Police Report Jinshui District Public Security Bureau, July 22, 2026, 09:09, Henan Province

At approximately 21:00 on June 19, 2026, a fire broke out at the Hongda International Automotive Plaza, resulting in 2 deaths, 2 injuries, and property damage.

It has now been determined that the fire was arson committed by Lu, a suspect in a business dispute. The suspect has been arrested on suspicion of arson, and the case is under further investigation.

Jinshui Branch of Zhengzhou Public Security Bureau, July 22, 2026

With the whole church getting engulfed in flames and the shooter shooting inside with around 150 people inside at the time It's a miracle only 4 people died

The Wikipedia article says that 30 people were killed and 58 others were injured in the shootings Jakrapanth Thomma was a trained Thai soldier and at some point during the standoff at the mall the security forces decided to storm it to get to Jakrapanth but he ended up killing two police officers and one solider and injuring three more security personnel was it some sort of ambush that happened or a prolonged firefight that resulted in the deaths of the three security personnel?

For some context into my question, I'm a hobbyist researcher who is currently conducting a personal research project in American death penalty cases. The case that I'm inquiring about here is that of David Esco Welch, who was initially sentenced to death by the state of California for a 1986 mass shooting that killed six people inside an Oakland home. The slain victims consisted of his teenage ex-girlfriend, two of her brothers and her toddler daughter, and a mother and toddler aged son pair of house guests.

Although I currently cannot find any sources announcing a sentence vacating, Welch has disappeared from CDCR's condemned prisoners roster. He also seems completely missing from CDCR records as a whole. From my searches in the CDCR inmate search database, there is a prisoner by the name of David Welch of a relatively similar age with a parole suitability hearing of September 2029. But that David Welch's admission date is listed as Aug 28, 2003, is interned from Sacramento county instead of Alameda, and has the middle name of "Carol" instead of "Esco", and thus they might be entirely different individuals.

If he were among the many other Alameda County's former death row inmates (like Ernest Dykes, Curtis Ervin, and Mark Schmeck) released under the direction of then Alameda County district attorney Pamela Price, I would think that the parole of a prisoner that killed two toddlers and four other people would receive some considerable media coverage, and there is currently no sources mentioning that at all. Indeed, the last article I was able to find of Welch on google searches was a 2021 Mercery News article about Bay Area mass shootings, which claimed that he was still on death row.

The Death Penalty Information Center's census database claims that he died on death row, but he isn't among the 201 deceased death row inmates listed on the Condemned Inmates Who Have Died Since 1978 list on CDCR's website. To repeat myself a bit here, I've also have yet to find any outlets announcing his passing.

What transpired of him after his disappearance from CDCR's records? I'm currently at a complete dead end with researching Welch's whereabouts, and would greatly appreciate any help.

Sources on Welch:

1.https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-supreme-court/1705414.html

2.https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/12/09/The-massacre-of-six-people-including-two-children-was/9233534488400/

3.https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Mass-murderer-David-Moochie-Welch-s-death-6342985.php

(Primarily inspired by Moondog's write-ups. The idea came to me earlier this month when Street View updated its data with 2025 imagery, allowing me to geolocate the last murder scene and complete the chronology using news reports).

On January 1st 2025, 45-year-old Aleksandar (‘Aco’) Martinović spent his afternoon drinking with his family and friends in the Velestovo tavern, a bar located on the 13th November street in Cetinje, less than 300 meters from the site of the 2022 mass shooting that left eleven people dead. The atmosphere was described as relaxed and ordinary. A video that was taken at the tavern about twenty minutes up to an hour before the attack shows the party singing and laughing at a shared table next to the bar counter. Aco Martinović could also be seen laughing with a black jacket on by their side.

At an undetermined time around 5 p.m., a trivial argument erupted within the group over which Orthodox community was entitled to light the Christmas tree in front of the Cetinje Monastery for January 6. The argument further escalated after a heated verbal confrontation between Martinović and the bar owner Mirko Vuletić, a close friend and his sister’s brother-in-law, who reprimanded his opinion saying that he wouldn't know better since he wasn't married and had no family, and that it made him “probably gay after all.” The party generally approved of this comment and laughed it off.

Seriously offended by these remarks, Martinović burst out in anger and was forcibly removed by one of the attendees. He slammed out of the café at around 5:09 p.m. and drove to his late uncle’s house, located in the vicinity of his family residence in the village of Bajice, where he retrieved a 9mm handgun, multiple magazines, and over a hundred rounds of ammunition that were hidden in the stove of the living room, scattering several items on the ground in the process.

He returned to the bar at 5:20 and immediately opened fire on his friends’ table from the doorway, killing 44-year-old Mirko Vuletić, 39-year-old Miloš Martinović, 60-year-old Branislav Mudreša, 70-year-old Radivoje Marković and fatally injuring 40-year-old Dejan Kokotović, who eventually died from his wounds eight days later. He was shot in the chest, abdomen and head. Some of the victims were hit from behind; others dove for cover or tried to retreat into the toilets.

He seriously injured Branislav's nephew, 42-year-old Andrija Mudreša, in the abdomen and duodenum, which required the extraction of his right kidney, as well as Mladen Vuletić, to whom he screamed that he would “now kill his children” at his home very soon. The man tried to warn them but due to his wounds, did not manage to reach his phone in time.

The shooting lasted around four minutes, one of the patrons, 54-year-old Jošo Otašević was spared by Martinović and drove off with him in his navy blue Fiat Stilo towards his godfather’s house in the Humci settlement. Two minutes later, the police received their first phone call from a waiter who called the bar by its old name and misreported the location in Bajice, leading two patrols and another officer to the wrong bar. A review of surveillance cameras showed that while officers were being dispatched to the village, Martinović was already moving south to Humci.

At 5:26 p.m. Martinović parked outside of Marko Martinović’s house. Upon entering he yelled, “Godfather, I killed your brother! Now I will kill you too!” before immediately brandishing the firearm at his wife, 37-year-old Marija Martinović, who was holding their child. However, at the same moment, Otašević who entered with him, stepped in between them and attempted to grab his hand. He received the shot instead and died on the spot while those present fled the scene.

Marija sustained a gunshot wound to her intestines while escaping the home but managed to take refuge with her 11-month-old daughter at the Bulajić's residence, her closest neighbors located on the other side of the garden who then contacted the police. Meanwhile, Martinović chased down and killed Marko, aged 38, in the courtyard of the property.

He then stormed house number 1, front-facing the entrance door of Marko's house at the immediate east of the same block where he shot dead their parents 69-year-old Radovan and 62-year-old Radmila Martinović. Radovan was found dead in an armchair in the living room and his wife in the hallway. Martinović then fled on foot towards his next target.

Still in the settlement about three hundred meters down the road on Čermakova Street, Martinović walked toward the house number 81, residence of the previously injured 40-year-old Mladen Vuletić, and murdered two children in front of their mother, namely 8-year-old Vukan Vuletić and 13-year-old Jovan Vuletić who begged him to stop before being shot to death on the doorstep of their home. The crime was first reported at 5:45, and later more in detail at 5:46 p.m.

On his way out the mother, Dragana Vuletić, rushed over to Martinović and begged him to kill her too. He refused and left. He walked back up to the intersection where he had parked his vehicle and drove to the Donji Kraj neighborhood, circling the north side of Mojkovačka Street, where he celebrated New Year's Eve at his sister's house the previous day.

Martinović arrived at house n°7 at 5:53. He opened the door and angrily yelled for his sister 42-year-old Zorica Vuletić from the entrance. When she arrived into the hallway he screamed “I killed fifteen people, now it's your turn!” Hearing this, her husband and brother-in-law rushed into the hallway and Martinović instructed the husband who was holding the couple's two daughters to sit down, while threatening to kill them if he didn't. Zorica then approached him asking "Why, Aco? Why?" to which he only responded: "You know why," before shooting her once in the head and killing her.

He left and advanced westward to the house number 24 of his friend Milan Drašković. He passed by a honey business and parked at the end of the alley. He climbed up the stairs leading to the house and loudly banged on the door with the back of his gun. When Milan's wife, 51-year-old Dragana Drašković opened the door for him, or as he noticed her through the glass of the window, he shot her in the head before fleeing the scene. The shooting was reported at 5:57.

At an undetermined time during or after these murders, Martinović allegedly tried to break into several houses in the neighborhood. He also knocked at Zorica’s neighbors' home, but no one answered. He reportedly had multiple other targets in mind but didn’t know their addresses. The Prosecutor's Office investigated a list of calls that he might have passed during or after the shootings on at least four different mobile phones, but haven’t made their findings public.

Martinović remained on the run for five hours and 33 minutes. The first communication alerting the public of the crime came at 6:09 PM when authorities warned that an individual “had killed several people at a catering facility in the town of Bajice before fleeing.” His identity was issued at about 7:30 p.m. when the police administration released a mugshot which a media source had unofficially obtained an hour earlier, stating that the suspect had killed 'at least four people' in the bar and that he was still “armed and dangerous.” Meanwhile, local media quickly learned that two children were killed and a woman injured at another location in a residential area and that several more victims were to be expected.

At around 8 PM, police received information that the suspect had apparently been seen roaming in the upper complex of the abandoned ”obod” factory, an old industrial site partially serving as an airsoft arena, but following an inspection there, he wasn't found. Tips for the high school and various places around town were also given by concerned citizens, which the police investigated without success. The army was eventually dispatched to assist in the research at 9:52 PM.

At an unknown time before 9 PM, he abandoned his car due to police blockades, reportedly in Bajice. According to the former prime minister of Montenegro, Dritan Abazović, he would have been confronted in the village when he tried to pass himself off as an undercover agent to a group of officers. Two policemen realized that he was not communicating with anyone so they called him over. He ran off as they did so. This account was rejected by the police directorate who referred to the statement as “inaccurate and malicious” and emphasized that surveillance footage they obtained would confirm their version of events. They released the video of Martinović's death to prove their transparency on January 4.

At 11:30 p.m. he was spotted again after a family tip led officers to an outbuilding close to his parents' home where he was detected using a thermal camera. In response, over a hundred officers circled the area, and one of the units found him at an intersection opposite his residence. They stopped him at 11:33 p.m. and cornered, Martinović shot himself in the head. He was pronounced deceased a few minutes before midnight on the road to the clinical center of Podgorica.

In total, seven men, three women and two children were killed. Three men and a woman were hospitalized with critical injuries; one of whom later died on January 9. All of these victims were either close relatives or friends of the murderer, whom he individually targeted. Along with the 2022 Cetinje shooting, the massacre reopened the wounds of a wave of mass shootings that happened in northern Montenegro in the early 1990s, during which 18 persons were murdered in less than a year. Among these incidents were similarly two cases of family annihilation that occurred in the same town.

On the scene of the killings, investigators found a total of 37 shell casings, nine projectiles and 11 projectile fragments. At his uncle’s auxiliary residence in Bajice, they seized several air rifles, two M75 hand grenades, and a certain quantity of ammunition. On his person, they recovered 61 rounds of various calibers and an additional magazine containing 15 rounds of ammunition. Finally, they recovered the 9mm CZ handgun with one round in the chamber, 10 rounds in the magazine, and one shell casing where he killed himself.

From the first report at 5:26 p.m. until the search concluded police received a total of 108 calls related to the massacre or the movements of the perpetrator - 15 of which were passed within the first 32 minutes. At the time of the murders, the number of police officers registered in Cetinje ranged from nine to eleven, until they were reinforced by units from other sectors at around 6 p.m. By the end of the manhunt, the shooter was being pursued by 213 police officers, most of whom came of their own volition. Another half were members of a unit from Podgorica that arrived about 7:00 p.m.

On January 2 at 6:45 p.m. the police administration held a press conference in which they confirmed the death toll and presented a chronology of events. However, local media quickly disputed the account on the basis that the timeframes given were insufficient to cover the distances between the crime scenes. The director of police later admitted that their statement as to when Martinović left the bar was not based on surveillance footage, but rather on witness testimonies. The time of his exit was subsequently revised to ~5:09 p.m., rather than the originally claimed 5:15 p.m., on January 17.

In the aftermath of the massacre, rumors spread online regarding the political affiliation of Martinović with ideological accounts linking him to an unrelated man who chanted anti-Serbian songs on January 3. The next day, a fact-checking website asked the Montenegrin police if these claims were true, to which they denied. On January 10, the Prosecutor's Office announced that they would monitor any online post including hate speech and opened a total of six legal cases.

Aco Martinović was in fact a Cetinje native and a car repairman by profession. As per the police conference, he had no children, wasn't married, and lived alone in his parents' house in the village of Bajice. In 2005, he received a suspended sentence of one year for violent behavior, apparently in a case of domestic violence, possibly against one of his sisters, who had both reported him for such behavior. Despite this, the police did not note him as a person of security interest.

In November 2022, he was arrested once again for the unregistered ownership of two air rifles, 43 rounds of “different calibers” (all 9x19 according to pre-shooting news reports), a firearm cleaning kit, and an explosive device, supposedly composed of a metal tube filled with gunpowder and ball bearings. On that instance, he was convicted and sentenced to three months of imprisonment in December 2024, but appealed the sentence, which was still pending by January 1.

During the search of the house, officers recognized anti-social patterns and handed him over to the Ministry of Health, who diagnosed him with a personality disorder and prescribed therapy, which he never pursued. Interviews conducted by the police in the course of the investigation with witnesses and close relatives showed that they often suffered from his surges of impulsivity and nervousness, but haven't disclosed these behaviors to the police out of fear of retaliation.

According to statements from the police, the motive for the murders in the bar was believed to be “unsettled accounts from the past” involving Miloš Martinović. They however couldn't give an explanation for the following killings, notably stating that Martinović had a good relationship with his sister, who was at the time of the massacre the last member of his family willing or in capacity to care for him, and the two children of Mladen Vuletić whom he knew since their birth.

In contrast, Milomir Miljanić, a Cetinje resident until 1998 who knew his family and lived with them for a year theorized on the television program “Ćirilica” that Martinović killed his later victims due to his intense contempt for relatives who managed to build a family, emphasizing that he was “completely withdrawn” and almost had no real contact in his life. Unnamed Cetinje residents for another media also explained that Zorica would have confided 'some aspects' of his life to another person and that these pieces of information eventually spread around town, causing him shame and anger.

Believing interviews given by neighbors, Martinović would try to cultivate the reputation of a quiet, reserved and good craftsman, but his surroundings would happen to realize that his home was "neglected like a barn", that he was known to police and also on the verge of being imprisoned, which he attempted to cover from people outside his inner circle.

Miljanić added that contrary to the opinion of psychiatrists "everyone knew that he had psychiatric problems", that the extent of it went further than a personality disorder, and that his parents, when they were still alive knew it as well, but never admitted it. On the day of the killings, a witness living in close vicinity to Martinović’s house also saw him acting strangely, standing motionless and half-visible through the doorstep of his home before leaving for Velestovo “as if he was thinking about what to do.”

Martinović also made patrons uneasy in the moments preceding the shootings, leading one man to leave the bar over concerns regarding his 'unusual behavior' according to his wife. He often revealed his hatred at taverns where he once announced to his group that they would forget Borilović, the first Cetinje attacker, during one of his drunken episodes. Both men had similar contacts on their phone listings whom they spoke with within weeks of their respective murders, however the police couldn't find any evidence that the two men knew each other before the Medovina mass shooting.

On January 3, the funerals were held for seven of the victims, five were buried at the New Cemetery of Cetinje, namely Jovan and Vukan Vuletić, their uncle Mirko Vuletić, Jošo Otašević and Dragana Drašković. Two other victims : Branislav Mudreša and Radivoje Marković were buried in their respective villages of Bokovo and Lipa. Before the proceedings, a woman and a child fainted while heading toward the New Cemetery in Cetinje and were taken away by an ambulance.

On January 4, Radovan, Radmila, Marko and Miloš Martinović were buried in the cemetery of Bajice. Zorica Vuletić was buried in the village of Grab-Cuci. The thirteenth victim, Dejan Kokotović died on January 9 and was laid to rest on the 11th in the village of Bjeloši. Aco Martinović’s body was transferred to his second sister and its disposal is undisclosed.

On January 5, the director of Police Administration, Lazar Šćepanović, revealed that Martinović was slightly intoxicated at the time of his death. According to verbal information communicated to him earlier that day, a blood and urine test showed an alcohol concentration of 0.40 grams per kilogram in his system. Given that he had consumed about twenty shots of pálinka that day, Šćepanović estimates that the amount of alcohol in his body most likely ranged from 0.74 to 1.34 grams during the course of murders. He was reportedly not under the influence of other psychoactive substances.

Following the funerals, media coverage gradually tapered off until the end of January. In March of 2025, an audiovisual report on the national media's treatment of the shooting observed that over the period from January 1–4, a combined total of 4 hours and 19 minutes of coverage in relation to the attack were registered by ten broadcasters: 32% by TV E, while Gradska and Vijesti shared 24%. They asserted that their approach was ethical and that no violations were found.

On May 16, 2025, a session was heard on the 23 deaths related to the Cetinje massacres by the committee for Security and Defense at the Parliament of Montenegro. The first part was held privately to view classified material and resumed on May 20 where they mostly heard the accounts of the Interior Minister and Police Director on the rest of the agenda.

During the meeting Lazar Šćepanović assured that the January 1st shooting couldn't have been prevented by proactive police action, citing the spontaneity of the crime and the insufficient presence in force. He also stressed the systematic nature of the January 1st massacre in comparison to the partially indiscriminate murders in Medovina while confirming that the argument in the bar was only the catalyst for a crime sustained by years of antisocial behavior and rumination.

On June 2 after assessing the evidence, the Higher State Prosecutor's Office in Podgorica completed their investigation and announced that there was no basis or indication to suspect anyone of contributing to the massacre. On June 26th, the basic Prosecutor's Office of Cetinje separately opened another case based on the report of the Ministry of Internal Affairs published six days earlier regarding police conduct connected to the attack, but haven't issued a decision since.

Sources

https://pastebin.com/6Wqu8sxT

We often hear of police failures and mistakes when it comes to this but can you think of any cases where the police response was completely appropriate(before and during the attack).

i saw a picture on tiktok where this individual was put around other mass or school attackers and i’ve been wondering who it is ever since i saw it. sorry if this doesn’t go here but not sure where else to ask because i commented on the video a while back and never got a response.

Personally I think the person here might have been a teenager (just based on the height) or maybe even a preteen, but I can't prove that obviously. Maybe it was a kid/teen who knew about the shooting (he looks similarly dressed to L'ubomir Harman minus the hood and mask) and wanted to carry out his own attack, but had second thoughts and backed out.

It could be any case from low profile to high profile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Rotterdam_shootings

On September 28, 2023, Fouad Lakhlili killed two people in a residence in Rotterdam, Netherlands, and then killed one more person in a classroom at a medical center before setting it on fire. He was arrested by police below the hospital's helipad after committing the crime.

On February 21, 2025, Fouad Lakhlili was sentenced to life imprisonment for the shooting.

Last one may have been in my last post I don’t remember.

On 28 September 2023, two shootings occurred in Rotterdam, Netherlands. The first, in which two people were killed, was at a residence on Heiman Dullaertplein, followed by a second, in which one person was killed, in a classroom at the Erasmus University Medical Center. The perpetrator, identified as medical student Fouad Lakhlili, was sentenced to life imprisonment in 2025.

After a deadly school shooting in Oxford, Michigan, prosecutors, in a first, charged both the gunman and his parents. It's a change some victims' families believe could help break the cycle of violence.

On September 17, 2009, 18-year-old Georg Riess attacked the Gymnasium Carolinum school in Ansbach, Bavaria, Germany, armed with an axe and Molotov cocktails, he injured 15 people before being shot and arrested

On April 29, 2010, Riess was found guilty of 47 counts of attempted murder, among other charges, and sentenced to nine years in a juvenile detention center. The juvenile division of the Ansbach District Court also ordered his indefinite confinement in a psychiatric facility.

In August 2025, Riess escaped from the psychiatric facility where he was being held and fled to South America; Interpol managed to locate him in the city of Piedecuesta, Colombia, and alerted local authorities, leading to his arrest in early September 2025.

I’m honestly just curious why didn’t salvador know his grandma survived when she was literally standing up on bodycam and held a towel on her face, wouldn’t he had heard her scream and continue to grunt of severe pain while he was in the house with her. Knowing Ramos i feel like he would have finished the job and honestly just surprised he didn’t finish her off unless he was just trying to prove a point to his family maybe?