r/leanfire • u/PossessedCultist • 19h ago
Struggling to estimate yearly expenses to determine FIRE number
Overview
I am an extremely frugal person living in the southeast of the US with abnormally low expenses do to both my personality and living arrangements. Since my annual expenses are abnormal I am trying to determine the best approach to estimate how much I will need in retirement accounts to satisfy the 4% draw rate.
Which methodology would work best?
- Since expenses are so low use State averages? (30k - 40k for individual?)
- Use historical expenses from more than half a decade ago to make an estimate? (15k)
- Attempt to calculate current expenses by estimating living arrangement subsidies? (22K)
Background
Prior to 2020 I lived with multiple roommates to cut costs since my gross annual salary was low (~39k). However, since 2020/COVID I live with multiple relatives with a significantly higher salary (~96k). Even though I have a significantly higher income, I have not let life style creep influence my expenses. Back in 2019 my annual expenses was around 15k, but in 2025 it was 12k with the main reason for the difference is I am not paying rent since I am living with relatives. I imagine if I did it would probably be around 22k with roommates, but with inflation over the years it's hard to use the numbers to get a reasonable estimate. In the future I plan to live with either roommates, relatives, or a significant other to reduce costs as I don't have an interest to live alone.
Personality
A huge reason why my expenses are so low is do to my extreme frugality, remote work, and subsidized housing. I can count on one hand the number of times I have eaten out at a restaurant in the last 2 years. Since I have been remote since 2020 I rarely leave the house and spend 95% of my time at home. This has worked well for my situation as the relatives that own the house spend half the year travelling outside the country and appreciate someone being there to keep an eye on the property to fix issues as they arise. My car is from 2006 and has around 90k miles on it since I only drive around 5k miles each year. My main form of entertainment involves cheap video games. I cut my own hair and use a barber straight razor to shave. The only item I splurge on is my cat and generic diet cola. Regarding the diet cola, I bulk buy the syrup and fill up a 20lb CO2 canister annually.
2025 Income/Expense Breakout for reference
Gross Yearly: $103,658.62
Earnings: $96,115.24 (92.723% of Paystub)
Health Insurance: $1,292.20 (1.344% of Earnings)
Dental: $473.20 (36.620% of Health Insurance)
Medical: $819.00 (63.38% of Health Insurance)
Tax: $24,015.42 (24.986% of Earnings)
OASDI: $5,629.00 (23.439% of Tax)
Medicare: $1,308.84 (5.450% of Tax)
Federal: $13,036.14 (54.282% of Tax)
State: $4,041.44 (16.829% of Tax)
Tax Advantage Work Accounts: $27,157.26 (28.255% of Earnings)
Roth 401K: $23,067.72 (84.941% of Tax Advantage Work)
HSA: $4,089.54 (15.059% of Tax Advantage Work)
Take Home: $43,650.36 = $96,115.24 - $1,292.20 - $24,015.42 - $27,157.26 (45.415% of Earnings)
Employer Benefits: $7,543.38 (7.277% of Paystub)
401k Match: $2,883.66 (38.227% of Benefit)
401k Enhancement: $4,347.20 (57.630% of Benefit)
HSA ER: $312.52 (4.143% of Benefit)
Take Home Budget: $43,650.36
Expenses: $11,432.49 (26.191% of Budget)
Medical: $3,233.53 28.283% of expenses
Shopping: $1,992.20 17.426% of expenses
Food: $1,632.64 14.281% of expenses
Pets: $1,346.15 11.775% of expenses
Bill & Utilities: $1,275 11.152% of expenses
Auto Insurance Premium: $740 (Liability only) 6.473% of expenses
Gas: $972.22 8.504% of expenses
Other: $240.75 2.106% of expenses
Savings: $32,217.87 (73.809% of Budget)
IRA: 6,999.98 (21.727% of Savings)
Brokerage: 25,217.89 (78.273% of Savings)