why ENTPs are too complicated? I mean do we feel deeply but doesn't express (or we can't even name our feeling to ourselves), and we have too mach contradictories

Clarification: I am an entp I’m not on the wrong subreddit here

For context I don’t know a whole lot about mbti. I think it’s cool and at best an ok way to get an idea of what a person is like but depending on the person itself a lot of the quizzes out there are essentially self fallating tests.

I previously dated one INTJ and one INFJ and the INTJ was very into mbti and being a wonderful bestest girlfriend in the word I read into it a bit and found out more about “golden pairings” and whatnot which again I don’t believe in but it was interesting. The infj I know is an infj because a friend asked us all to do the tests for fun. I thought it was a nice relationship at the time but looking back it was the weirdest thing ever I’m glad I did it and learned what I want and do not want from it but 45/10 would never do it again.

Bear in mind I am currently at work so will be very slow to answer any questions (just procrastinating rn will get back to the lab in a moment) but I’ll do my best to get through them if I get any.

Do take the answers with a grain of salt. Again as I said before I do think to a very large extent the mbti test has potential to be self-fallating and given the personality of my ex he probably answered the questions with a fair bit of bias.

Anyways whatsupppppppp wassuuupppppppp what are you guys doinggggggg

1) We are actually "deep feelers" forced to become thinkers for the simple fact that we have enough computing brain power to realize that nobody really cares about how you feel. Because of that, we build defense mechanisms based on wit, dark humor, satire and sarcasm. We actually feel things very deeply, but we're much more comfortable experiencing those feelings alone instead of looking for someone to acknowledge them, because sadly there aren't many people capable of sharing the same depth or carrying the same emotional weight that some of us do...

2) ENTPs are carers. We don't really care about everyone we meet, but we tend to develop very deep attachments to certain people...the people we've decided to trust. ENTPs can be very deceptive in the sense that we often appear much more carefree, open and trusting than we actually are. Internally we're pragmatic, aware and rarely let our guard down. We share the same social skepticism often associated with INFJs, but we don't announce it. We prefer to observe and analyze people's true intentions before deciding whether to trust them or commit to them. It's hard to earn an ENTP's trust, but once you do, you'll usually have a loyal and loving person for life.

3) ENTPs are walking contradictions. We can be very sentimental but not emotional. We're extremely pragmatic and calculating but not cruel. We observe everything through logic and substance, yet we still take people's feelings into account. We tend to study you without you even realizing it, and often we'll know you better than you know yourself. We naturally notice patterns, inconsistencies and hidden motivation...

4) ENTPs are false-extroverts (like the concept of the False 9 in football/Soccer). Our Ne is driven by ideas, concepts and creation...not by social interaction. ENTPs rarely enjoy socializing for the sake of socializing; we simply tend to build great public facades. Many ENTPs have a rather dystopian view of humanity, but instead of openly expressing it, we communicate it through rebellious behavior, irony, satire and soft mockery...The same inverse concept can be applied to INFJs: INFJs are False-introverts since they value their internal world but still they crave that social plegmatic consideration and they revolve their same inner world based on what the exterior world feels...ENTPs seek creating, exploring intellectual concepts and absorbing knowledge...That's what the ENTP loves... Social media has also created a very distorted image of ENTPs. Because the type has become so sexualized online, there are many mistypes...everyone wants to be ENTP. People expect ENTPs to be loud, quirky, funny and constantly entertaining, when in reality many of us are quiet, composed and simply listening to our own thoughts...

5) Last but not least: ENTPs tend to have very high morals and integrity. We usually have strong personal values, but we only share them with people we've genuinely learned to trust. Just because we question everything doesn't mean we don't believe in anything. In fact, it's usually the opposite...we question everything because we want our beliefs and principles to withstand scrutiny rather than exist blindly...

I don't know if this is accepted here in this sub couse I'm not used to being here, please don't judge me!

So yeah i am an ESTJ that relies quite a lot on my Ne and can resemble an ENFP, i wanted to know if you guys relate to the following

\- I idealize friendgroups, "those people are so cool" i join them, after joining, battle for statuses or other problems arrive, even if it is good it is not AS good as i imagined it to be, i started to prepare myself to jump to the next boat

\- In parties i can't stay still, if im in a circle of conversation and it gets boring for 0.001 seconds i look to the circle next to me, imagine how much more fun the convo is there and jump to there, i disappear. i befriend new people without telling my OG friends, i suck at introducing friends from different groups together, but im aware that i dont actually suck, im just afraid they get along too well together

\- In college i often ignore details of subjects i am not fully understanding out of lazyness maybe? idk why, but i shouldve checked the things i didn't fully knew more, i thought i was learn sometime just watching classes, but i was wrong, (in case yall curious what it is specifically, it is Newton Binomial). This is not very Ne related, its more about Ni blindness, since dang it costed me in the long run. I studied so hard in july in june yet something i should've learned in march/april costed my grades

\- That's it, i am getting better at staying loyal to friendships and as we age friends seem to be more ok with you having other friends they don't know about

\- I am so good at befriending people and impressing them on short term like at a random day at a party, but i get awkward once i gotta wave to people everyday if we are living in the same enviroment

\- I just sabotaged myself so hard, i should've fucking cheked it until i learned anywayss, nothing is learned by osmosis

From what I gather, instead of knowing our authentic feeling, ENTPs process emotional situations through Ti logic and others’ moral/value (Fe).

Does it ever bother/frustrate you that you can’t know what you truly feel?

Maybe this is my Ti speaking, because I’m analyzing an emotional situation and I need this “authentic feeling” data but I don’t know how to access it so I’m kinda frustrated.

Am i (ENTP, ENFP, ENTJ, or INTJ?)

my Enneagram profile is sx7w6, tritype 783 or 784.

My core traits

• Logic & Integrity: I hold deep personal integrity and an unshakeable internal code. However, when it comes to dealing with feelings and emotions, I use strictly detached, objective logic to process them. [1]
• Goals & Structure: I am deeply goal-oriented and associate my self-worth entirely with achieving. I naturally track and follow external schedules to hit my goals. When I face failure, my internal response is to feel completely incompetent.
• Creativity & Depth: I have a strong romantic, melancholic side. I love poetry, introspection, and creative expression.
• Handling Stress: Under heavy pressure, I turn into one of two extremes. I either become hyper-goal-oriented and double down on execution, or I become highly paranoid that others are working against me.
• Adaptability: When a plan changes completely at the last minute, I do not get annoyed. Instead, I feel genuinely excited by the sudden shift in possibilities.

I’m rewatching the first iron man and gosh she’s so annoying. But then I’m not a man so not sure if I’m missing the point… Are my entp bros actually attracted to that kind of women?

(I’m not talking about the looks, just behaviour/personality etc)

This might be too niche of a thing to bring up, however I think some might relate.

Did you ever think you might be a psychopath/sociopath when you were growing up?

I had a huge struggle when I was growing up because I would constant deconstruct what I was “supposed” to feel about a situation, and just couldn’t feel that way. Any time I would feel any sort of shift in feeling, I would deconstruct it and just be left in my thoughts instead of my feelings.

I always felt kind of weird because I couldn’t just let myself feel like everyone else. I also couldn’t sympathize with people the way I should according to societal standards.

Especially as a woman this made me feel out of place and made me feel like something was wrong with me.

Did anyone else experience this struggle?

Others and i see myself as the person with the most energy in the room like always everywhere no matter if it’s 3 am or 3 pm.
I myself would describe myself as a bubbly personality who sometimes overshares or confuses people pretty much. Others and i would say i speak fast, get enthusiastic over small and big things, am in for every side quest, take life easy and almost treat it like a joke, always do random stuff, get enthusiastic pretty fast and am kinda bossy/assertive and hate losing. I’m slavic and have a crazy jawline, high cheekbones and ice blue eyes so i can look kinda bitchy and intimidating if you see me from afar or if i want to look that way.
I always thought i’m pretty much acting like an open book and am the opposite of nonchalant and mysterious but so many people say i’m actually really mysterious, even old friends, and that they know not much about me. I mean i’m a pretty mirroring personality but still i always tell people about how i, as an example, overcame a struggle or really embarrassing shit so i’m confused. Can someone explain what they see?

i like to ask these types of questions and debate about them, and also this is my first post

At my low points I wished people knew that I just didn't want to talk to them rather than appear unintelligent in conversation.

This of course is a question about unhealthy ENTPs that have faced low self esteem. I think that deep down it has something to do with poor Se, brain fog, lacking practical intelligence when Ne is suppressed.

I’ll name just one.

When I was in 3rd grade, in my music class whenever you looked at a window, (there was a new elevator build on top of it, like if you saw the window, you’d see an elevator flying up and down) I was fascinated by it, and would occasionally look at it in awe. One time, a teacher saw me looking at it and very lightly banged the table and said, “Don’t look at it” with an angry face. I told her, that I’m sorry; I was just fascinated by the elevator since it’s a new thing and I’ve never seen it before, the teacher looked at me again with an angry face, “Don’t do it again”. And for some reason, that made it harder not to look at it but I tried not to.

For a whole 12 minutes, I wasn’t looking at it and listing to class but I heard the elevator sound and it was just too fantastic of a sound to see it slide up and down like that. So, I decided to look for a second, 1 second. She’s not going to notice, if it’s one second. So, I slightly looked for a second at the elevator going down (I don’t know why, but I liked looking at it. It was right in front of me); the teacher must’ve of caught me cause she yelled out of my name in front of the whole class. And told me, just for that. While the whole class has free time in her class; she’s going to make me do work on my notes and said, if I do this again; she will call the principal on me.

Back then, I was scared. But looking back, the whole thing seems kind of funny for some reason. That’s one thing, I like about adulthood, you have more freedom to express yourself more as well or say what you want or have an opinion unless it’s not dangerous or hurting anyone of course. Do you have any moments like this too?

I took the 90-question Sakinorva test for the first time as I got suggestions of trying Cognitive Functions baser MBTI tests as they're comparatively more accurate and the paid tests are pretty costly, and my results are very confusing to me. Earlier, I used to rely on 16 Personalities and figured out how superficial that website is. Let's jump back to my Sakinorva results..... grant function type: ENTP second-best choice: INFJ third-best choice: ENFP fourth-best choice: INTJ fifth-best choice: ISTP sixth-best choice: INTP axis-based function type: ENTJ myers function type: ENTJ relativemyers letter type: INTJ Ne (extraverted intuition): 39.8 Ni (introverted intuition): 41.8 Se (extraverted sensing): 37 Si (introverted sensing): 27 Te (extraverted thinking): 39 Ti (introverted thinking): 43 Fe (extraverted feeling): 39 Fi (introverted feeling): 40 Because it is my first time testing here, I am having a lot of difficulty interpreting my ultimate MBTI type. I heard cognitive-based tests are more accurate, but these mixed signals have left me lost. I would be truly grateful if you could help me decode these results in the comments!

I want to start doing something, but I think that I need to do this, that, this, that, and then there’s this option, and then I need to take this into account, "do I have this?" and as a result, I don’t do anything...

how the fuck do I deal with this? I'm sick of it

Hello my brethren- I’ve been assigned a new roommate and I was wondering what questions you think I should ask him. Thanks in advance😂

Some people say that ENTPs can struggle with attachment-related issues, which is why building a deep and stable relationship with them is sometimes considered a rather complex task. But how accurate is that, really?

Personally, I find it difficult to believe that someone would willingly walk away after finally finding a place where they genuinely feel safe, understood and accepted. I don't think ENTPs are fundamentally any different. So what is it that actually prevents some of them from becoming deeply attached? Is it fear? Emotional immaturity? Past experiences? Or something else entirely? And does it tend to stay with them for life or is it something that can be worked through?

I'd especially love to hear from ENTPs who have already found answers to these questions within themselves. Those who eventually learned to understand their own patterns, overcame their attachment struggles and succeeded in building deep, meaningful and lasting relationships.

What was your journey like? What was really happening inside your mind back then? What changed? Was there a specific realization, experience or person that helped you grow?

Looking back now, what advice would you give to other ENTPs who may still be struggling with the same patterns? And what do you wish the people who cared about you had understood during that stage of your life?

I'm eager to hear your stories

I can recreate entire 360° spaces, where I've been once in real life, and move along them like on Google Maps in my head, but I can confuse people! I have a big trouble with people's faces! Because of this, I had a lot of silly incidents.

Once at university I tried to convince Professor A that he was Professor B аnd that he was supposed to teach our classes. These two professors were similar in build and color. I presented a whole line of arguments trying to convince him. He probably even began to convince himself that he was Professor B, but fortunately I realized my mistake in time.

I am currently a student who is doing an internship at a company. Recently, I saw a collage of one face on the wallpaper of a co-worker's work computer. My colleague asked if I knew this man. I said I had seen him somewhere. He clarified that we might have bumped into this man in the hallway. I confidently said that was probably true. After some time, I felt completely ashamed when I realized on my own that my colleague was the person on the computer wallpaper (I was studying the data of the employees of that corporation).

Another colleague from the checkpoint picks me up (It is forbidden to walk around the enterprise alone). I recognize him by his clothes. One time he was dressed entirely in white, and I didn't recognize him right away. I looked at his face for a few seconds until I was sure it was him. As a result, the whole department jokes about my poor memory for faces.

I confuse some people, then I remember their differences, independently creating an algorithm of who is who, but then I confuse new people.

Most likely, the problem is that during conversations I always look into space or at clothes, and faces are often blurry (better to say, covered in shadow) to me. Sometimes I look at half of the face. I'm not used to eye contact. When my mother found out about my poor memory for faces, she said she hoped I could at least remember her face after 19 years. She even tells me to deal with it somehow, because she's afraid that they might think I'm crazy lol. Actually, I've always been like this.

I would have made a terrible detective.

Does anyone of you wanna talk or argue? im tryna win a bet w myself that i can make sm online friends, and i asked in the intp sub, but, unfortunately noone was interested.

You guys are pretty cool, with your debates and shit, I'd love to have a conversation w one of you, also I've never met one of you irl.

I'm sorry if i offended you because i seem too selfish, but anyone wanna dm me?

(also forgive me if wrong tag)

I've known for a while that most of what I know about mbti has been from the micheal caloz test descriptors and AI which I dont trust.

If I want to go into deep about all mbti types,all functions and what they mean, different archetypes or whatever those analyst,diplomat,sentinel,etc things are and more about enneagrams.Which websites or research papers should I check out?

I am also interested in the science behind how these types are created and the reasons behind why a certain function exists more in certain people than others.

Also the difference between carl jungs cognitive types and the mbti and how they connect together.

Could someone be willing to give me different sources from where you got your deeper knowledge about this field?

This post got removed from the INFJ sub because the sub is run by bunch of anti science weak willed posers who prioritize conformity over seeking truth so I'll post it here as it relates to ENTPs . The reason was: "No targeted bias against types (typism) and promotion of gendered stereotypes." as if the whole MBTI theory isn't filled with stereotypes. Btw recent findings point to the fact that gendered stereotypes are actually highly accurate, if anyone is interested.

Anyway here it is:

This is a constant theme in both the INFJ and ENTP sub: the compatibility between these types, the cons and pros, the whats and ifs and where's and why's etc. so I'd thought I'd address it. My backround is social psychology and I've studied personality psychology too as a minor so that's where I'm coming from but the theory is mostly just my conjecture based on stereotypes. Feel free to disagree.

I've had this idea for a while that INFJs and ENTPs are both polarizing personality types but in a different way and that's why they both feel similar to each other but also different.

In this case what I mean by polarization is the contrast between masculine and feminine. I think most people would agree that there are people who are quite feminine and people who are quite masculine. Then a big portion of people have some sort of mix of both of these traits. But imo INFJs and ENTPs differ from most people in a way that they have the extreme versions of both feminine and masculine traits. I'm gonna list these traits but I'm not going to go into too much detail on why they are specifically masculine and feminine, but I can do that in another comment if someone wants a clarification.

The masculine trait in INFJs is conscientiousness. This means INFJs tend to be orderly, industrious, dutiful and sometimes also achievement striving. You can quickly notice a person like this in the way how they speak, how they dress and how they plan things/lack impulsivity. INFJs that I've known tend to dress modestly but also they have this sort of sartorial elegance which means they are careful in how they present themselves and have a good eye for style. They tend to be dutiful with their homework or work stuff and also have long terms plans. In short: INFJs value stability and predictability over impulsiveness.

The feminine trait in INFJs is warmth. It's related to Big 5 agreeableness which is essentially conflict avoidance. INFJs tend to be very nurturing and empathetic which is at odds with the typical high conscientious outlook that is usually associated with professions like the law or the military. You can notice this in the way INFJs ask questions, remember details about you or try to see your point of view. INFJs can also be characterized as people pleasers which goes well along with high agreeableness which women generally score higher on than men.

Usually these two as a combination is pretty obvious tell for me because these traits are so strong in INFJs that it's such a rare combination as they are the opposites. It's such an interesting combination for me when I see it in person that I tend to get mezmerized by it. It's not something I could expect at first glance.

ENTPs also have a strong feminine and masculine side but they are different than what INFJs have.

The feminine side for ENTPs is openness to change which is basically preference for individuality. It's the opposite of preference for predictability and conservatism. Women score higher for this trait than men generally. In short ENTPs like to question structures, norms and are also impulsive and seek out new experiences. Whereas a more male oriented outlook would be a preference for structure and predictability.

The masculine side for ENTPs is assertiveness/dominance. This is manifested as debating which ENTPs are most known for. It means ENTPs are very competetive. Dominance oriented behaviour is typical for males.

These two sides are quite strong in ENTPs the same as the masculine/feminine dichotomy is strong in INFJs. Funnily enough these sides are opposite to each other in these types.

For example ENTPs assertiveness/competiveness is at odds with INFJs warmth and care. ENTPs openness to change is also at odds with INFJs conscientiousness as INFJs are planners and prefer stability.

In an ideal situation these two types can support and counterbalance each other because ENTPs also need stability and empathy and INFJs need assertiveness and the push to step out of their comfort zones. I think the end result of all these differences and polarities is why these types are drawn to each other.

As a kid, I was constantly moving. I cycled almost every day from elementary school through junior high.

During high school, I also went through three years of semi-military training, so physical activity and discipline were just part of my life.

In college I wasn’t as active anymore, but I still went to the gym.

Then I completely stopped exercising for years. Now, somehow, I’m back, and I’ve become absolutely unhinged.

I’m obsessed with tennis and padel. I don’t just play; I analyze technique, biomechanics, movement efficiency, strategy, racket specs, tendon adaptation, motor learning… I can spend hours reading or watching videos, then immediately test everything on court. It made me wonder if this actually fits the ENTP cognitive stack.

My guess:

Ne constantly experiments with new techniques, strategies, and asks, “What happens if I do it this way?”

Ti wants to understand why a movement works instead of just copying it.

Fe enjoys the social aspect of sports, meeting people, rallying, and sharing the experience.

Even inferior Si seems to enjoy building muscle memory and refining technique through repetition, once I’ve become fascinated by the skill.

So instead of debating philosophy or building startups, my brain has decided to treat sports like one giant engineering experiment.

Anyone else? Am I the only ENTP who accidentally turned athletics into a lifelong hyperfixation?