive 2026, from Democrats Abroad

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Hi- This is a message from Democrats Abroad, the official overseas branch of the Democratic Party. This month, we began our International Voter Registration Drive and we wanted to ask for your help. If you're like me, you've been appalled by the terrible public health policies, the foreign relations embarrassments, the open corruption, the brutalization of people, and all the other stuff. The midterms in November are a big opportunity to put more brakes on the terrible policies of the current White House.

Maybe you know a U.S. citizen who is living outside the U.S. They could be a dual US-Canadian or dual US-UK citizen, or a student, a retired relative or a friend on social media. Please share this link: https://voteabroad.org/RedditVote26. Our site can help them register to vote and get their midterm ballots. Wherever they are in the world, as long as they're a citizen who'll turn 18 by election day, they're eligible.

If they wish to join us and learn more, they can head to https://www.democratsabroad.org. If anyone here has any questions about overseas voting or what we do, feel free to ask in the comments below.

Thanks in advance for helping to get the word out!


r/prochoice 4h ago

Reproductive Rights News The Massive Federal Abortion Ban You Didn't Know Existed

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r/prochoice 4h ago

Abortion Legislation Abortion rights are on the ballot in 4 states. Here’s what to know

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Idaho voters will decide whether to roll back the state’s abortion ban, the secretary of state told the group behind the initiative in a letter Monday, joining three other states where abortion will be directly on the ballot on Nov. 3.

Voters in Virginia and Nevada — both states where abortion is already legal through at least 24 weeks of pregnancy — are considering state constitutional amendments to create a right to abortion.

And in Missouri, which in 2024 became the first state to use a constitutional amendment to undo an abortion ban, voters are being asked to override that to bring back an abortion ban, with limited exceptions, and to write into the state constitution a ban on some gender-affirming care for minors.


r/prochoice 3h ago

Prochoice Response Abortion thoughts

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The U.S. Constitution is not God’s inspired word. It’s a legal document written by white men engaged in international human trafficking, genocide, rape and other crimes again humanity. The document was meant to insulate, perpetuate and institutionalize their crimes.

-Lee Merritt

Progressives always trip on evangelical talking points. The question isn’t “When is a pregnancy a person?” It’s “when do pregnant people stop being people?” We don’t force people to donate kidneys or give blood. No one else is forced to put life and health at risk for a person.

Roe being overturned isn’t about a health procedure. It’s about removing the federally protected right to privacy and personal liberty of people who can get pregnant. We are deemed subordinate to a potential person. That life is given more rights than we are. That’s the issue.

Let’s start with baseline that this is a potential person. It’s also a potential person that won’t exist without bodily sacrifices from someone else. This court would absolutely overturn any attempt to force people to give blood to save others, let alone a kidney, because “liberty”.

This is the actual issue we are talking about. This is about personal liberty and bodily autonomy, and instead of refuting conservative talking points, we need to frame this in way that make moderates, at least, recoil.

Because we all know that this is exactly what evangelical think of where we are in the hierarchy of who gets to be human, which is why they’re coming after contraception, gay marriage, and etc. next. This is about defining who is fully human and who isn’t.

-Kameron Hurley

My mom just keeps saying, “Rapists get to choose the mother of their children now.” and that one sentence alone is enough for me to be Pro-Choice.

-Skyler Jay


r/prochoice 1d ago

Things Anti-choicers Say Wow they are not even hiding it anymore Spoiler

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Check this out guys this one is really interesting it really shows us who they are 🥀🥀. Note: Even her fellow right wingers followers are hating her and calling her slurs for having mixed race baby and yeah she even said she got SAed


r/prochoice 8h ago

Discussion how to counter an anti choice argument?

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the other day i saw a video promoting anti abortion on instagram via a friend’s story. i didn’t save the video and i forgot which account posted it so im just going to describe what i saw. basically, a young man told a story of how his mom unsuccessfully tried to abort him so now he hated his mom for it because he won’t have been here if the abortion came through. now i dont know how exactly the abortion didnt work but after watching this video, i was stumped. i didn’t know what argument to come up with against this story. thoughts?


r/prochoice 16h ago

Discussion Your thoughts on this guys?

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Even if it's alive since it depends upon other person's body and will to live by then it shouldn't be prioritised like the women who is carrying it therefore she should have full right about what to do with it


r/prochoice 1d ago

Support This mercury retrograde is one for the books!!

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I (21F) have been beaten back and forth by this Mercury Retrograde. Beginning of July I was told I had a huge growth on my ovary, then I got a check engine light on my car because of some gas leak, then I’ve been having anxiety attacks along with mixed bipolar 2 episodes, and on top of it all I’ve been experiencing terrible cramps and want to bite my boyfriends head off.

Well, today I was like “hm, maybe I should take two tests because I was supposed to get my period a few days ago” and bitch I’ll just let you guess what the results were.

As I’m on FaceTime with my boyfriend sobbing on the bathroom floor, I hear my parents fighting about money and bills - like guys we have bigger fish to fry here (jokes jokes)

TL;DR - I just really need support and kind words, i obviously know I won’t be keeping it because I can barely take care of myself right now, I’m finishing university, and I plan on going to esthetics school.


r/prochoice 1d ago

Discussion Pregnancy test before routine colonoscopy?

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Hi all: this is a throwaway account, but longtime user of this subreddit on my main account. I wanted to share an experience i just had before a routine colonoscopy (in the u.s.).

I (32F) have crohn's disease which is a chronic condition I've been dealing with for 5 years upon diagnosis. That said, I've had arouns 6 routine colonoscopy procedures since.

Today, I went in for another colonoscopy and used the bathroom as soon as I checked in to pre op (if you know anything about prep, you'll know why). At this point I wasn't allowed to have liquids for over 4 hours.

I came out of the bathroom and got yelled at by the OR nurse claiming they 'needed a urine culture'. Confused, I was like why? I've never had to have one in the past before a colonoscopy? She said it was to check for pregnancy. Keep in mind, this was already AFTER the pre op nurse called me a week before and asked when my last period was and if I could be pregnant. I really didn't feel comfortable telling her that info but thought that would be the end of it.

Anyways, the OR nurse (F) wanted to give me fluids so I could give a sample but I was not allowed to per my prep instructions--4 hours before procedure you can't drink fluids anymore. They kept being persistent and I was just repeating that there's no way I could be pregnant and EVEN SO a routine colonoscopy should not effect that.

The anesthesiologist assistant/nurse (F) also talked to me about needing the sample and I asked a bunch of questions. Is this a new mandate? Why is it so important? Why can't you just believe me? After much probing she seemed to be dancing around the truth and finally said said 'depending on the anesthesiologist, they can ask for a pregnancy test' because Propofol can cause birth defects (???).

News to me! I had never heard of anything like this and it sounded like some bullshit to me. I even googled a bunch of stuff and everything I read said that Propofol is typically super safe for pregnant people especially with short term use.

Because I refused a pregnancy test they gave me a waiver to sign stating they're not liable for birth defects of a fetus IF I ended up being pregnant.

Whole thing made me super uncomfortable as someone who is childfree and plans to stay that way. Also mad, because I'm here to ensure my crohn's disease isn't active and why do I have to deal with this other drama?

Please weigh in below: any similar experiences? Am I well within my rights to refuse the pregnancy test? Is this a trump administration mandate?

TLDR; I was being pressured to take a pregnancy test before a routine colonoscopy because Propofol could cause extreme 'birth defects' to a potential fetus.


r/prochoice 1d ago

Discussion Something insane I saw earlier

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I was scrolling on TikTok and a rant post about rape came up. The poster said that if a woman raped a man and gets pregnant from it, the man should have the decision if she can keep the baby or not. I thought this was sick, because don’t get me wrong, rape is disgusting and horrible no matter who it happens to or who does it, but in that same breath pregnancy and children aren’t punishments, and forcing someone into pregnancy OR abortion when they don’t want it, as well as takin away their bodily autonomy, is also horrible. A lot of the comments I saw were, shockingly, in agreement, and when people argued against it, saying things like you shouldn’t take away autonomy over someone m’s own body, the poster said it was the baby’s body.. they were also liking comments saying that abortion should be made illegal. Another one of their responses to ppl saying you shouldn’t take away autonomy is that “actions have consequences”, which honestly sounds like they view autonomy as something conditional.

I get their rage at situations like rape, and I share it, but taking away autonomy is NOT the way to go.

(The man in this situation, or any victim for that matter, should NEVER be forced to take care of the child or have custody if they don’t want to, that’s not what I’m arguing. The point is bodily autonomy isn’t something conditional, and it shouldn’t be viewed as such.)


r/prochoice 2d ago

Discussion North Carolina bill (H1232) would make it legal to execute women that have gotten abortions or have an IUD inside their body.

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This is exactly what I’m talking about. Apparently the rights of a single-celled zygote are now more important than that of a living, breathing woman.
A zygote is basically an embryo that has not yet implanted itself into the uterine wall and it usually consists of one cell or only a few dozen or few hundred cells.

If you’re a woman and you end the life of an embryo that consists of only 5 cells and has not yet even implanted to the uterine wall, they want to make it legal for you to be executed.

Because clearly preserving the life of an organism that doesn’t even know it’s alive yet, might not even grow into a viable human being and consists of just a few cells matters more than protecting the life of a living, breathing woman who knows she is alive and can suffer and feel pain.

There is a rare medical condition called amorphous globosus.It is basically a condition where a woman becomes pregnant, but the zygote instead of developing into a human baby grows into a disorganized blob of tissue with teeth and hair.
Just because you’re pregnant doesn’t mean that the thing growing inside you will for a fact always grow into a viable human child.

You could be pregnant and the thing growing inside you might not even be growing into something that resembles what you or I would call a baby.

Or even if it is, the pregnancy could end very early as a miscarriage because something is wrong with the baby.

I understand why abortion is heavily restricted in the second and third trimester when the baby is more developed because the closer you are to the end of your pregnancy, the more clear it is that whatever is growing inside of you will result in the birth of an actual human baby but very early on in the
pregnancy, it is genuinely not guaranteed that whatever is growing inside you will result in the birth of a viable human child.

But when you’re just a few weeks pregnant you genuinely don’t know. The thing growing inside you could literally be a disorganized blob of human tissue and not a baby at all.

15–20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage according to many studies, but if the pregnancy ended very early, before the zygote ever implanted to the uterus, you could have a miscarriage before you ever even knew you were pregnant, which means that the actual percentage of pregnancies that end in miscarriage could be much higher.

I just don’t see how anyone can legitimately expect a 15 or 16 year old girl who just got pregnant in high school to throw away her future over something like this.

The brain of a fruit fly has approximately 100,000 cells. So does an embryo that is around 6 weeks old.
A literal fruit fly has more awareness than a 5-week-old human fetus and they want to make it legal to kill a fully formed, grown adult woman over that.


r/prochoice 1d ago

Things Anti-choicers Say Discussing with anti-choicers is exhausting.

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I was discussing with a woman and a man about why abortion should always be allowed no matter what.

And suddenly they mentioned slav€ry and the h0l0caust.

I’m so confused? do these people think that human beings suffering and being in mental and physical pain during those historical events is comparable to a fetus who can’t feel pain and isn’t concious?😭 This made me so mad. Abortion isn’t at ALL comparable to either of those events.

I am just so baffled that they even think that it is.


r/prochoice 2d ago

Media - Misc Interview with Dr. Diane Horvath, founder of one of only THREE all-trimester abortion clinics in the US

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Hello r/prochoice!

Vital Signs podcast was incredibly privileged to be able to have Dr. Horvath as a guest. She is a genuine bad ass. She is an OBGYN that runs Partners in Abortion Care in Maryland, and is an active abortion provider.

She talks with Dr. Ahmed Ragab about the night the Dobbs decision came down, gives a timeline for getting an abortion in a state like Texas, and really spells out why abortions bans actually create MORE later abortions. She also shares about being the target of the anti-choice movement and perservering despite it.

This is a deep-dive from an expert; please listen and join in the conversation.

Youtube, Spotify

Substack, includes transcript if you'd prefer to read the conversation.


r/prochoice 1d ago

Thought What Do You Think Are The Strongest/most effective Pro-life and Pro-Choice Arguements?

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For the record, I am pro life but I come with the intent to learn and gain perspective from both sides.


r/prochoice 3d ago

Abortion Legislation One of strictest US abortion bans could be overturned in November’s election | Idaho

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r/prochoice 3d ago

Things Anti-choicers Say Why do anti-choicers call pro-choicers Nazis?

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Sorry if this isn’t allowed, I’ll delete it if it isn’t.

I was browsing the prolife subreddit the other day. I saw a social media screenshot (I think Twitter) about how a woman who was 20-ish weeks along chose to have an abortion in a wanted pregnancy because if the baby was born, it would not survive long outside the womb and would die and probably suffer. I think OOP mentioned the baby’s/fetus’s lungs weren’t developed or something. I looked at the comments and they called the woman a murderer. There was one singular comment saying something along the lines of it not fitting the criteria of an elective abortion (I honestly forgot what they said).

There was one comment calling this woman a Nazi. I don’t understand why anti-choice people would call pro-choice people and people who abortions Nazis. Is it because of eugenics? The baby would not have survived long outside the womb and would suffer their short life. Does anyone know why anti-choicers call pro-choicers Nazis? I’m not agreeing with them, but I’m just wondering why.


r/prochoice 3d ago

Activism What’s happening in Poland is genuinely disturbing

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In Poland abortion is heavily restricted from 2020. You’re only allowed an abortion within 3 months in cases of rape or when fetus is a danger to a woman’s life. Yet despite that our own polish government will sometimes prosecute doctors who perform abortions LEGALLY which makes staff refuse abortions very frequently since they can also legally do that. In Warsaw, polands capital opened an abortion clinic where woman can purchase a pill or get help traveling abroad for abortion. Yet since this place opened which was already few years ago sick prolifers stand there to this day doing shit all and just playing loud music and disturbing everyone living in the neighbourhood. What’s happening in my country already makes me mad but whenever I come across content about it online I genuinely get so angry. To be honest, if I were living in this neighbourhood and would have to deal with this everyday I would be in a prison already.


r/prochoice 3d ago

Anti-choice News Trump’s Pick to Head the CDC Says ‘Abortion Surveillance’ Would Be ‘Critical’ to Her Job

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r/prochoice 4d ago

Anti-choice News Women are dying in Africa as US ramps up its global battle against abortion

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r/prochoice 4d ago

Abortion Legislation Abortion rights are on the ballot in 4 states. Here’s what to know

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r/prochoice 4d ago

Discussion Adoption Should Be Considered A Valid Way To Have A Child

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A common argument against abortion is "just put the baby up for adoption so someone who wants a child can have one". Ignoring that such a thing requires the pregnant person to carry the fetus for roughly 9 months and then give birth to it, what about all the children already stuck in the adoption system? Especially older children. If I decide to have a child, I am adopting, and I recommend more people do that. Now, obviously as someone who is pro choice I don't think that should be forced. as pro-choice goes both ways, the choice to have an abortion or to not have an abortion. I really hope I am making sense.

EDIT: Here is a repost of a comment by u/RNYGrad2024 who makes good points about the problem with the adoption system:

Adopting is so hard to do and if you care about the original parent(s) of the child it's hard to see it as a great thing. Yes, there is the rare case where someone is truly happy with their choice to place a child for adoption but the vast majority of birth parents would NOT have chosen adoption if they had the support necessary to meet their own needs and the needs of the child. Because of that (potentially very temporary) lack of support they lose a child. That doesn't feel like a good thing to do to someone else, IMO.

We first ventured into this world trying to get our foster license. It was our very first step towards parenthood and we weren't even considering trying to make a baby. I'm disabled and we're a queer couple. As a queer couple, in one the the largest cities in the country, there was only one agency willing to work with us and they were turned off by my disability. So there went our ability to foster, right out the window.

Adopting from foster care, because we aren't licensed foster parents, would be nearly impossible.

We could go the totally private route with lawyers. That doesn't ameliorate any of the issues around the birth parent(s) losing a child.

So we're trying to have a baby using my body. We would've loved to adopt under ideal circumstances, and if those ideal circumstances fell in our laps I think we'd go for it, but it isn't realistic for us to plan to adopt. Hell, I've had 4 miscarriages, 4 uterine surgeries, a brain tumor, and countless tests on this journey so the idea of being handed a child to raise and not having to lean on my body would be a bit of a dream. That just isn't how this works 99.9% of the time.

Adoption is a trauma for the birth parent(s) and the child. Adoption exists to give children a home, not to give people children.


r/prochoice 5d ago

When pro-life is anti-life Hospital rejects Christian pregnancy center's anti-LGBTQ doctor pledge

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From The Friendly Atheist blog

https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/hospital-rejects-christian-pregnancy

The hospital in question was Newport Hospital District in nearby Newport, Washington, and the plan was for a real doctor (licensed in both states) to visit 7B Care every two weeks to meet with patients. In return, the clinic would pay the hospital $200/hour.

But when Dr. Kevin McNamee visited 7B Care on June 2 to begin the program, he was handed a Statement of Faith to sign… that required him to be Christian and anti-LGBTQ.

Not only did the clinic have a No Jewish/Muslim/Atheist/Gay/Trans Doctors Allowed policy. The Statement required single doctors to be “committed to sexual purity” and married doctors to be “in a heterosexual marriage consisting of one biological man and one biological woman.”


r/prochoice 5d ago

Media - Misc You know what grinds my gears

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Pro birth will preach RAPE IS ONLY 1 PERCENT OF CASES while then acting like every abortion is in the 3rd trimester