I’m wondering if maybe this is something other ENTJ’s can relate to because the INTJ’s in my life do understand it, but this sort of thing just doesn’t happen with them because they don’t want to deal with it.

But does anyone else experience like a sheer amount of absolute ridiculous chaos? It’s just insanity happening one after the other, and I’m left cleaning up the mess every time.

It’s to the point where I can’t even believe that most of it is real and I’d rather actually be going insane than to fully absorb the absurdity. It is quite literally one thing after another. Chaos that I’m expected to handle or fix.

Or do any of you experience trying to give people explicit instructions like: “here is what must be done. Here is why it’s important. Do not do anything else but this. It’s serious.” And everyone else goes: “understood,” then completely does the exact opposite of what you said, then you have to clean up that mess?

It can’t be just me, right? Could it be an ENTJ thing?

It basically goes like this (summarized version):

Others: “This is a huge, chaotic mess that nobody is fixing! It’s causing so many problems!”
Me: “I hate this, but I will fix it.” … “There. It’s fixed. Now I can finally relax.”
Others: “OH MY GOD! WE HAVE AN ABSURD EMERGENCY THAT YOU NEED TO FIX RIGHT NOW!”
Me: “What?! Why didn’t you all just do what I said?!”
Others: “WE THOUGHT YOU WERE BEING RIDICULOUS BUT TURNS OUT, YOU WERE RIGHT AND WE NEED YOU IMMEDIATELY!”
Me: “Ugh! FINE! I’ll fix it!” … “There, it’s fixed. Now I can relax.”
Others: “OHHH MY GOD —“
Me: *sighs*

Edit: Actually, I will say (and it’s nothing against INTJ’s) but they do cause a lot of problems in my life that I have to handle/clean up. I just have to laugh about it.

Edit 2: I am also in the military so maybe that has something to do with it, haha.

Any other ENTj in here find themselves having high cognitive empathy, and emotional intelligence from studies and experience as opposed to an ethical types naturally or more automatic empathy?

I haven't worked for 8 years, it was out of my control the reasons why. However, recently I finally became ready to work and have been trying to get back into the workforce. I'm in Australia for context.

I must've done 100 applications by now, had 1 interview which was unsuccessful. I keep getting rejection letters but no acceptance letters. I've polished my resume and studied up on the latest developments in my field, but still no luck.

I'm feeling very demoralised and just feeling like I'm never going to get a job. How do you deal with this? Any advice? I'm wondering if I'm ever going to get a job.

Sad thing is I've never been more ready to work, I'm so keen to work and actually think I would perform really well, but no one is giving me the chance. 😓 I don't want to lose my motivation.

Would appreciate some words of support or guidance. Thanks.

Hey everyone,

I am an ENTJ 8w9 planning my next career move. I want a company where I can plant my flag for the next few years.

For me, loyalty is everything. I worship work and cannot sleep peacefully if I have not put in the exact hours I am being paid for. Once I accept an offer, I do not window shop for better ones. I commit fully. But I need real autonomy in return. Give me a goal, let me build the systems, and judge me on the results. Micromanagement kills my drive.

My background:

• Grew a regional solar branch from $0 to $1M+ in revenue in 16 months and managed a 40-person team.
• Ran growth for startups, building B2B cold email systems with over 50 percent open rates that closed high-ticket clients.
• Replaced paper workflows with a custom CRM, cutting delays by 70 percent and saving $600 monthly.
• Built an operations division from scratch, delivering 3,000 resumes and boosting shortlisting rates by 60 percent.
• Hit the top 1 percent of Quora creators with 54 million views and 64K followers (pre-2019, before the platform went downhill).

I am now looking for a fully remote job and want honest advice from fellow ENTJs.

My questions:

1. Roles & Fulfilment: What job titles fit this mix of operations and growth? What kind of roles actually brought you satisfaction?
2. Reality & Pay: What platforms actually work for finding these jobs, and what is a realistic remote salary expectation?
3. Nationality: Please be brutally honest. Will being based in India make it difficult to land a remote role from the West?
4. The Loyalty Trap (The Most IMP Question): My loyalty has cost me opportunities in the past because I refuse to jump ship quickly. That feels like a betrayal. How do you deal with this feeling?

Thank you for the advice.

INTP here, your shadow type. I always found you very intruiging, we were always alike in different ways. So alike yet so different.

Every type's function stack is optimised for a specific type of task, solving problems in its own realm of thought. For ENTJ, this is figuring out who you want to be and creating then excecuting perfective, efficient plans to get there. ENTJ is a problem solving machine for achieving a tangible result they first and foremost desire due to its sound logic (Te) and due to its compatibility with what they want emotionally (Fi). For INTP, this is finding objective truth, deducing answers. INTP is a problem solving machine for finding truth. As shadow types, we are both strongly capable of doing the other's job but after all our function stack is made to achieve one thing and that purpose becomes a personal value. An ENTJ hates being where they don't want to be knowing that theyre not advancing further, being and staying pathetic is incredibly hurtful to them and they strive to change that. An INTP hates delusion and fears believing in the wrong thing, theyll scramble for truth until theyre satisfied.

My question is; how does ENTJ handle doing something they despise to get a result they so deeply desire? An INTP almost only does what captivates them and intellectually entertains them. Anything else is rejected because its simply too boring to do in the moment.

What goes through ENTJ's head when they realise what theyre doing is a heavy emotional weight to bear, too tiring, too boring. Does your mind subconciously link this suffering to the reward it produces? I understand that as extroverts you may not be as introspective but I want whatever information i can get regarding this.

Thank you.

Não sabia sobre esse termo até agora. Fui pesquisar sobre uma frase de Júlio César em que ele fala que prefere ser o primeiro em uma vila de bárbaros do que o segundo em Roma e entrei em um post de 10 anos atrás dessa comunidade.

Sou H(25) e não fazia ideia de que existisse isso, mas fico feliz em ter descoberto.

As a younger teen/tween i used to compete with my sister as well, i dont anymore.

but i find myself competing with people around me all the time. even random people who are just walking by.

like this one time there was a girl with great posture and so i straightened up immediately which is normal but in my head i was “defeating her”.

same goes for my friends. before grades are announced at my uni im constantly anxious , not because i want to score more, but because im hoping none of these people around me score more than me.

I can’t stand when they’re looking better than me in a social setting (dressed better, hair better etc)

i dont sabotage anyone but my mood drops significantly

is this an entj thing or am i just mental ?

I’m posting this here because I think my executive, hyper-fixated approach to crisis management—something core to the ENTJ archetype—is exactly why I’m stuck in this loop.

To give you the baseline: I’m a woman in my early 20s, dentist, 2e (AuDHD/OCD), and navigating C-PTSD.

For as long as I can remember, I’ve been the friend who over-function. Whenever things get messy or chaotic around me, an intense internal drive kicks in to be the regulated, mature, and "correct" person in the room. This makes me the permanent emotional container for everyone else’s crises, even when my own life is incredibly heavy.

I don't expect people to mirror my capacity or my lifestyle. However, I’m noticing a persistent lack of consistency and reciprocal effort from others, even at a bare-minimum level. Just in the past two weeks, I’ve navigated cold, dismissive responses from three close friends whom I’ve consistently supported.

I’m trying to parse out where this pattern originates. Is it oldest daughter syndrome? Is it the neurodivergent brain wiring? Hyper-independence as a tactical trauma response to the C-PTSD? Probably a combination of all three.

For the ENTJ women in this sub: Do you experience the same dynamic, and how do you deal with it?

This is a philosophical discussion related to how cognitive functions of an ENTJ would interpret and play with these questions both in theory and the real world.

I personally tend to really struggle defining myself. Especially at night, I’m faced with myself and what do I feel is the right representation of me… but is it?

Are you going the wrong direction of self-perception and how can you truly know whether your identity anchoring method is valid?

Are you actually acheiving something meaningful, or is the society making you believe that you are acheiving something meaningful?

Do you ever get shaken by how chaotic your inner emotional world is, that you struggle with accurately defining them and confidently incorporating them into your sense of identity?

Would you acheive something because it is meaningful and fulfilling to you, or would you acheive something because it is validated by society’s oftentimes convenient standards?

Can you ever realize accurately the extent to which society has influenced your sense of identity and direction in life and can you ever be confident that it would take you to a right direction?

On the other hand, if you can‘t fully trust yourself, whom can you really trust so you can know yourself in the best way possible and acheive something your long-term self would be proud of? Is there even an aswer to that question, or are you just doomed to roam around the world and vehemently claim random concepts as something utterly important to you?

Do you truly feel aware of how free you are to enact your agency onto this world?

And finally. When you remove all your acheivements, friends, social status and everything you find a fan of yourself from, who really are you?

These are only some of the thoughts that crossed my min the moment I am writing this post. Otherwise, I also write them in my journal/diary. I’m interested whether you can relate to them and if you have any interesting answers, freely comment down below :)

As an INTP, ENTJs are my favorite mbti. So you’re going to take my compliments whether you like it or not.

I love that you ENTJs take your life choices and yourselves very seriously. It’s the thing that I admire about you guys the most because I should probably do the same, but I’m too lazy hehe. I can feel the intent in everything that you do, you come across as being 100% sure of yourself (even during times when you aren’t), you have a high appreciation for competency and that’s why you gain my respect naturally.

You guys are so driven that I can’t keep my eyes off you guys, just watching you work makes me smile. It makes me want to work beside you.

Yet, because you guys take yourselves so seriously, it makes me want to ‘play’ with you and that’s where your silly side shines. Whether it’s just a silly battle of wits, physically play-fighting, or just simple banter, I love just interacting with you guys. If I ever irritate you, it’s all out of love, I promise LOL.

I'm very curious about this and would be happy to hear some examples

For me: most of my life I basically wore black in a simple but ' elegant ' way (I was quite minimalistic), until a few years ago I happened to fall down a rabbit hole about some style, body type and color theories.

Once I got a grasp of the theories enough to apply it (like which cuts, lengths, accessory shape etc are best) I redid my wardrobe into a" uniform " set of 5 outfits, and bought multiples in different suitable colors. Now I don't need to think about it or go through the hassle. Ironically I found out black doesn't suit my coloring but I can't resist, it's still 50% of my wardrobe haha. I also purposefully dress in particular ways according to the situations if it benefits me/serves a goal I'm after (edit: given it's genuinely my own style/existing clothes), so in other words, it's always done with intention/never frivolously.

I see there is no friendship category so I chose “advice”

Several months ago, an ENTJ dm me from a not so SFW social media, and we chat every day. The topics are completely SFW and all philosophy, psychology, poem related, a little bit amount of personal history. Therefore I didn’t recognize, and mistyped him into INFx for a long time before he revealed the answer.

Our conversation is not intense, we just send one message to each other per day from the beginning and it’s stable all way through. That is something I’ve never experienced before. Is this a common ENTJ conversation habit? (I send one message to mirror him, it’s not my usual way)

In my stereotype, ENTJs are very goal oriented, but I can’t read his possible purpose all way through. Isn’t talking to a stranger girl about those abstract topics a waste of time? (I’m very used to wasting time on those things though😥 the process is great!)

I see this isn’t something heading to possible relationship. I’m happy to be friends with him like this, and told him directly. But he never mentioned his boundaries, what he wants, he just flowed with our topic and conversation, and operates the depth of his words by the invisible rules that only he knows. And I don’t know any other ENTJ before, so I have no existing reference to help me understand this. That’s why I feel unsure about this conversation.

Any suggestion on any part of my post is welcomed. Thank you!

Do you ever feel like you could do better or you should be in charge? Or are you generally comfortable working under authority?

I just went through my memories and found out a bad pattern that I really want to break now.

To give a short context, I'm an INTP 8w7, when I see something stupid or unjust happening I can't just keep on watching, it literally makes me suffer inside. I need to act on it or disengage quickly.

So the event that took place was at my last company where my coworker was acting extremely inappropriately and breaking the code of behavior against me. Naturally, pressed to act, I attempted to disengage from her so I could work in peace. Instead, she came in front of my face even more and acted even more rudely. I did absolutely not want to engage with her because my acts could have been considered a workplace aggression. So I reached out to my manager. He was an ESTJ, but I don't think it matters that much whether he was that type or ENTJ, the core mechanism is the Te. And I think I engaged in a really bad miscommunication with him. He looked very busy and did not want to talk for long, so I had to tell my problem quickly. Unfortunately, I framed it in an entirely Ti lens - remarked her unacceptable behavior, breaking of company's code and such - basically how I analyzed her behavior internally. However, Te works differently, it needs an actionable plan to execute. I did not present that. So his response was that he will talk to her and he promptly left, completely unbothered by the workplace drama. I think it just gave him a checkmark to place.

After he talked to her, things got even worse, my coworker became mad at me for calling the manager and got seriously on my nerves. At the end of the day, the stress broke me, I burned out completely, not even a week long vacation did anything. So I had to quit my job. Everyone lost - the company lost a worker in very much needed position and I lost my job and my sanity. It took me a month to recover from it.

I want to use this channel for growth and development, so my question is, how should I have engaged with this problem and what communication strategy should I choose in such case? I think you know it better about what works for you. I can only guess and ask AI. But I don't want to be fully reliant on it.

Bonus paragraph. I found that it is the usual to use this specific line of actions to implement practical ideas. ENTP (rapid fire generation of ideas) - INTP (refinement of such ideas) - INTJ (creation and small scale testing of actionable plans) - ENTJ (widespread implementation of actionable plans). With ST types coming in various spots to ensure the real world applicability of such ideas. I'm essentially skipping a step by reaching out to the leadership directly, and that is where the possible miscommunication becomes a problem.

I have severe ADHD and depression. I automate many systems in my life to reduce the effort required to make things happen. For example, to get out of bed, I book something I care about (like a bit of OT, or a doctors appointment) first thing in the morning. I check my phone often, so I keep my reminders on my home screen. I have a rule to set a calendar event with reminders whenever something comes on my agenda. I use timers for everything.

I'm always looking for new ideas for how to help deal with inattention and executive dysfunction. If you have any strategies that work for you, I'd love to hear them. I've already read the other ADHD threads, so if you haven't posted I'm all ears. Thanks.

I don't know when exactly, but I feel like I became who I am now in the past year,

I have no more fears, unhinged confidence, I can kind of just do anything I desire?

its proved really beneficial for networking and relationships. It is probably not the most safe thing, but I don't really care. I just need more initiative, command.

Heyy! How are you??✨

How do you deal with burnout (and negative emotions) while staying productive day to day, even when you barely have the mental energy to work? Is there anything you do that helps?

I've always admired your ability to do what needs to be done, even when you're mentally exhausted.

Thank youu ✨

Ok. Not exactly the same.

But today. I wore my shorts inside out all fucking day. INSIDE OUT.

It's totally my fault. I wasnt really paying attention. I was thinking about what I had to do today and the next couple days and the lighting in my room wasn't bright. I frikken went to Costco. COSTCO! Smh.

Irritated. Embarrassed more than irritated. This isn't the first time I've done something like this. Sometimes shirts are on backwards. Meals are halfway eaten then I walk away without realizing it. A lot of times meals are skipped coz I forget to eat.

I don't think this happens to the ladies. They seem to be much more out together than the dudes. But I apologize in advance if this is sexist and untrue.

Does this happen to anyone else? You're just thinking about your list and you fail at the most basic thing. Like dressing yourself properly. I'd like to know if I'm not the only one.

It's been long since i did my last MBTI test before last night. I was an ISTP-A and just found out now i'm ENTJ-A now

It is such an interesting result to me and i was wondering are there any interesting recommendations to get to know this type? Youtube Vids? or articles? Or anything everyone would like to share relating to this type :D

Also would love to hear everyone's stories about them and how they relate to this type! 😁

Just got a DM on reddit from an INTJ

" Hi,

An ENTJ

Hot "

Blocked but I'm annoyed. Has this happened to anyone else?

I entered into the typology trying to find my type and understand myself better but I don’t know if being ashamed of your feelings could be something you relate to as Fi inferior.

I think a lot of people here are very open about talking about their feelings and stuff, and it's so curious to me because I'd be really ashamed to one day just open Reddit, start talking about how I feel, and look for comfort from other ENTJs (i don’t judge that btw). But I'm trying it because it's ridiculous to me that I can't understand that part of myself, and maybe I'm looking for some advice

How can you be so open to strangers (who are ENTJs, yes, most of them) just like that? Am I so strange because even in a private space I can't even express my feelings? Probably lol

I’m an enfp (defo) but I have weak Te expression. I struggle with consistency i want to get better at it. I’m really bad at structuring my life and organising my life and knowing what’s coming up in my week and stuff. I’m really bad at planning and structuring, probably my adhd.

I want to get better at it maybe I can romanticise organising information and structuring.

My Ti is even a lot better than my Te. (But don’t try and type me, I know what type I am). And my Te and Si are my lowest functions, probably because of my adhd!

Honestly maybe I fear structuring will take away my spontaneity. I feel like I have no need for these two. But I’m Ne dom and have always felt like an ENFP and every character I’ve ever felt like is enfp (again don’t type me). I used to really aspire to be so organised but now I’m just not and I miss appointments so much.

Besties can you give me any tips to get better at these things??

I am always missing appointments all the time, all the time. It is by stroke of luck if like just now I saw a note and realised I have an appointment later today I would have missed otherwise. People say set reminders but idk it feels boring or it doesn’t feel fun/engaging. I like going with the flow. I used to have stronger Te as a teen now I have more Ti like I said don’t type me but I miss every appointment and stuff.

I also procrastinate everything: even though I want to post on insta the same day as the pic happens I post it like 3 weeks later and then it’s not relevant anymore. I struggle to do “what the world requires / what is best for this situation”. Also my desks are always messy and I just.. I used to be better at being efficient. I used to streamline assignments and not watch all my uni lectures just the ones I needed or I used to use the slides and not the videos or do it in some way that was more efficient now I feel like I do everything accurately/thoroughly and struggle with perfectionism instead of being efficient

I think I need to romanticise it honestly, idk at this point