r/bonecollecting Sep 12 '20

Advice Processing a Carcass 101 - the bones of bone collecting

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Ok, so given how many comments we get requesting info on how to process a carcass, I figured it was time to update the stickie for this topic. Enjoy and, as always, feel free to comment and I will append this as needed. Just a reminder to A) always check your local and federal laws to make sure it is legal for you to possess parts of the animal, and B) if you are in an area prone to rabies or other diseases (rabbits and tularemia, armadillos and leprosy, etc), please take adequate precautions when handling dead animals, especially fresh carcasses. Always use gloves when handling a fresh carcass.

HOW TO PROCESS A CARCASS

There are generally three steps in the process of rendering a carcass down to a skeleton: 1) defleshing, 2) degreasing, 3) whitening. In general, these three steps are most effective when done sequentially. Two main things to remember during the process – Chlorine bleach should NEVER be used in any step of this process, and cooking bare bones will fix the grease and potentially cause long-term damage to the bones. Below are a few good guides for processing a carcass for you to take a look at.

http://www.jakes-bones.com/p/how-to-clean-animal-bones.html

http://baccyflap.com/txt/natmat/bones/

http://www.nara.accu.or.jp/img/elearning/2011/animal.pdf

http://bone-lust.blogspot.com/2015/05/bonelust-q-ive-been-macerating-bones.html

DEFLESHING

In general, the more flesh and skin that is removed, the faster the defleshing step is and the less smell you will have. Once you finish defleshing, you will want to pick clean any remaining soft tissue with tweezers, a scalpel, brush, etc before moving on to the degreasing step.

Open Air - This is easily the fastest method for defleshing. Using this method, you let the carcass rot naturally on the ground and let the flies and other insects work their magic. To do this technique, it is highly recommended that you use a locking cage to keep out scavengers that will be drawn to it. You simply put the carcass in the cage or fenced in area. You do not need to deflesh, skin, or gut the animal first for this to work, in fact the skin can help keep the moisture in. Sometimes it helps to poke a few extra holes for the maggots to get in. There are a few major drawbacks to this technique 1) the smell is awful and your neighbors will hate you, 2) you have to keep the carcass moist for the maggots to keep working, or you will end up with a mummified carcass, and 3) you will develop a fly problem. So, this is better done in a more warmer and more humid climate (doesn't work so well in a desert), and you only want to do this if you have adequate land and distance from your residence (and neighbors, think about your neighbors). Once the skeleton is reasonably clean, remove the bones and rinse them off.

Dermestids – great method if you have the ability to sustain a colony, and works well in the winter if you have a heated set-up. Rather than go through this process, here is a great link that goes over it. Be forewarned, dermestids will smell and do require you to keep feeding it as they are living creatures. If you do not properly ventilate, clean, or feed them, they will find a way to swarm out of their enclosure and I speak from personal experience when I say that you don’t want that to happen. Note that this is the only one of the defleshing techniques that will keep fish, birds, lizards, and small mammal skeletons somewhat intact. The other techniques mentioned below will result in disarticulation.

https://www.natsca.org/sites/default/files/publications/JoNSC-Vol7-Munoz-Saba_et_al_2020_0.pdf

Burying – this technique works best when you have a piece of property to do it on, have time, and can reasonably protect the carcass from scavengers. It also is the easiest for cleanup and has the least smell, and is a great method for when you are dealing with a whole carcass from a larger animal. This method also works with smaller animals, like rodents, if done in a flowerpot. You will still want to skin and deflesh as much as possible beforehand, and you’ll want to keep the soil slightly moist. With burying, there are two primary concerns: scavengers and loosing parts. To prevent scavenging, try to bury at least 2 ft (60 cm) deep (or deeper if sandy soils) and place larger rocks above the carcass to act as a barrier to digging. To prevent the loss of smaller elements, consider placing a wire mesh below the skeleton. The time it takes to decompose depends a lot on the local soil conditions (soil type, soil temperature, soil moisture, soil acidity), but will generally be several months for a larger carcass. I have heard of people adding bacteria (yeast) or compost to the carcass to help speed the process along. Oh, and one last helpful tip…place a clear marker over the pit so you can find it again when it is time.

Maceration – the smelliest method, but highly effective and you can use the same container the entire way through the process. You will want a large container with water, and a way to keep the water on the warmer side (over 70 F/21 C). If you can stomach it, stirring the pot every day will help with the maceration process. You will want to do pour-off’s (replacing the water) regularly initially as the water becomes too fouled (and to remove chunks of soft tissue that will invariable float around), and this is where the most offensive, gag-inducing, eye-watering, curse-laden part of the process will occur. But as the decomp gets farther along, do fewer pour offs. With each pour off, you are reducing the amount of bacteria for digesting the soft tissue. As long as there is plenty of food available, they will repopulate (try to leave some of the scum with each pour off to allow faster recovery of the bacterial population). If the water is allowed to get too cold, the decomposition process will stop and, even worse, you will convert the fats to adipocere (bone wax) which is very difficult to remove. Under ideal conditions, you can easily render a fleshed animal to bones in a few weeks using this method. You don’t necessarily need to deflesh for this technique to work (and I have found that having the bacteria from the stomach contents helped things along), but you do want to skin the animal. Stirring the mix also will aid in speeding up the process. If at all possible, try to keep the buckets out of direct sunlight to keep the algae from growing (I throw a tarp over my bins).

I am going to add in a caveat here since we see it so often - DO NOT ADD ANTIBACTERIAL DISH SOAP OR HYDROGEN PEROXIDE AT THIS STEP. You need bacteria to digest and break down the soft tissue. These two things make the environment hostile to bacteria causing it to take substantially longer to process. The only thing that you can add to help the process along is enzymatic detergent, which brings us to the next method.

Enzymatic Detergent Maceration - You also can add an enzymatic detergent (BIZ is one example) to the water to aid in the process. u/octane80808 has a great summary of the use of enzymatic detergents in the comments section that I have copied sections of here: "For anyone in Europe, we have enzyme-based washing powders [mod note - Biotex in Europe, powdered Biz w/out bleach in US]. I've been using it for years and I can't imagine it doing any other way. It's essentially an all-in-one method, as it dissolves the tissue, but also the fat, so it degreases at the same time. There's no need to whiten the bones afterwards, they come out perfectly clean (there is no bleach, or whitening agent present AFAIK, so it's all natural). The only downside is that any cartilage also dissolves. So for fish, birds, young animals, or small animals, you'll be spending an afternoon gluing the bones.

I also clean my skull manually during this process. Depending on how impatient I am, and how much free time I have, I take them out of the solution every day to every other day. I remove the tissue I can remove without disturbing the skull too much. And I refresh the solution. So a new spoonful of washing powder, and warm water. The latter also helps to speed up the process, as higher temperatures seem to be favourable. By refreshing the solution every day, I can usually clean a skull within one or two weeks...renewing the solution isn't necessary, it will just take a lot longer.

The washing powder is relatively cheap, and it comes in large boxes. You only have to use a teaspoon or tablespoon, depending on the size of the container/skull. So it lasts quite a long time as well..Note that the bone may feel soft after this step, especially if processing a bird or fish. It is better to allow the bone to dry before handling as this will re-harden the bone. Also, bones may turn black during this process if the water isn't changed regularly enough. Do not worry, you can treat this discoloration during the "Whitening" step."

Simmering/Cooking – this method ONLY should be used with larger animals, and can be effective when you have a carcass that is dehydrated jerky. The reason is that high heat will warp bones, and will fix the grease in the bones making step 2 (degreasing) incredibly difficult. Never use this step with birds, fish, and small mammals. To use the boiling method, you actually want your carcass to have flesh, but gutted, in order to protect the bones. Place the carcass into the boiling water and allow the water to return to a low simmer, then remove from heat. Leave the carcass in the water for only as long as it takes for the flesh to “cook” (if you are boiling for an hour, you have ruined the bones). Remove from water and the flesh should come off easily, although internal tissues (like the brain or inside the nose) will still be adhered. You can use a pressure washer or hose with a good nozzle to try and clean off the hard-to-reach areas. Be extremely cautious using a pressure washer as it will blast more fragile bone to pieces and can easily destroy a skull.

DEGREASING

You will need a degreasing agent for this step, most of the liquid dish soaps will work great here, just avoid the opaque ones or ones with strong colors (colorless and clear work great and won't dye the bones). Laundry soap often doesn’t work as well, and some will dye the bones. The exception to this is enzymatic detergent (in the US this is sold as BIZ), which works well as a degreaser. This step requires a container big enough for you to submerge the remains in. Add water and soap – how much soap is up to you and depends on the amount of grease in the bones. You will need to change the soapy water as it becomes cloudy, generally at least once a week. Continue this process until fully degreased – i.e., the water doesn’t cloud after a week. This is the longest step, and will take much longer than you think. If you see any yellowing or oily spot on the bone, then it still needs degreasing.

You can substitute acetone or ammonia for dish soap as the degreasing agent, but both have their safety issues. Ammonia is an irritant, so only use ammonia if you have a respirator. Also, be careful when emptying the liquid as household ammonia will kill vegetation.

Acetone also can be used, but you cannot dilute it with water. As a result, acetone is often more expensive that using the other two agents, and as a bonus it can melt plastic, so you will want to use a different type of container than a plastic bucket. It also dissolves nitrile and latex gloves, is flammable (no heating the liquid), and the fumes are toxic, so there is that. Also, acetone will evaporate, so the container needs to have a tight lid. If used correctly, you can treat multiple batches of bones with acetone, and acetone works faster than other methods. Lastly, acetone can’t be disposed of down the drain because of it’s toxicity and remember that bit about dissolving plastics…like your drain pipes?

WHITENING

After the bones have been degreased, you may wish to whiten the bones. This is not a necessary step, and is mainly cosmetic though it does help to sterilize the bones. You can use 3% hydrogen peroxide from the store, and it can be found in higher concentrations as hair developer, which is up to 12% hydrogen peroxide. Other options for obtaining hydrogen peroxide are from a pool supply store, though you have to be careful that it isn’t mixed with other chemicals. The important things to remember during this step is that A) hydrogen peroxide will degrade quickly when exposed to sunlight, and B) hydrogen peroxide degrades rapidly when exposed to heat, C) hydrogen peroxide will degrade faster when exposed to air. So, it works better when covered and not in direct sunlight.

Simply submerge the bone in the hydrogen peroxide until you reach the desired whiteness. If using 3% hydrogen peroxide, it isn’t necessary to dilute the liquid. Higher concentrations may require dilution as it is a powerful oxidizer.

An alternative method to submerging in hydrogen peroxide is sun bleaching. Note that this exposes the bones to the elements, and you lose a lot of control over the whitening process. It also takes considerably longer than the hydrogen peroxide approach.

NOTE: Chlorine Bleach should NEVER be used to whiten bones. Chlorine bleach degrades the bone collagen, which is the protein component of bone that holds the mineral component (hydroxyapatite) in place. This will leave the bone brittle and powdery, and the bone will continue to degrade over time. The effects are irreversible.

DRYING

I add this as a last step as this is a critical step where mistakes are often made. Bone is a porous material that contains organic components. If dried too rapidly, those organic components can shrink, or parts of the bone may dry faster than other parts. This can result in cracking, warping, and delamination of the bone. In general, let the bones dry slowly and out of the sun. Do not bake or expose it to high heat, or attempt to speed up the process. You may notice teeth cracking during the drying process. This is not uncommon, and you can glue the teeth back together after they drying process is complete.


r/bonecollecting 4h ago

Educational Have you ever been judged by this hobby?

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What are some weird experiences or conversations you’ve had with people?

Recently, a friend introduced me to her friends as someone who kills animals for fun and collects their bones and skulls as a trophy. Honestly idk why she would say that about me right in front of strangers.

I felt very irritated about it and tried to defend bone collecting and my taxidermy work as someone who deeply respects life and animals and wants to honor them even after death.

When I tell people that I like to collect skulls and bones, they tell me I’m mentally ill for doing so. There’s many stigmas around this type of work.


r/bonecollecting 6h ago

Bone I.D. - Europe My son just found this, should we worry?

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Hi all,

I’m unsure if this is the correct subreddit but my son just found this on the beach (North Sea Belgium). Is it time to call the police?


r/bonecollecting 16h ago

Collection Sharing my collection before I part with it :(

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Here is my collection post before some of these are gone forever :(

I left a job that was asking me to lie on financial aid and grant documents and i could not take it anymore and did not want to sign my name. Unfortunately it led to a big blowout and I went from a interim admissions director(?) to scooping ice cream part time for a job.

I'm not sure what to price certain things on but the very first pic (vintage deer skull mount redesigned by an incredible artist indomitus.taxidermy on instagram) is the only one that really hurts to let go. And my teeth molds. I love those unfortunately and they are married ( in my opinion!!!!) and i may only sell them as a set. Can anyone advise on what to price things at ? And again what sites im allowed to post certain things/where i should list on lol ?

Thank you!


r/bonecollecting 15h ago

Bone I.D. - N. America Found on train racks of an abandoned marshy town.

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Found in Sonoma county. Please I’m so curious! Thank you. Jaw bone that I found had teeth where tips of them curled inward?


r/bonecollecting 43m ago

Bone I.D. - N. America Deer? Midatlantic east coast USA

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Found in a public nature preserve, slightly off the trail under a big tree. The skeleton was semi buried with a few bones visible until I excavated it

I assumed it was a deer but this subreddit has me scared now 😅


r/bonecollecting 1h ago

Bone I.D. - N. America What is this?

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Me and my mom found this in our backyard in Minnesota.


r/bonecollecting 21h ago

Advice More advice 😭 GROSS 🤢

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I just made a post on here the other day about my deer skull I bought on eBay and bought it as degreased/non-whitened/cleaned and upon opening it stunk of death and rotten meat. I was told I was essentially ripped off as it’s NOT completely degreased which was in the seller’s description. It’s my first deer skull ever so I apologize in advance. I’ve soaked it in dawn as a degreasing method as suggested, and noticed this white tissue coming from the skull. The smell is just as bad if not WORSE. Is this normal part of degreasing or should I just stop degreasing and go to maceration? I didn’t want to macerate right away as I live in an apartment building which lacks a yard lol. Thanks again guys, you’ve been so helpful so far. ☺️


r/bonecollecting 1d ago

Advice Found in a Storage Unit

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I bought a storage unit recently and found this in a box. Not what I was expecting to find at all. The unit was full of other weird stuff, but nothing like this. Lots of details have me thinking this is fake, but I wanted to make sure I don't need to turn this in or something. Could I get some help making sure it's fake?


r/bonecollecting 1h ago

Advice How does one one clean off a bone if stinkyyyy

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My friend found this skull and says it be stinky but it’s mine if I want it and I do REALLY want it, what do I do-?


r/bonecollecting 28m ago

Bone I.D. - N. America Is this a whale vertebrae?

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I found this on Palm Island in Englewood, FL. It in 5.5" long 7" side and the bell in about 1.5" deep.


r/bonecollecting 2h ago

Collection Mini bull terrier skull

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New to the collection.It was full of grease cause it was cleaned by protease.Did some degreasing and whitening and now it looks great can add to my closet.:3


r/bonecollecting 2h ago

Advice help/advice appreciated

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this is the skull of my late kitty Sonny, i loved him very much and wanted to keep a memento of him that was more representational than just cremains

I buried him in december (gets pretty close to freezing in winter where I'm at although we don't quite get snow) and dug him back up in May, half his skull still had flesh and fur on it so i rinsed off what i could with a garden hose and put him back in the dirt for 2 weeks, then maserated for 2 weeks until there was no smell (its around 100 degrees outside) and have been soaking it in soapy water for around another 2 weeks. My question is, does the skull still look like there are grease deposits on it and does it need additional degreasing? The camera on my phone heightened the contrast a bit so it's pretty chalky, whiter and more uniform in color than in the photos, and not shiny anywhere in real life except on the teeth. There are some chalky/bright white powdery deposits in the nooks and crannies and I'm not sure if that's an issue.

The lower mandible is broken and I'm not sure if that happened during or after his life, he did pass away after 6 months of throwing up everything he ate, developing scabs on his skin and getting really thin (yes I had taken him to the vet multiple times and oddly they never suggested an x-ray), we'd chalked it up to age or possibly lymphoma so I hope he wasn't just in pain from having a broken jaw :( alternately I might've just hit it and fractured it with my shovel when I was digging him up lol

This is my first attempt at cleaning a skull so I'm not exactly sure what to look for to make sure it's preserved for a good long while! thanks!


r/bonecollecting 2h ago

Bone I.D. - N. America What is this?

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I found this bone off a beach in Wisconsin, I think it might be a kind of fish??? Its about hand length, like 4-4.5 inches, does anyone have any clue what it is???


r/bonecollecting 18h ago

Advice Been catching absolute monster swamp donkeys (blue catfish). I wanna honor these beautiful fish by preserving their skeletons and mounting them on a stringer display. My plan is:

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Bury 2’ deep in rich soil for a month, dig up, hydrogen peroxide bath, assemble.

Any tips would be greatly appreciated.


r/bonecollecting 2h ago

Bone I.D. - Europe Here's a challenging one for you all!

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Hand included in the last image but please note I have quite large hands...


r/bonecollecting 6h ago

Bone I.D. - Europe Swedish Beach Find - Kattegatt

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My thought was: grey seal lumbar vertebra (with some of the spinous process missing). It’s incredibly flat.
Any suggestions gratefully received.

(Ignore the gnarled driftwood)


r/bonecollecting 1d ago

Art The skull necklace that I just finished making from cow bone

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r/bonecollecting 3h ago

Advice United Kingdom - Advice on if it is legal to harvest the head from a suspected Starling?

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More or less what the title says. I have found this dead bird laying behind a bus shelter that has been there a couple days. Not 100% certain on the ID as I am not an ornithologist but it looks very similar to the attached picture, which is a European Starling. The tips of the feathers on the breast are the same and the wings are also brown like the photo.

I have looked into the basics of harvesting dead animals and it seems to be that because it is dead on public land no one will really come after me UNLESS it is a protected species, and that I should really ask the local council as they technically own the land. I only want its head ultimately but I do not want to get in legal trouble for cutting the head off of a bird that apparently broke its neck flying into a bus shelter.


r/bonecollecting 13m ago

Advice Sealed box

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So I have a couple deceased pet rats that I've sealed in wooden boxes and covered and sealed in tape and bags and they have been fine for over a year now but I think I used a different box or didn't seal 1 or 2 enough. 😔 My question is how do I safely go about opening the boxes and transferring the ones starting to smell into a pot with soil? I'm assuming there will be fumes not good to inhale. Also what would I be seeing so I could be prepared. They are wrapped in fleece so I'm assuming that would've soaked up fluids but I'm not sure. Please no hate I'm genuinely wanting to know how to do this safely


r/bonecollecting 4h ago

Bone I.D. - Europe Could somebody identify this bone?

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I found this in the woods (but next to a town) somewhere in Germany.


r/bonecollecting 11h ago

Bone I.D. - Europe What animals do these bones belong to?

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I found a few bones on a beach in Langeland, Denmark. Can anyone tell me what creatures they belong to?


r/bonecollecting 20h ago

Advice Long time lurker, first time poster!

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Love this sub, especially all the bone crafting! ✨Everyone's so creative ✨
Decided to take the plunge and start the process after finding a decently intact deer carcass. The bugs have done most of the work here. I cleaned up with a soft bristle brush, getting into the crevices as best and gently as I could. Rinsed them off before submerging in Dawn for de-greasing. I'll be back out in a week to change the water. Any advice for a newbie? Thanks!