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I’ve been looking at buying a very clean, full cut pair of jeans, and decided on these from Momotaro. I also have a formality standard at work, and the regularity of the denim was appealing. In the pictures, the new pants are with the blue shirt, the altered pants are with the orange.

Separately, it was my first time ordering from Blue Owl, and I also found their measurements to be really excellent, way different than from Momo’s actual store. It was their denim search tool that led me to these in the first place, as I like a 12” rise on a 30-31” waist, which eliminates a lot of “high rise” denim. For reference, I am 5’10” 145lbs.

Out of the box, it looks very slick. Little weft shows, and the indigo is dyed very evenly. It also was very smooth. There is no twist in the leg, and it falls symmetrically on the leg. The stitching seems quite even to my eye, and the indigo patch really adds to the styling of these pants as dressy as jeans can be.

The measurements for a new size 30 were as follows:

Waist - 31.1
Front rise - 12.1
Thigh - 11.9
Knee - 9.5
Hem - 8.7
Inseam - 34.3

I then did a hot cycle in the washer with no soap. I do this as I have found soaking does not remove all the vertical shrink vs a wash cycle in a machine, which is how I prefer to clean my pants. I also did not want to end up with too short pants after a hem, a mistake I have made before. The color remained nearly identical but the texture became a bit hairier. It did not add any twist.

The post wash measurements:

Waist - 31.0 (it was 30.6 fresh out the wash, but stretched after one wear)
Front rise - 11.8
Thigh - 11.7
Knee - 9.5
Hem - 8.5
Inseam - 33.1
Inseam (after hem) - 32.0

I am satisfied with how it turned out. The hot wash settling the waist at 31” works well, as if it stretched past that it might be too big. It also helped with the diaper ass. I am a fan of the style, and the pants do fill the niche I intended them to.

As a final note, I am confident I won’t be buying any wider. I try to stay somewhat cognizant of how heritage wear and selvedge denim appear to people who don’t share our interest, and these pants exist on the border between style and costume. You can find other posts where people grapple with that tension when trying out these jeans. With all clothes, consideration has to be made towards what matches, but with these, there are definitely other articles of clothing I now see that I can’t wear together or it would look too conspicuous for the style I’m trying to present. For anybody who prefers to dress uniquely but not ostentatiously, that would the only consideration I’d have before buying.

I'm more of a boot nerd but I've been becoming a bit of a denim head the passed couple years. I wore these die hard double knees in 14.5 oz shogun stretch from Brave Star Selvedge from October to April non-stop then they had a little sebatical while I tried to make the time to patch them up, which I did last weekend. Glad to be back in them. They're so comfortable. Fades are great. Definitely one of my favorite pairs of pants ever. Anyways, heres a bunch of pictures from present day going in reverse.

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Its only about 25$, just wondering on how this holds up in the long run, but its a pretty good option in the southeast asia area.

2 soaks and 2 machine washes on these bad boys

Wanted to post these on here because i don’t see this fabric and cut on this sub too often.

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Hi everyone I need some help, I bought these for 666s 21/23 extra heavy weight denim from iron heart since I heard they’re not bring it back anymore(unsure if this is true).

I saw someone post the same pants on this thread and someone in the comments said that they’re supposed to pre soak them before wearing them, is this true?. I’m only asking because I don’t want to mess up the pants which I know it’s hard to do but still I don’t wanna waste 400 dollars. Also I can’t button up the button fly it’s so hard, any tips on how to button it up easier.

Picked these up back in November and have been running them raw since, no soaks, no spot cleaning, just regular wear. Summer means I’ve been able to get a lot more flex time in them lately, sitting, biking, the usual.

I’m noticing some pretty solid whiskering and honeycombs forming at the knees already, fading is coming in faster than I expected. I’m torn on timing for the first wash. Part of me wants to let it develop another month or so since summer wear should speed up contrast even more, but I’m also a bit wary of ending up with that super high contrast “Japan/Indonesia style” look, I’d rather keep things on the softer, more gradual side.

Planning to hand wash in a tub with cold water if/when I do it, no machine, no dryer, just rolled in a towel after and hung to dry flat. Curious what this community thinks: is it better to lock things in now with a wash, or let another month of summer wear deepen the creases first? Photos of the whiskering below.

Any tips on tub soak duration or detergent choice for a first wash are also welcome.

This was my first pair of raw denims jeans. Owned for 10 plus years. Worn for 1-2 years. Had it tailored at self edge (Portland) to fit me better.

One of my go to pairs now.

Hi everyone,
I recently snagged a pair of Fullcount 0105XX! Everything fits perfectly in the waist and legs, but I’m struggling with the silhouette. Specifically, I’m not happy with how the seat area is fitting. It just doesn't feel flattering on me.
I already tried one warm soak, but unfortunately, I mostly just lost length, and it didn't do much for the fit in the butt.

I’m looking for some advice

**Will the fit change?** Is this something that settles down with more wear, or is the cut just not suited for me?

**Is tailoring the answer?** If the fit is "off," is this a relatively easy fix for a denim-specialist tailor?

**Shrinkage concerns:** I’m now nervous about giving them another warm soak or even a regular wash because I don’t want to lose any more length. Can I expect significant further shrinkage after that first warm soak, or has the majority of it already happened?

I really want these to work out, so I appreciate any tips you can share! Thanks in advance.

My first pair of raw denim. I’ve had these since December 2022 with an unknown number of washes.

I never liked the low rise. My shirts were constantly coming untucked, and they felt a little too tight in the crotch.

I also learned the hard way not to put raw denim in the dryer! They ended up with streak marks. Lesson learned.

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Just got these beauty straight from Japan, and I just cannot help glazing them.

I got a true size W36, and it fits perfectly. I must be honest, I have got a lot of jeans, but Samurais never disappoint, still in awe right now.

The fabric is, I think the word "superb" is not even close to describe the pair. These are absolutely perfect (not for summer though, but at least they are wide-leg so much more breathable) and I am not even biased. I think these are the widest cut they have as well so I am pretty happy with them.

The details are so clean as well. All the custom hardwares, the big ass silver selvedge id, not even a single misaligned stitch or excess fabric... love those! The only problem is it comes in 19oz, so they hurt a bit, especially when I try to use them buttonfly.

Bought these from Denimio unwashed. Im 6'3" 250lbs and usually wear a 38 in samurai but the size chart indicated id need to size up x2. Never wore anything heavier than 20 oz so am pretty excited. It arrived in 4 days from ordering. The waist is about an inch from what I want so I soaked them for an hour in the hottest water my bath would produce whilst agitating every 15 min. Rolled them in a towel and pressed then let them air dry in my guest room over night. Fit much better. Love the deep indigo color and all of samurai details. These seem to sit low unlike my other pair of samurai but its not an issue. They really dont feel like 25 oz. Anybody else have these?

Just got this new/used Freewheelers jacket which I paired with my new Full Count WW2s. Really love how good they both fits. Boots are from Unsung House and tee is from Merz B. Schwanen.

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Fit checks and "Help me find a pair of Jeans that has X, Y, and Z" questions are a great use of this thread.

(Help figuring out what size you wear is also permitted here but it is recommended you check out one of these tutorials on how to size before asking.)

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If you have questions about how your jeans fit, about a particular fabric, when is this jean coming out, where can I find jean X to try on in state Y, what jeans have this fit with these measurements, what jeans fade the fastest, and what jeans fade the slowest are great uses of this DQ thread.

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Think I just found my bridge pair. Recently became obsessed with what I can only really describe as the deeply americana fades I’ve been seeing out of Mister Freedom. They feel so pure and real. I’ve always been such a heavy denim guy but I just needed to stop by the store and check these out for myself. I was having the worst day imaginable and then walked out of the store with these in a paper bag and it turned everything around- further proof that denim heals most things. About to take these to get hemmed and then i’ll throw up some fit pics.

Fit check for my first pair of heavyweight denim. 15oz was my heaviest prior to these. I initially bought these a size too small and had to size up.

I’m really happy with these and looking forward to the journey.

I think they pair nice with this pair of Red Wing 9111’s I got on Grailed for 50 bucks! Absolute steal.

Anyone else rock Brave Star 21.5 ouncers? I have heard they break in fade decently quick.

🧢 Dehen1920 Waxed Canvas
👕Time Catcher Tubular Tee
🥋Brave Star Veg Tan
👖Brave Star 21.5oz Dark Gauntlet True Straight
👟Red Wing 9111 Copper Rough and Tough

I'm retiring (for now) my favorite article of clothing I've ever owned, the Levi's 501 Shrink to Fit. I got these in early December 2024 and wore them for probably 65% of the days since.

I purchased them on sale for $50 at a levi's outlet. I normally wear a size 33x30 and went true to size, purchasing a 33x32. I at first did not wash for 2-3 months but then settled into a normal washing cycle, washing every 2-4 weeks thereafter.

These pants really softened up over time at the faded spots but stayed crisp at the spots which didn't get touched much, down at the shins. This was my first pair of raw denim and to be honest I don't think anyone needs a different pair of jeans than these, they are perfect and punch above their weight for the cost. I purchased a pair of Iron Heart 633S in the 21oz a year later and have worn those considerably but ultimately do not think they are worth the cost and added difficulty in wearing due to their weight. I've purchased a pair of Orslow 105s which will be arriving soon as i've heard great things about their jeans and have their fatigue pants which I love.

These 501s have finally blown out in the crotch and as I've gotten into lifting over the past few months my thighs and waist have grown and they are getting a little too tight for me now. I am going to keep them and if/when I slim back down I'll see about getting the blow out repaired so I can give them a second life. But for now they are going in the closet to wait for that day.

Buying a pair of jeans for $50 and having them mold to your body and fade according to your lifestyle has been a super cool experience. I love that the color on these jeans is fully from me. I love how they've stretched in the spots according to as my body is shaped and needs. I love the phone fade in the back pocket from where I put my work phone, I love how the pocket on the right side is falling apart because I'm right handed and keep my regular phone and airpods in there. I love how the left knee is faded slightly more than the right because when I kneel down to look at things I unconsciously kneel on my left knee.

I've lived a lot of life in these jeans - I met a girl and fell in love and had my heart broken while wearing these. I've gotten laid off at work and failed interview after interview, only to land a dream job which I love and have been excelling at in these jeans. I've lost and gained friends, had difficulties and reconciliations with family, and travelled the world with these jeans. Like the wrinkles appearing next to my eyes from where I smile, these jeans and their aging are beautiful and uniquely mine. For anyone with an interest in clothing or jeans, I truly cannot recommend a single article of clothing more than I recommend these.

Hey everyone, I recently fell down the Japanese denim rabbit hole and had to see what the Oni hype was all about.

Pulled the trigger on these 200ZR secret denim olive weft a couple of months ago. I needed a wider leg - partially because I love the silhouette, but also out of practicality since I have a prosthetic leg and need the extra knee room.

For a wide leg, the seat and top block are quite nice and fitted whilst being comfy with room to move. I was worried they would come out saggy, as previously I tried Tuff Tony’s by Nudie and it was not flattering on me.
I was also looking at the Oni 222 cut, but not sure if that is a tad too wide - does anyone have both, and if so, what has your experience been?

The texture on this 20oz fabric is absolutely insane! Kept hearing about the secret denim feeling like sweatpants, and now that they’re settling, I’m a doubter turned believer haha. It almost feels like a terry sweatpant, and it's nice and hairy. On top of that, the colour is very interesting - each day I wear them, a little more of the green comes out.

Whilst researching my purchase, I was always trawling through Reddit for size references, so to help future buyers: I’m a general Levi’s 32 and bought these in a 33, but reckon I could’ve stayed TTS as the secret denim is quite stretchy and loose. TTS is safe if you don’t mind a bit of break-in, otherwise one up if you want comfort right from the gate. I’m 183cm 83kg.

Anyway, how’s the fit looking?