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Author bias note: It is in subredditdrama submission rules to try to stay neutral when reporting drama. In that spirit, I did want to state that I am a feminist. In my opinion, it's the most sensible option considering historical and present-day gender dynamics. Following that bias, I think that most people who don't consider themselves feminists would be if not for miscommuncation on definitions and beliefs. Above all of this, actions/behavior are more important than labels.
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Introduction and definitions:
What is tumblr? Tumblr is the new pdf (if you know you know). Tumblr is a blogging website; it's social media. Like reddit, it's hard to pin down a certain culture or "type of user" on tumblr. With that said, sterotypes are a thing. Tumblr users are typically seen as vaguely left-wing and pro-woman, among other things. It's known for discourse about hot-button topics, including feminism and the like. Tumblr makes itself unique with the "reblog" feature; users that "like" something can repost it on their own blog, which leads to an interesting way of sharing posts. I'm doing a lot of summarizing here, there is much more to be said about tumblr than what I'm saying here.
What is r.CuratedTumblr? CuratedTumblr is a subreddit for sharing tumblr screenshots. There are some rules about what can be posted and by whom; notably, a tumblr user can only repost their own content on Sundays. Some tumblr users have requested that their posts are not posted to the subreddit. This subreddit has gone through phases of drama in terms of posting, moderation, etc., especially in light of the API protests from a few years ago. If I am to be so bold, the subreddit is worse off now (but still worth lurking in, on occasion [also, who am I to say? I should have ditched this website during the API protests too.])
Tumblr is sterotypically pro-feminist, right? What kind of conversations are there to be had regarding gender equality and liberation in a tumblr themed subreddit? More than you might expect. Let's get started.
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Thread 1: We never stopped needing feminism. And we need feminism now more than ever.
Thread 1 is a screenshot of a text post, posted by tumblr user tasavvur-ki-duniya (more on that later), which states:
"We don't need Feminism anymore."
Then please tell me why a room full of women is a dream for most men, but a room full of men a nightmare for every women?
Reddit comments. For the most part, people agree with OOP that Feminism is necessary, but feel like the described scenario is rather strange.
The top comment, Comment 1.1: I feel like you could come up with a better reason why feminism is still needed than a couple vague hypothetical scenarios
Comment 1.2: I mean I agree that feminism is still needed but this statement is stupid, as a dude I’d be terrified of being in a room full of strangers regardless of gender and I think that goes for most people.
Comment 1.3: Not really a big fan of this argument. Try instead: Feminism is still needed because a man never needs a woman's consent for medical procedures... !Author note. Trimmed comment.
Well. Case closed, I guess. Feminism good, but OOP's example is bad. I guess we can close this thread and move on with our lives, right? Wrong! Misandry approaches.
Comment 1.4: I love how normalized misandry is on the internet...they get to call it feminism and be celebrated/promoted on social media as well. It's a perversion of what feminism was...now it's just girldinnerstories creative writing exercises to constantly peddle "all men" horseshit...and we pretend it's not breeding a culture of man-hate and man-fear among an entire generation....
These are all surface level comments so far. We can find drama in the longer chains.
Comment 1.5a: These "hypothetical" issues are why feminism is still necessary. Remember that feminism is merely political and economic equality to men. !Author Note. Trimmed comment.
Reply. Comment 1.5b: Did you seriously just say being concerned about the rights of men is sexist? You do realize feminism is about gender equality right?
Reply. Comment 1.5c: "Men's rights" in the reply you're replying to is referring to "Men's Rights Activists" (MRAs), a "movement" in the mid-2010s that claimed to be advocating for men's rights, but in practice it was mostly using male suicide rates as a gotcha against feminists and blaming feminists/feminism for any problems men experience as a demographic (problems which were either made up or negative effects of the patriarchy on men). Because MRAs also never got that feminism is about gender equality, and is concerned with many of the issues they raised (except for the ones that were incel bullshit, the incel movement emerged at around the same time and there was a fair bit of overlap).
Reply. Comment 1.5d: Was it? That's not my recollection of the events in question, but I'm also not a feminist, so I suppose we have different biases on that front.
Feminism never has been about gender equality. It's about women's empowerment, which ain't even necessarily a bad thing, but don't just lie about it. If it were about equality, they wouldn't advocate for women to be receiving more and more social and financial incentives for their schooling, despite women already bring ahead, among other things. Here's some examples of institutional misandry: the draft, infant genital mutilation, illegal against women in the US, but some 70% of mothers choose to do it to their sons based on aesthetic preference, the bias in the educational system.... I can keep going. Do you want more? !Author note. Trimmed comment.
Many more dramatic comments about misandry are abound. But let's get back to some parent threads. We have another lead I'd like to follow.
Comment 1.6a: Feels like random Tumblr radfem statements
Reply. Comment 1.6b: OP is just... one of those, so that tracks lol. Seriously, read some of this shit they try and hide. !Author Note. Trimmed comment. There is a proton link to the OOP's post history, which is hidden. Additional note, this is the same commenter as 1.5d, the one who brought up the draft.
Reply. Comment 1.6c: Oh dammit, I had my suspicions about OP, and this confirms them. They're not a radfem, they're obsessed with an internet cartoon and their weird feminism is an extension of that.
Interesting. Seems we ought to look deeper. What has OOP been up to? Turns out, thread 2! Two days later, OOP makes another post related to gender and such.
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Thread 2: Women: ask for equal pay, equal benefits, equal privilege, equal acknowledgement. Men in response to women asking for equality.
Thread 2 is a screenshot of an image post, posted by tumblr user, auntiewanda which shows
Is this a Pigeon meme format
Butterfly: Women are equal
Men: Does this mean I can punch you?
Reply: I've heard this so often and the dumbest thing about it is: a man can't punch another man. That's assault. So it's really just a threat.
Reddit comments. For the most part, people agree with OOP that Feminism is necessary, but feel like the described scenario is rather strange.
Top comment, Comment 2.1a: "Women can't be drafted"
I don't think you should be drafted either buddyboy
Reply. Comment 2.1b: Almost every concerted effort to pass draft equality has come from feminist groups. It gets blocked by male Republican politicians bloviating about "protecting our daughters".
Comment 2.2a: It probably says something about the normalization of violence against men.
Reply. Comment 2.2b: Seeing this comment triggered a carthatic release the likes of which you would not believe
Reply. Comment 2.2c: As a child I often heard authority figures saying "never hit a girl", which, naturally, led me to conclude that said authority figures thought it was okay to hit boys. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Comment 2.3a: Every post on this sub feels like a Rorschach test.
Reply. Comment 2.3b: OP in particular exclusively posts gender-wars ragebait, fairly often.
And there it is again. It seems like our OOP is quite the character around here. I'm not going to link their account, but they are the OOP of both posts. Post history was hidden last time I checked.
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Futher investigation.
Remember tumblr user tasavvur-ki-duniya? Me neither, which is why I went to tumblr.com and looked for that post. I could not find them! What I did find was the same post from tumblr user mournfulroses-00.
"We don't need Feminism anymore."
Then please tell me why a room full of women is a dream for most men, but a room full of men a nightmare for every women?
This was posted on Tumblr on November 1, 2024. Pretty old to be reposted to tumblr reddit in 2026, in my opinion. There is also little activity on this tumblr post. A handful of likes (58), a meager 3 reblogs, no comments. How did out OOP find this, I wonder? Perhaps mournfulroses-00 reposted this, but wherever the original is, I cannot find it.
So, why this "addtional investigation?" From my understanding, CuratedTumblr is supposed to be a 'greatest hits' of Tumblr posts, with famous or funny posts getting popular. Seeing these low-lying tumblr posts blow up on reddit (in terms of comments, at least), feels dissonant. Small tumblr post -> big reddit post, not make sense. The comments in these reddit threads allege that OOP is karma/engagement farming. With that said, I didn't see OOP participate much in the comments under their posts. Is OOP farming link karma? Why? Who knows? And who's to say, really? But after this find, the drama feels a little less organic.
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Final thoughts.
For the most part, these threads resolved as expected. Level-headed, pro-feminist talking points rose to the top. What I did not expect were the anti-feminist talking points to be upvoted so highly. The 'misandry' commenter had dozens of positive votes, to my surprise. But this is reddit, I suppose. Lots of people use this website, and lots of people have a lot of opinions. It's easy to click the upvote button, it's easy to click the downvote button. Is reddit the proper place to have a mature discussion about feminism? Probably not.
I've been sitting on these threads to avoid popcorn pissing. They're from the end of May, so it will be obvious who comments because of this subredditdrama thread. Don't popcorn piss, thanks!
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Correction, courtesy of reddit user Akuuntus. It's in the comments, but I also wanted to include it in the edit section as it's a direct correction to what is in my text body.
"It's supposed to allow whatever the users decide to post, as long as it's a Tumblr screenshot. It's never been intended as a "greatest hits" or anything like that. The "Curated" part of the name was meant to indicate that it was better-moderated than /r/Tumblr, which at the time was completely overrun by bots and had extremely minimal moderation"