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u/Adrenalinx4 5h ago

It engages your brain in different ways just like reading does in different ways

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u/ArboristTreeClimber 3h ago

I’m currently playing Pathfinder and it’s basically an RPG with a fantasy novel combined! A lot of reading in that game

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u/jeanborrero 3h ago

No joke, I’d argue reading snes jrpg games improved my reading as a kid

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u/Aboreric 3h ago

Same. I played a lot of games that had a lot of reading, and it had me at "Black" reading level by 5th grade (We had one of those color coded reading systems in our school library) and black was college level lol. I don't think I'm particularly that smart, but I did spend a ton of hours reading games with a dictionary nearby or driving adults in my life nuts with "what does this word mean?"

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u/deathblossoming 1h ago

I learned English as a kid by playing games with subtitles.

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u/s_burr 3h ago

Planescape: Torment dialog has more words than the bible.

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u/isekai_me_daddy 2h ago

Just play trails, 10x the words of the entire Harry Potter series, ~15x the Bible. Hell, cold steel 3 and 4 have more text than the Harry Potter series on their own šŸ˜†

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u/Aboreric 2h ago

Based. I love the trails series, and this is very true. I've put probably over 1000 hours in the series and I haven't even caught up to the latest game (on Kuro 2, or Daybreak 2 if your prefer, when I was last playing the series) and I also know I missed a lot of text from just not reading every npc's dialog lol.

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u/SwirlySauce 1h ago

Kingmaker? I need to start up my game again and play through the rest

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u/n00bxQb 1h ago

Both the Pathfinder games are masterpieces, IMO. There’s so much lore if you’re into reading.

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u/MossyAbyss 2h ago

I scrolled past too fast and had to come back to make sure I didn't see Megatron dapping up child Samus Aran.

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u/RepresentativeArtist 4h ago

It’s highly dependent on what you’re watching. What he’s saying is true for the majority of crap that’s on TV and that is what the majority of people watch. It isn’t true for prestige TV/movies.

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u/EducationalAd3415 4h ago

Could you give us an actual argumentative point then?

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u/EveryoneSaysWildNow 4h ago

Wild, wild blanket claim.

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u/EveryoneSaysWildNow 4h ago

That’s a wild claim.

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u/790405 4h ago

You might be legally regarded.

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u/Adrenalinx4 3h ago

You're bananas lol

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u/fallenouroboros 5h ago

With some games too theres no way they’re not incredibly good for you mentally as well as fun

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u/Careless-Emergency85 3h ago

Like the Portal franchise. Any type of game with puzzles really

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u/fallenouroboros 3h ago

A big one for me that pops up when these kinds of things come up is a puzzle game called pneuma.

You play as god creating the universe. He doesnt really shut up throughout the game joking around but talking about some philosophical things occasionally and it gets you thinking. All the puzzles in it are perspective based and were very different for me at least. I struggled with a few

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u/CamptoRibbit 2h ago

I don't think so, someone attacked me a few hours ago for liking games as an adult. (My comments in profile should be open to those that are bored)

I have the feeling the way they were talking about their dad constantly and how uneducated gamers are with no lives; I don't think it was projection.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves!

Painting is apparently a masculine hobby and video games is an incel hobby that kills people apparently.

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u/Careless-Emergency85 52m ago

A little bit of what you’re saying is hard to understand. Are you saying you like games but the person that attacked you says gamers are incels and should be ashamed?

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u/fatmailman 24m ago

His comment reads like how my friend would write when he was suffering from psychosis.

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u/s_burr 3h ago

Satisfactory, Factorio, Oxygen Not Included, Dwarf Fortress....

This is how I relax

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u/fallenouroboros 3h ago

Satisfactory is so Good! So many real life skills to pickup there

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u/TrippleDamage 2h ago

So many real life skills to pickup there

Like what? I got the game a while ago but have not gotten into it yet. Would be curious what useful stuff you can actually learn there other than organizing

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u/fallenouroboros 2h ago

Its basically a first person factory builder.

Math, organization, work flows, patience, fucking excel spreadsheets

If you get into the game it tests you on all of these

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u/Puttanas 3h ago

All that critical thinking in Tomb Raider has got to be some form of education

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u/RangerEquivalent4120 16m ago

Yeah like League of legends

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u/tankertough74 5h ago

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u/zenzony 1h ago

Or you can, you know, progress in real life... I say as I don't progress in real life but only in games šŸ‘€

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u/Unable-Afternoon3773 5h ago

Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time! I actually thoroughly enjoy train simming and flight simming as an outlet, and it ends up being educational for that part of my mind that craves repitition, order, stimulation and learning.

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u/Ruthlessrabbd 3h ago

A copy of gameinformer recently talked about games as escapism and what that actually means. It's not necessarily turning the noise off and blanking out from the world, it's doing something that makes you happy and puts you in a better state to make facing the world a little easier/in a better state of mind.

I'm paraphrasing but I feel like that applies to what you're saying too. It's making you more whole to play train and flight sim since what you need - repetition, order, stimulation, learning - are being fulfilled. Your relationships and "necessary" tasks are better for it too because you're more in order when it's time to engage with them!

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u/blackpepperjc 10m ago

I'm fifty years old and I have an issue with sleep, and sometimes if I wake early and can't get back there I will play a game to start my brain up and get it ready for the day's business. It works incredibly well for me rather than trying to get back to sleep for another 90-120 minutes and then still end up feeling tired all day.

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u/eljosho1986 4h ago

I remember playing the old windows flight Sims games when I was kid, like on windows 95 and stuff, it was so fucking amazing how detailed they were.

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u/Wasabi_Latte86 4h ago

Works your hand-eye coordination muscle, engages critical thinking skills, challenges you with moral decisions if it's that kind of game, let's you hangout and work as a team with your friends if it's co-op, helps you meet new people and potentially build new friendships if it's online multiplayer.Ā 

Video games >>>>>> watching TV.Ā 

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u/ASouthernDandy 4h ago

I like video games but this is incredibly reductive. So much television and film is enriching.

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u/Hot_Perspective4555 4h ago

He cites reality TV for a reason. Some film and TV really explore themes and the human experience but, many do not.

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u/wakeupwill 1h ago

Passive brainwashing is a thing. Shows and movies slide right in under critical thinking as people put themselves in a suggestible state of mind. Copaganda is an obvious example.

This is why people can have a hard time distinguishing between the real world and what's media shaped.

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u/Aboreric 4h ago

I almost exclusively play video games as my way to enjoy my free time, and while I do strongly agree with the points that video games engage your brain in many ways unique to them, I do still think it's a little overboard to treat TV/Film as sitting there doing nothing. In my opinion the amount that the viewer of a TV show or film is just sitting there doing nothing is dependent on how much that viewer engages with the content.

I know that when I watch anime, or when I watched movies a lot more when I was younger, I often think a lot about the themes of whatever I'm watching or how I would react in the situation the character is in, how I might process the events they're going through, or just trying to figure out what would happen next, your brain doesn't have to sit idle while you enjoy something in a more passive manner.

I choose to play video games over this more often than not just because I enjoy the way I engage with video games more than most other media, but that doesn't mean other media doesn't have it's merits. It is just dependent on whether or not the person engaging with that media will recognize that.

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u/zgillet 3h ago

I just rewatched The Phantom Menace and all I could think about was how BAD the CGI was, even in 1999.

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u/Aboreric 3h ago

It was incredible for the time period at least in my opinion. I was a very young kid when it came out/saw it in theaters and I remember being amazed by it. Granted I was a kid. Personally I still think it looks good today, but I'm also still a fan of the giant rectangle arms people had in the original PS1 FF7, so take that as you will. When it comes to most graphical art I usually find some way to be impressed by it, but I'm very much not a picky person in that regard.

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u/zgillet 56m ago

Look, I've seen Terminator 2, Jurassic Park, LOTR (bit later, I'll admit), and other blockbusters around the time.

It's amazingly worse than those. The only things that look okay are the droids. The Gungans look awful. Watto clearly took up most of the budget, as he looks WAY better than the backdrops and side CGI stuff.

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u/spageddy_lee 2h ago

And so many video games are mindless

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u/hotmaildotcom1 4h ago

I think the argument here might be that incredibly popular TV is often not enriching.

More so, the argument that I would make similar to this, is that people who disparage videogaming as a waste of time are generally people with underveloped personalities and/or empathy. I would argue these same people are the target audience for brainrot material across every media platform.

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u/ASouthernDandy 4h ago

Yeah, that makes sense - and includes brainrot video games.

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u/zgillet 3h ago

How I Met Your Mother isn't a masterpiece of art, but I did like the writing for anyone not named Ted or Robin. I learned some sitcom joke techniques.

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u/sauceywhiteboy 1h ago

Tbh it just tells me he’s not the kind of person to deeply engage in a good story in film and tv if I’m taking him for his view on how he described tv watching lol

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u/Osteo_Sapien 2h ago

Only if you choose to engage with it more than just watching (or really, having it on in the background while you doomscroll). Most (I have to say most here) video games require engagement from the player, they can't play themselves.

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u/Polkawillneverdie17 4h ago

I mean, a lot of TV will make you think or challenge you to understand narratives or new information. A lot of it is crap but a show like Cosmos or Breaking Bad isn't just mindless nonsense. People will point to the dumb reality stuff but forget that news, documentaries, etc are tv too. Plenty of shows that will make you feel things or simply learn new perspectives.

I think it's really bad to try and paint ALL tv or ALL video games or ALL (insert music genre) as food or bad or whatever. These things are top big for such broad statements. Better to take them individually as they are than trying to paint it all as something in particular.

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u/Saphira2002 3h ago

I agree about the games but disagree about the shows. Movies and TV shows have value, they're not just you sitting in front of the screen.

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u/Loli_Queen 3h ago

TV can be awsome too. If you watch meaningful content and good cinema you are actually developing certain emotional or analytical parts of your brain depending on the movie. Just don't watch garbage. The worst thing you can do in your free time is doom scrolling reels or tiktoks and that's what is most people's sole hobby at home nowadays, that's crazy to me. Watch tv, play videogames, cook, draw, just put that damn phone down

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u/WorkerPrestigious960 2h ago

Ehh, both can be fine. We are two obsessed with productivity as a society, and the need to always be doing something. Your body and mind needs some time to just sit back and relax.

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u/llewellynlaporte 1h ago

I used to have absolutely no interest in reading as a child, and if I was forced to, I couldn’t retain information. It wasn’t until I started playing rpgs that I developed a love of reading.

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u/No_Procedure9357 4h ago

No idea who he is but PREACH!!

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u/Arghi0- 4h ago

I always say the same....

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u/Smart_Doctor 3h ago

And then if you love video games enough you can try to make one. Then you'll REALLY be pushing that brain to the limit.

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u/jakes1993 3h ago

Problem solving games helps your brain work better also

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u/Own-Reflection-8182 3h ago

People who think video games are a waste of time are not that smart.

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u/hastings67 1h ago

Any person that speaks in absolutes is a complete imbecile.

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u/RGud_metalhead 2h ago

Why do most people in the comment section forget that TV has more than entertainment? There are entire channels about science, history, hobbies, etc? I think Mythbusters alone improved me as a person more than all of the games I played in my life, combined. And I do like games where you need to think.

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u/Konrow 2h ago

Yea there are definitely nuances here. Overall I agree you're likely using your brain "less", at least actively when watching TV but it depends on what you're watching, how actively, and for what purpose. Same with games. I have turn off brain games and games I play when I know my brain needs a work out lol. Mythbusters I'll pay actual attention to, the Rookie is background slop for example.

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u/peelen 2h ago

I mean, you can say about books the same as what he said about TV: you just sit there and watch letters on a page.

Of course, video games are not a waste of time, but whole this "what is better" is just a BS argument. If you're doing it for entertainment, and you are entertained, then it's not a waste of time.

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u/often_delusional 2h ago

It depends on what kind of tv shows and movies you're watching. Some are meant to be thought provoking and educational so you shouldn't sit like a zombie for those. What he said about tv usually applies to those reality tv shows though.

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u/M34nM4ch1n3 2h ago

I cannot read a book no matter how many times I try to get a story. I've tried at several different stages of my life and just end up getting too bored or asleep. But I can play games like there's no tomorrow and the stories and vast and enjoyable

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u/Aulumnis 2h ago

Straight up fighting games are actually what taught me how to properly learn and absorb information

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u/Osteo_Sapien 2h ago

I think about that scene in GTA V when Jimmy tells Michael to "enjoy your linear entertainment" a lot. It's the kind of thing I wish I had been able to articulate to my mom when I was younger.

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u/KingDaDeDo 2h ago

100% agreed

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u/K_Linkmaster 1h ago

Non gamer and this dude is right. Hand eye coordination is significantly improved. Reflexes. Critical thinking. Its all built in to games.

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u/Careful-Sell-9877 1h ago

Its 100% scientifically proven. Video games compared to any kind of passive consumption like watching tv, scrolling online, etc - can reduce rates of dementia by up to 20%. Video games activate the same parts of your brain as real life dynamics movement/interaction/traversal, etc

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u/TyrantJaeger 1h ago

I pity my family. They have no idea how much fun and engagement they're missing out on by not playing video games.

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u/sturdy-guacamole 1h ago

No show can come to the fun I have had past 10 years homebrewing and incrementally improving my path of exile builds, or more recently learning hard content on oldschool runescape.

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u/sakaixjin 4h ago

This guy gets it

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u/Glum-Literature-8837 5h ago

Said the same thing my whole life. You experience critical thinking, reading, hand/coordination, etc… instead of just sitting there.

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u/Spartansoldier-175 4h ago

Elden ring is a game that helped me with my patience and critical thinking. That dopamine hit from beating Malenia hit so damn good.

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u/SEVENS_HEAVEN_7 5h ago

Facts. I have been trying to tell everyone this lol

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u/Sonoreal 4h ago

For real.

In a TV u just watching how someone doing something. In a game u are this someone and u are doing this something and this is amazing. It's like reading a book but being able to be a hero of this book, and see everything.

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u/mrfatttty 4h ago

I play video games to satisfy my craving to murder without consequences

https://giphy.com/gifs/yhRnl31SmMec

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u/Khaos_Gorvin 4h ago

Parents told us our entire childhood games rotten your brain. Meanwhile they can watch 5 hours of tv a day.

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u/Fantastic_Fold2647 4h ago

That’s true

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u/Crotean 4h ago

Like with everything moderation is the key.

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u/HorizontalTomato 4h ago

They’re different for sure. Theres definitely value in some TV, but most of it is crap, just like most video games are crap. Quality games are truly transformative

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u/JadedVictory7070 4h ago

You don't to argue in favour of something that allows you to have fun btw

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u/Timtastic226 4h ago

There are quite a few published scientific studies that showed many video games, especially strategy and action based games promoted moderate brain functioning improvement and growth. Another cool fact was that in one of the studies, participants did not have to have been a gamer before hand to see improvement in mental faculties.

Here’s a few:
Huang et al., 2022
Wang et al., 2016, Frontiers in Psychology
Pallavicini et al., 2018, Frontiers in Psychology

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u/s_burr 3h ago

While there is no concrete evidence, I am hoping that playing video games all of my life will stave off the alzheimers and dementia that I saw my grandparents go through...

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u/Omnizoom 4h ago

Video games (depends on genre) have been proven to actually aid in brain development, reflexes and tons of other aspects of people

There’s a huge difference between consuming media and engaging with it directly

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u/Fun-Bag-1679 4h ago

That stuff aside it’s just fun and you never get in trouble staying in and gaming

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u/chatterwrack 4h ago

It’s interactive vs passive. I like both but they are not the same

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u/bratleh 4h ago

He didn't blink a single time.

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u/calm_down_meow 4h ago

You're problem solving in the game, you're progressing your character in the game, you're raging at teenagers in the game, you're throwing your controller across the room in the game, you're having to step back and breathe in the game, you're needing to sit at a table in the dark drinking whiskey in the game...

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u/PaintBaller1880 4h ago

I think this is kind of subjective, but yeah, video games are more interactive, and I feel like they're good for hand-eye coordination and improving focus, especially for those of us with crippling ADHD (me, lol). I also think video games are a more interactive bonding experience, especially with my kids or even close friends. I've actually met a couple of people I've played online with a few times, and it was really nice.

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u/blumeanie57 4h ago

Every time my sister says something about not wanting her kids to mindlessly consume media (which is her way of saying ā€œnot play video games) I have to restrain myself from reminding her that her kids were raised by Bluey while she stared at her phone.

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u/bryanBFLYin 4h ago

All of my reasoning and problem solving skills were learned from playing video games at a young age. Shit PokƩmon alone taught me how to plan and organize to achieve a goal.

I learned teamwork and communication from playing FPS with my friends (Destiny Raids, Halo LASO, Gears of War on Insane).

Videogames, especially games nowadays make you think, plan, and execute strategies. All of these are useful skills. I was absolutely smarter as a child because of videogames and the problem-solving that comes with them.

Criticism for videogames is old, silly logic spewed by dinosaurs who watch too much cable news

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u/mSummmm 4h ago

I agree and I also think video games engage your brain more than reading a book for enjoyment, which is often considered a more productive use of time by society.

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u/LazyBengal2point0 4h ago

Passive vs interactive entertainment.

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u/jgoldrb48 4h ago

Reading is also more fun than TV.

Video games and reading take up 90% of my entertainment time.

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u/Independent_Word3961 4h ago

Playing co-op games with your partner can improve your communication skills and encourages you to work together to solve problems.

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u/dranaei 4h ago

Pvp and rage at people. Good for getting better, bad for mental health.

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u/spinaljellyfish 4h ago

It just depends on the game or the film. Often people aren’t watching the more generic kind of static media in a critical or engaging way. Whereas, an auteur is typically creating ā€œstaticā€ media with the purpose of locking the audience into an experience that evokes so much thought and emotion that carries with it a certain kind of catharsis that you’re not going to get watching some lifetime movie playing in background, with the lights on and a million distractions.

Quality cinema (which granted is also a bit relative in terms of what is even quality to begin with) may work the intellect and pathos of an audience in ways that a lot of games might not, even though the game is interactive.

For instance, in my own experience at least, there are characters and stories in some games that hit the feels hard, but after a couple of hours of a fps, for instance, just dodging explosives and shooting people, it can start to feel a bit mind numbing.

I occasionally still play Fallout 3, NV, FO4, and Elder Scrolls because I think their classic games and fun but, despite some occasional engaging puzzles and NPC dialogue, I often walk away feeling a sense of brain rot that a really good movie doesn’t usually leave me with.

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u/ContestSignificant32 3h ago

The classics you've listed are all role playing games with engaging stories, but often, bland and repetitive gameplay. If you want to feel more engaged in the slower moments, build on your personal role play. Why is your PC exploring this random bulding in the mojave wastes? Are they looking for ammo, not for themselves, but to supply the NCR in the good fight? Ect ectĀ 

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u/spinaljellyfish 1h ago

That’s good advice for sure to apply to a lot of games. I did get deep into some RP action in FO4 and eventually I added a vampire mod and became a vampire hunter and made Macready a priest that follows me with a ā€œHoly Water Thirst Zapperā€ I set to do fire damage. Cait was my sidekick at first but she became a vampire, of course.

I also used console commands to add the pint-sized slasher to Vault 88, made him essential, and sealed him off in a section around the corner from the huge water pump. I filled the area with a ton of traps and turrets and stuff and sealed it off with a vault door and wall barricades.

The lore was that the pint-sized slasher was a sadistic kid that dressed up as a clown in pre-war times who got a rare version of mutation from radiation after the bombs dropped that turned him into an unkillable ghoul. I maxed out all his attributes so he’s hard to get near without getting shanked.

It’s up to me as overseer to ensure that both the vault dwellers and surface dwellers remain safe from this tiny immortal killer. It was fun watching him try to navigate all the obstacles to escape and whacking him in the face with a world championship bat and running off before he could take me out with one slash.

Then the last update complicated things and I haven’t had the time or energy to fix it so the game won’t crash before it can load. It’s been several months now, so I just play other games instead. I at least have screen recordings I’ve been thinking about sharing online at some point.

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u/Zapan99 4h ago

Almost as if legacy media always depicted video games as dangerous because... you need to plug them to a TV set, and screen time doesn't add up, it is shared.

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u/zgillet 3h ago

Don't post this in r/IHateSportsball

They fucking HATE gamers there, but won't admit it if you call it out.

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u/HogwartsRex 3h ago

Video games make you a better person, its confirmed.

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u/TinyTourist1229 3h ago

Eh that seritonin addiction does alot of damage especially if thats all a kid does. I say this as a gamer with a shit attention span

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u/Pristine-Garlic-3191 3h ago

I really like his hat. Does anyone know where I could get that hat ?

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u/beeydawg 3h ago

I play a game where I grind in a 2D rectangle with platforms and about 39 mobs spawned every ~6 seconds or about 18,000 mobs per hour, 1-2 hours a night during my work week and usually 6-8 hour long sessions on the weekend lmao. (Maplestory)

No brain. No thoughts. To the outsider this seems odd, but to me its a form of meditation. This game has very very slow long term progression that feels amazing to me. This game has kept my will to live alive during some of my darkest young adult years.

I realized when I got older that, well, I'm autistic as shit and grinding this game is a type of stim for me that helps me avoid my bad stims like picking scabs and biting the nails and skin around my fingers.

This game definitely doesnt benefit your brain too much though, aside from the bossing aspect of it. Thats what makes it good though if you ask me. Its a good game to shut your brain off with.

Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.

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u/RevolutionaryTaste55 3h ago

I wish I could fold clothes while playing video games.

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u/stopeer 3h ago

You can play dumb games, just like you can watch dumb TV.

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u/FoxinShards 3h ago

To be devil's advocate... you can absolutely grow and be challenged by certain types of films and stories. Stories that make you think and ponder. Though I also understand you can have that with videogames.

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u/OoT-TheBest 3h ago

Playing Dark Souls when it first came out did WONDERS for my work ethic. Holy hell I became thorough in my work.

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u/Ben-Solak-Rule34 3h ago

Both, and just about anything else is better than social media or phone usage. I say while using both, but still true

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u/Small_Article_3421 3h ago

Yeah basically every videogame is healthier for the brain than the majority of ā€œfruitlessā€ hobbies that most people have, especially TV. I think we’re getting to the point in society where most people are starting to understand that, but a lot of Gen X and Boomers can’t let go of their negative perception of videogames as a ā€œwaste of timeā€ or ā€œchildishā€.

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u/MilanZola 3h ago

I agree but I know people who whenever they get stuck on a mission or a puzzle within a game they resort to YouTube to find a fast way of progressing. šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/ghostriderkiller 3h ago

This is where some movies or TV shows of games makes sense as well. Assassin's Creed is one I use as an example. The movie should have been more about the present time stuff because, while maybe interesting to learn, it is not as fun to play. The history and being able to take in the setting is why we play the games.

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u/just_some_octopus 3h ago

Ofc it depends on the game. But this is the correct mindset and what my parents recognized.

Dad taught me OG Sim city. I learned all kind of things from video games. Truly.

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u/Deluxe__Sausage 2h ago

Dude has tweaker eyes

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u/JoeZocktGames 2h ago

I learned a lot of history playing Battlefield 1 or any Assassin's Creed.

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u/Alarmed-Struggle5928 2h ago

unfortunately this is prob just capitalism poisoning, and needing to feel "productive."

you can gain a lot from meaningfully digesting and processing complex enough stories. you can also mindlessly play games. it's never black and white.

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u/fastpixels 2h ago

Television can provide mental stimulation and skills development if you want it to. Video games can provide mindless, time-wasting entertainment if you want them to. Pitting one against the other is a pointless, endless debate usually used to bait-and-switch a completely different issue.

Let's not gatekeep free time, please.

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u/Weak-Pea8758 2h ago

Arguing this with my mother since forever

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u/shadowtempest91 2h ago

It is not a bad opinion, but it's a superficial opinion.

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u/Zalthos 2h ago

I mean, video games can actually teach a lot and they do help with certain parts of your brain, problem solving and that sort of thing. And co-op games have a social element.

However, "progressing your character" is utterly irrelevant. Just exactly the same as getting achievements or anything like that. So he's speaking partial facts here, but do not mistake progression in a video game to real life progression. Because they're just not the same whatsoever.

If you want progression, go and learn a trade skill or learn a language or learn to play an instrument, etc. Video games are a waste of your time if you're using them to "progress", and is one of the biggest psychological tricks modern AAA publishers use to keep you playing and paying.

Play in your downtime, for fun. Nothing else. The second you aren't having fun, stop.

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u/ModernManuh_ 2h ago

games are fine, they aren't "better" than any other hobby/relax activity though. In fact, gaming and social media especially put you in a condition where you feel like you accomplished something, which is where the lack of motivation some individuals show comes from. You have a lot of will power, you simply don't have the chemical response for it :v

That said: I play a lot, it's fine if you are not addicted

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u/Moghz 2h ago

Lots of research out there that proves video games are amazing for mental stimulation, specially as you get older. The brain is a muscle and if you don’t use it you will lose it!

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u/_SomeoneBetter_ 1h ago

I agree but becoming a better person HEAVILY depends on the person. The amount of slurs and crash outs I’ve heard is crazy. The amount of real life degenerates ive met who do nothing but play video games with no social life, life skills and are incredibly out of shape is also crazy.

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u/According-Leg434 1h ago

honestly as startdt to play wuwa but only want to get jyan now and then have some rest but genshin started on past november and those months i made good progress and also leveling good characters thing is that there are puzzls which seem engaging or annoing but had moment when next day i could unlock them as with better rested mindset

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u/GTA66669699 1h ago

He’s got a point. Video games is the lesser evil. Gaming 8 to 16 hours a week instead of TV šŸ“ŗ that’s a good decision. Most people spend 2-3 hours a day watching TV. Whatta waste.

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u/ChalkCoatedDonut 1h ago

That's why EA is trying to put ads in videogames, they know people solving things is people not buying things. Same reason they are pushing AI to make games, AI slopware (i think that's how people call them nowadays) can be consumed like shitty shows, which make people dumb and easier to influence.

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u/LoganHowlett1832 1h ago

Let’s not pretend watching tv or playing video is good for you. Obviously I do both. Way more than I should. But I’m not going to lie to myself and pretend one is healthier than the other

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u/ResurgentOcelot 1h ago

True, but…

TV is a very low bar.

From my experience playing games as an adult, I’m not super impressed with what they are often engaging or the problem solving skills they are exercising.

All too often I find they are emphasizing submission as a tactic. They present counter-intuitive and arbitrary conditions for the player to accept and obey in order to move forward and be rewarded.

That feels like a pretty ugly mode of thought to be training people in. Combine that with the number of games that are implicitly or even explicitly employment-work simulators and I think there is good reason to be concerned about the specific state of our corporate video game culture.

I often suspect it is perverting the benefits of gaming to have a oppressive impact on users. I sometimes feel creeped out by what I am playing, finding it focused on training me to be a good consumer and obedient employee. That’s pretty icky and it turns me off of a lot of games.

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u/SirChancelot11 1h ago

More engaging than a movie or tv. Good for memory, hand eye coordination, problem solving, etc...

I've made this argument for years.

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u/julyvale 56m ago

This person is not very smart.

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u/MisterYin4444 53m ago

No arguments here. I have to defend myself all the time from relatives who just don't it and its exhausting

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u/willcordell1998 51m ago

You could argue watching documentaries or educational television expands your mind as well.. but I agree with all his points. Not all TV is bad, not all video games are highly engaging and promote problem solving and creative thinking. To each their own!!!

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u/SprAwsmMan 49m ago

Video Games > Watching T.V.

Cognitively playing a game is better, because you're actually interacting with something. Bird watching or just listening to bird song is good for you for similar reasons. As with everything moderation is key.

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u/Glutton4Butts 46m ago

I don't mind what people do with their free time! Let people enjoy themselves!!

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u/WanderingRonin7 44m ago

Video games are a medium of my imagination. If I want to play as a specific type of character, there's an RPG for that. If I want to play god and build my own world, there are city builders. If I want to experience something realistic without killing myself, there are simulation games. And if I want a stunning game with a great story, there are plenty of games that fit that bill. I may be staring at a TV, but inside, I'm immersed with the world that has been created on the screen.

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u/Chin238 44m ago

Games are active, TVs passive.

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u/mentally_fuckin_eel 44m ago

Just remember not to shit on watching stuff. There are different needs which different forms of media can fill. But yes, video games are a much more active form of media, and it has benefits as a result.

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u/Centerman2000 44m ago

I'm 56 and in general I like playing video games in my free time a lot more than watching television. The shows that I do watch tend to be science related documentaries or comedies with a good amount of sci-fi and superhero stuff.

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u/TheMadZocker 43m ago

It's not about the medium, but how you engage with it. Thinking critically is just easier in games, because *usually* you as a player get a challenge to overcome. But you can just as well watch a movie, be invested in it, and then think it through; cinematography, plot structure, pacing, character layers, themes, and many more.

Because similarly, in some games where you are grinding towards a goal, you do the same stuff over and over again and switch off your head just as well. So much so that some are using a second monitor to get even a bit of stimulation - a movie, perhaps.

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u/SiderealSimon 37m ago

Depends on the game and video games can be an addiction. He is talking like an addict would

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u/Crazy-Boysenberry452 35m ago

The major twists impact me more playing video games than they do in T.V shows.Ā Ā 

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u/GonnaGoFat 12m ago

Yup I remember I was working somewhere ages ago and mentioned something about playing video games and the guy I was working with said ā€œvideo games are just a waste of time you don’t get anything out of it.ā€

I told him more or less what the guy in the video said and the person I was talking to kind of noticed I had a point and tried to think of a reason TV was a better choice than video games and said ā€œyou can yell at the TV.ā€ Which is a weak point but I also told him you can yell at video games.

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u/Nouglas 5h ago

Sorry...but is this really thought to be insightful? I had these thoughts when I was 10 in the 90s. I've repeated it like hundreds of times in my life.

This is not inspirational, it's common sense....the ideas of a fat, dumb 10 year old. True, of course, but still basic.

I'm just very curious...do kids nowadays really need to be told this...like they can't come up with the basic tenet of culture on their own.

Or is this a satire, or ironic, or supposed to be cringe, or something because it's so obviously common sense?

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u/KingDread306 5h ago

Hes likely talking to someone who probably thinks grown men playing videogames are pathetic or something.

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u/XxMathematicxX 5h ago

Yeah. Never respond to a question if the thought has been had by someone else before. Like what’s even the point of conversation, y’know?

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u/xslurmzmckenzie 5h ago

How dare people not be as smart and insightful as fat, dumb 10-year-old you!

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u/Nouglas 4h ago

So...you're saying that this isn't obvious common sense? That you needed to hear it from a charismatic dude to get it?

This is basic common sense and this dude is talking like he's come up with the answer to nuclear fusion or something. Having a charismatic person say things like they're sage wisdom when they're not is a sad scene. SEEING this and celebrating it speaks to a perversely underdeveloped sense of self.

And yes, I was fat dumb 10 year old.

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u/Worth_External_8762 5h ago

I'm getting "I don't have friends because I think I'm too smart to relate to anyone" vibes from you

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u/Due_Potential_6956 4h ago

I don't think he is talking to us that always knew this, he is talking to those who do not know, or those who see video games as brain rot, or a worthless hobby.

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u/Nouglas 3h ago

Yes, obviously. And I think you might've cleared up why I rolled my eyes so hard at this.

This is r slash videogames, not r slash videogames=brainrot. Posting this here is basically turning the thread into a circle jerk. It just smacks of desperation

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u/Due_Potential_6956 3h ago

I mean, I agree, he isn't saying anything new, I don't even know who this is, but sometimes some people need to hear the obvious from someone else. When I started gaming, I was seen as wasting my time. While others watched 8 hours of television non stop but was ok.

I get the stigma, but I was also outside riding my bike, getting into trouble, and spending time at my friend's house. And we also gamed and stuff.

My mom also assumed I was wasting my time till she saw news articles about how games help with the brain.

Its nothing new, but some people still hold negative thoughts about gaming.

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u/headcanonmusic 4h ago

this is dumb as fuck as if tv shows and movies don't have literary themes to learn from

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u/BaclavaBoyEnlou 4h ago

Kinda agree but there’s a lot of nonsensical bs on television for a long time now and most people rather watch stuff where they don’t have to use their brain that much instead of watching something helpful/ things they can learn from. Tv in my country is a good example there used to be a lot of informative and educational content on Tv but it all slowly disappeared and now it’s 90% brainrot besides some good movies/shows here and there

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u/ContestSignificant32 3h ago

Not all shows and movies have strong themes and narratives to learn from. Not all games are engaging and help you feel productive. Idle games being chief among games with little to no engagment. Its in the title of the genre.

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u/Wash_Manblast 4h ago

I'd rather play a 5/10 game over watching a 9/10 show any day of the week

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u/kapiteinkippepoot 5h ago

Putting time and effort into something and trying to be the best at that is better then sitting in front of a tv watching slop and commercials? Noooooo, say it ain't so...

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u/sultanamana 5h ago

Lol ā€œI become a better personā€ is a bit of a stretch but playing video games must be absolutely better for one’s cognitive freshness than watching TV.

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u/manny_the_mage 4h ago

That was always my push back when people complain about others spending too much time gaming

Versus what? Sitting watching tv? Scrolling social media?

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u/jajkabshsjsj 4h ago

So is watching porn. You learn new things on pleasure and stuff

Also after jerking off it helps to relieve pressure and also calls you down for the next task

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u/GloomyIndividual3965 3h ago

Shit like this is why many people have a low opinion of Indian men.

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u/xNonPartisaNx 4h ago

I got back into games in April. I was quitting smoking. And it worked.

But now its like, ok am i just gonna play video games all the time.

Joined a jiu jitsu gym.

Im not selling all my stuff. But yeah. I have better ways to spend time. Ill save games for weekends and stuff.

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u/1nce_Again 4h ago

I say this exact shit to my wife all the time. She'll tell me i spend too much time playing video games and I ask, would it be better if I was watching TV or YouTube or whatever you feel is an appropriate use of my free time? At least video games I am doing something, being creative or problem solving. I get to be a part of the movie instead of just watching it. Mind you this is someone who spends 90% of their free time scrolling tiktok

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u/An8thOfFeanor 4h ago

This is why The Sopranos: Road to Respect is the single best piece of media in human history.

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u/BobTheZygota 4h ago

Don't forget it helps you grow with reflexes, logic and problem solving. My dad was on bus driver psycho tests and many tests are something gamers would see as a minigame

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u/TheRaven200 4h ago

I’ve never understood the negative stigma of video games while people have massive movie collections.

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u/Zigor022 4h ago

Idk, if i worked all day, i dont want to grind or progress or get amped, just relax nowadays. Especially not multiplayer.

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u/WiiDragon 4h ago

I’d argue there’s some differences though. Like sure you have your mentally challenging games like Hitman, but then there’s also ones like PowerWash Simulator.

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u/DeadLad-69 4h ago

I don't mind people watching TV if that's what they want to do. What pisses me off is when people who sit there and watch TV for hours have the audacity to tell me I'm immature for wanting to play games, or that games are rotting my brain. They're literally sitting and watching the Kardashians or sports or some shit. How's is gaming worse than that?

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u/BathSaltJello 3h ago

When I see someone dangling a crucifix from their chest I am very much unlikely to trust the words from their mouths.