I know my life would be better without it. But it's just one dose in the evening after work, and honestly it's become the highlight of my day - it helps me switch from "work mode" into "chill mode." I'm at 7g/day.

Every morning I struggle to wake up, and I know I'd feel better with healthier habits. But somehow I take it again anyway.

I think the truth is: I don't want it that badly. But I also don't want to feel miserable enough that quitting becomes urgent. Basically - without real suffering, my motivation to stop stays low. Anyone else been in this spot?

I've read the horror stories about people quitting from 20g+, but since I can't feel that pain myself, it doesn't translate into motivation. How did you get past this stage - the "comfortable enough to keep going" phase - before things got worse?

I can stop for like 10 days have been m longest. Withdrawal symptoms sucked but were totally manageable. Sleep and RLS were the things annoyed me the most and pregabalin low dose before bed helps there.

I didn't take it before work last night at 8pm and I've been doing that for 6 years, and I didn't take it when I got home at 6am and I've been doing that for 6 years, too. I'm quitting, but man. Working nights and trying to sleep in the day has been pretty rough already for the past 5 years for me and never really got much better. So having my leg nerves all fire off and tingle and knees incredibly hot... It's just a bad time.

I see the typical time frame for this uncomfort is usually a few days. What's other people's experience with RLS and quitting?

Today is 5 weeks in to living without kratom after several attempts and relapses this year. I started taking Vyvanse 5 weeks ago (diagnosed ADHD) as a last ditch effort to get off the stuff and guys… it’s working. I’m still cautiously optimistic, I know I’m not out of the woods yet but this time feels so much different. I haven’t had a single craving since starting this medication. Not one. I was worried I would want to abuse this med in its place but that hasn’t been an issue at all. I knew I was using kratom to manage dopamine but I had no idea how much my unmanaged ADHD was ruining my life. I’ve also significantly cut back on weed which is something I thought I’d never be able to say. I hope that there is a way I can thrive without stimulants in the future, but for now I’m just grateful to be able to exist without obsessing over my next dose. Have a great day y’all and NEVER QUIT QUITTING!

I’ve been a Kratom user since 2020.. started off a cup or 2 a day.. then quickly turned into a full blown addiction.. it was an amazing tool.. I’ve been managing chronic pain since I was 15 from a very rare syndrome.. I thought it was so much better than the crap the doctors were giving me, I.E “loratabs”.. it’s natural least right… well about 2 years ago a gas station clerk was like “hey try this instead”.. you know the story.. well here I am.. with a 5 month beautiful girl and a perfect wife.. and I’m in a never ending cycle.. I never reached high numbers that I’ve read on here.. but still about 100- 120 mgs a day..

here’s how I quit.. I sort of tapered and used powder during the taper.. it really didn’t help the wd for me personally.. I took a week off of work.. told my wife what I was about to go through and she supported me whole heartedly.. the first week was absolutely horrific.. I took everything mentioned here.. gaba, clonidine, vit c everything… I didn’t sleep for 8 nights.. nothing helped.. I called quick md and got s… but I knew I was not going to be hooked on that crap for a long time.. first day I took 2 mgs.. next day 1, next day .5.. and then nothing.. I don’t know if it helped or prolonged the process..

my advice: there’s a reason you are going through wd’s.. there is no free rollercoaster ride in life… I will never forget writhing in pain on the floor at nights.. and having to care for my daughter during the day.. a walking zombie.. ashamed to look in the mirror.. ashamed to look at the woman I love… wds are a reminder to never look back..

ill leave you with this… today will never be so bad that tomorrow can’t fix it.. that was my mantra on those sleepless nights where I was praying for relief.. relief eventually comes.. wd’s are the price you pay for the rollercoaster ride you’ve been on... only forward never backwards baby!!! much love

Knowing the ban is coming (and yeah I wish I never started them) I planned to switch to only powder. I was expecting bad withdrawals that weren't really fixed by kratom based on what I've read about the drugs. The opposite is true for me. I am taking almost no kratom. As little as 3.6 grams, and it's fighting off 22.5mg dosages of 7-Oh withdrawals. I think it's because my body has no regular kratom tolerance at this point. So it'll get you off the 7-oh with a few days or weeks, then easily get off the kratom since your tolerance will be bottom. As long as you stay strong and don't up the powder dose. Hold strong. We can do it.

I have tried quitting Kratom over the course of a year and failed every single time. It started off with the OPMS extracts, then like the idiot I am it ended horribly with a full dependency on 7OH. I tried quitting so many times I even took weeks off work this year and I always ended up back on 70H. The withdrawals are the worst thing I’ve ever experienced aside from being cheated on. I never knew withdrawals. Were that bad. I tried to endure I couldn’t sleep. I couldn’t eat. I was physically hot and cold at the same time. It doesn’t make sense and I couldn’t stop sweating. And overwhelming depression and burden was on me every second of every day and there was no relief. I even got a prescription to hop on some SUBs to help me quit and to be honest the withdrawals were so bad. I didn’t even bother continuing the subs. I kept raising my dose, but my doctor was adamant that I don’t but the withdrawals I couldn’t endure…. Now I have a large supply of the magical supplement that starts with the letter S. I’ve been taking 500 mg every single day.. today is the first day I begin tapering my dose. I have to quit now or else I will ruin my life. My daily intake of 70H was 2000 mg. Today I only took 1000 mg and 500mg of the magical supplement. I am using the 7OH tapering calculator.. tomorrow I will lower it from 1000 mg to 500mg. 70H is now being banned in NYC so I won’t be able to get any more after this month. I need to start taping now or else I will suffer from those horrible withdrawals again. Please hold me accountable. I am posting this publicly. I will quit. in Jesus name, I WILL QUIT!!!!

Ok so here I am 5 days before my 40th birthday acting like a damn fool having to taper off a 7oh habit that did me really good for a year when I really needed but now does not serve me. I was always aware of not going ape shit on my doses and kept it at 30mg tabs totally between 180mg to 210mg. I’ve started the taper for the past three days of which I am very proud and keeping myself down to 90 mg today will be my 60mg. I’ve been supplementing with a single zana chill in the mornings. Haven’t slept for 3 nights and it’s ridiculous. I want to be off completely by my 40th on the 28th and have a package of s r landing tomorrow when this last bottle of 7 is gone. Hoping I can hold tight for a few more nights and get this over with. All I want is to be done. I want to be done and heading toward healing for my 40th. I’ve kicked alcohol crack and h in the past. This one feels so weird compared to those. Almost more mental which in a way makes it more draining. Wish me luck.

This is a weird post for me to make. I had been on Kra for over 10 years, probably 30-40gpd roughly and always told myself that Id be taking it for the rest of my life. I really thought that I started it to relax and to sleep well, and I couldn’t without it. Im realizing now that I think I was causing myself more issues and fixing none of them.

The first couple weeks were really rough. Edibles were the only thing to help me get some sleep, but I’ve never really been a fan. I quit them after the second week because I was tired of using something to sleep like I had been for years. I figured I would just end up back in a similar position so I decided to tough it out. It was not easy getting used to my nighttime routine without anything other than melatonin and magnesium glycinate.

I feel like I am finally getting back to being myself. I cannot remember the last time I slept this good. I am literally falling asleep within 10 minutes of laying down and having insane dreams. It’s been so refreshing, I feel like I could cry when I wake up and realize I didn’t toss and turn all night. I’m excited for the days again and everything feels better. I realize now I was spending most of my days thinking about when I was going to first dose. I’m less irritable and anxious. I want to go and do things instead of rotting at home.

I do still think about it sometimes, but I realize now that there weren’t any benefits that I can remember. I never imagined being in this spot. I wish everyone the best of luck, I can’t recommend it enough.

I’m clean from Kratom for a little over one week now. But my motivation and discipline is through the floor right now. How do u guys manage with this and how do I make it better.

I just don’t want to feel so exhausted all the time. Im also hoping that this tiredness I feel goes away little by little either it by working everyday or going outside in the weekends.

Again, how do you guy handle this problem ?

Just a vent. Maybe geared towards people contemplating jumping/quitting but hesitant because of xyz.

I’m on day 6 or 7 (who knows) and it sucks and yes I can’t sleep without trazadone (I’m at rehab, so I’m allowed, suggit). I’ve cried everyday and I’m uncomfortable and withdrawal blah blah blah.

But I’m noticing something else. There’s a sort of…mental lift? Of submitting to this uncomfortable feeling and knowing that the months and months of hesitation for fear of w/d or whatever, is over. I’m right in the middle of the worst of it all and somehow, I feel some gratitude that I made a good choice for myself. I’m SO fucking uncomfortable (especially at night), but I’m feeling STRONG alongside feeling miserable.

Both can exist at the same time, and I hope maybe I can help someone else say fuck it and just submit to the uncomfortable for a better August.

Question for everyone tapering….i seem to have a pretty easy time the first 2 days of a drop but the 3-5 day, I can for sure feel it and sleep is kind of crappy. Is this normal? Is it going to get worse further down I go? I’m just trying to mentally prepare for each drop if so. Started at 22 grams and down to 16.5 grams per day. Thank you for your feedback!

What should I do? I take about 40gpd right now. Basically have for almost 10 years. Im so sick of this shit. I hate everything about it yet I compulsively do it. Ive never been able to stick to a taper but my wife said she'd count them out for me. Im just so ready to be done but at the same time I procrastinate all the time. I cold turkeyd 7oh several months ago but I took kratom to help. This time I feel like there's nothing to fall back on. Ive had some sort of crutch my entire life. Should I just jump off and see how bad it is? One of the only things that's kept me doing it is the sex. Without kratom it just doesn't last for shit. Seems like a stupid reason but that really worries me. Any advice is appreciated.

I lost my mom today unexpectedly and it was a bit traumatic. I’m going to struggle these next few days maintaining my taper.

Not gonna sit here and ask people to feel sorry for me. I lost most of my friends doing h not even because I was wildly out of control. Because I was in a sad state and didn't want to be seen that way. It's been like ten years since I had my regular group of friends, I later started taking kratom and lost whatever was left.

It is a great time to soul search and do self improvement which I am. But let's be honest being lonely sucks, it is not fun. I try to remind myself that I had no friends just last year and it didn't bother me because I was numb and tuned out.

(8 months sober)

I’m day 4 after using 7oh for about a year. No idea how much I was even using toward the end. I quit ct 4 days ago and it’s been the most miserable thing I’ve dealt with in my life. I can’t get comfortable enough to relax, I haven’t slept more than s couple hours since I started. I’m always so cold but yet drenched in sweat and have tk change and shower often. The temperature abd the no sleep are the hardest of my symptoms. Does anyone have any suggestions at all??? I bought a heating pad today abd am under lkke 6 heavy blankets but of course i jist sweat faster so its nice for about 15 minutes and then I have to change. I don’t want to give up but it’s so hard. My boyfriend quit tje same time but he had a helper from his doctor. I had no idea how hard this would be but I don’t want to restart

To be simple, a key principle and mentality to live by from day one of sobriety to eternity is the idea of remaining vigilant about your past addiction instead of claiming victory over it. Now when I say “vigilant” I don’t mean obsessively scared or worried. I just mean having all of your safe guards, and emergency failsafes (figuratively speaking of course) in place when the cravings may arise or the going gets tough. You see when you don’t have these in place you feel like one time usage is ok or that it will never be as bad as it was.

If you are wise and committed-everyone’s journey is different-you would have spent these last seven months as I have rewiring your mind and behaviors to live a healthy sober life because truth is a post kratom (7OH for some) life requires work. To list some things this may include: refreshed spirituality, enhanced social life, better thought processes, healthier habits, and even a sound diet. Addiction was once our life-every aspect of our lives, so you have to fill in the gaps.

To explain the failsafes in my life.

-Cravings are often linked with moments of depression or of failure in my life. It’s important that you diagnose what those feelings are, so that you can understand why you are having them, and realize the answer to them is not usage.

-When I feel tired I used to find kratom to give me the ease and the kick I needed-now these moments where I feel tired and weary I understand that the solution is to prioritize sleep by every mean necessary whether that is cancelling plans with someone or moving my schedule around.

I can explain more and more deeply, but the whole point is to be in-tune with yourself, and know that kratom will not fix your issues and it is not sustainable. There are medical, spiritual, physical, and philosophical ways to aide your recovery and lead you in the sober direction you aim to be in. Please remember that it’s not always going to be easy, but even with the small turmoil you may face temporarily, in the long run you have better health, finances, strength, and spirituality.

I’ve been like this for a very long time now.

I like the idea of not being dependent on kratom but I just can’t seem to move forward.

A big part of it is WD. It doesn’t matter how much I may have pumped myself up mentally the night before. When I wake up I’m immediately hit with anxiety, depression and the beginnings of RLS.

Then I dose.

Afterwards my resolve fades away. I think this is part of the effect of kratom…..feeling like everything is OK when it really isn’t.

Trying to maintain that motivation to quit while still using is like telling myself not to act drunk after drinking a 12 pack. It just isn’t possible.

Just curious if anyone else feels the same way I do, or maybe USED to feel that way but found a way out.

It’s been 25 days free from Kratom. 11-12 years of daily use. 25-40+g (depending on the day)
Withdrawal was relatively easy-ish. The restless legs and lack of sleep were the worst. I still get restless legs every once in awhile.
I keep waiting for this epiphany to happen. I had this assumption that all my health issues would disappear. They didn’t. I’m relatively the same physically being away from it as I was while I was taking it … or so I thought. I kept thinking “clearly it has not affected my health that much.”
I think it’s still early for me. I do have cravings from time to time. Some things I have noticed:
I don’t get sick to my stomach all the time.
I’m not peeing every five seconds.
I am learning what it means to not rely on substances.

I expect my sleep to improve. I expect my liver function to improve, but the reality is that it’s still early.
I had this idea that once I quit, I would become this organized, type A person that I used to be before trauma. I wouldn’t have any depression at all. I would be motivated all the time and my sleep schedule would improve.
I’m realizing that I will never be who I was before trauma, and I think Kratom hurts our bodies in ways we don’t always see. I might not see benefits for years down the road.
Eleven years is a long time.

I never thought I would be here. I didn’t want to be here at first. Despite feeling like nothing has changed, I have learned that I am mentally stronger than I gave myself credit for. I have had moments in the past 25 days where I wondered if it was worth it, If not much has changed. If you are in that spot as well, just know that it is worth me.

I promise.

Hey all,

So I have always had a very addictive personality so always was very wary of trying anything new, especially drug related, refused to ever try cocaine etc. Kratom slipped through the cracks about 8 years ago, a friend introduced it to me and I thought it was great and harmless. I always had a 3 days on 1 day off vibe and always consumed it after work. Was in a relationship so only did it on weekend evenings with her.

We split up (thought she was the woman I was going to marry) and I lost my dream job due to mass lay offs in a 3 month span of each other. Had nothing to do at home except work out, play video game games do kratom. Been a daily user for about 3 years now and I start at 4/5pm after work and stop around 10pm when I go to sleep. My tolerance has me up to 28/35 grams a day (of just pure leaf powder) Its not good, my skin on my face is discolored, splotchy and have dark circles around my eyes, I desperately need to quit. Issue is im very emotionally addicted to it as its become a nightly ritual with me. Ive been trying to taper, but keep saying, oh I'll do it tomorrow and I just never do. Been going through this process since July 1st.

What am I in for in terms of withdrawal and what substances can I replace the Kratom with? I do not want to go down the Suboxone route because I dont want to replace like product with like product, and I heard suboxone withdrawal is even worse than opioid withdrawal?

Lastly, and vainly most importantly when can I expect my skin to revert back to normal?

Thank you for taking time to read this

I'm on week 4. Sunday will be a month.

Overall, feeling pretty good. Doing my best to keep active & keep my mind busy, which is a necessity.

Still getting maybe 1-2 stints of restlessness or an occasional intense sweat, but I'm almost feeling like myself again.

I’ve been using gummies with 25 mg CBN with 2.5 mg thc to help with WDs. The low dose of thc helps boost the CBN and give an entourage effect, especially when adding cbd. I’m a weed nerd and have made many concentrates and edibles years ago so it’s nice knowing that all that knowledge actually has really saved me these last few days. I recommend others try using the more sedative/anxiolytic cannabinoids to help with WD if you’re into weed at all.

I only ever got into kratom as an alternative to the doctors painkillers due to serious back problems, which has warranted many surgeries. I never even liked the kratom tbh but just got physically hooked on it. Nowhere near as bad as real opiate WDs tho so I’m not trippin too hard but the CBN helps with the RLS and anxiety for sure

Hey guys I take 10-15g of reg kratom(not 7oh) daily I want to start vyvanse and I know mixing them is usually okay but what do you guys think about me tapering off kratom while taking the vyvanse? Has anyone done this before? And I would be taking very very low doses of kratom while on vyvanse. Usually lowering my dose doesn’t really affect me much let me know your guys opinions thanks!