Definitely without !

I think this might be my favorite on the album. Really brings me back to They Speak With Knives, my favorite from Red Forest.

The part 1 reference gives me hope that they may play somewhere closer than 218 miles from my house in part 2!

Really hard to pick; this whole album rips!

No lyrics unless it's a spoken word sample. Singing without lyrics is fine though

i like both but i think i prefer no lyrics or voice just used as an instrument

so sad that it is another side of the world for me! caspian, vaudlow, el ten eleven ... wow just WOW!

without lyrics

Agree, I love the spoken word in how do we want to live by Long Distance Calling, and in the band "Public Service Broadcasting"

Almost always without. There have been exceptions. Sigur Ros comes to mind as does how Mogwai has used vocals in some unusual ways over the years. Basically the more the vocals sound like an instrument and less like singing, the more I like them, but I tend to prefer post-rock without any vocals.

It's important to me that sounds cannot be understood as language. Singing in a language I don't know allows me to focus entirely o the music, including voice, as instruments.

As soon as an understandable language comes into play, it's like a different part of the brain takes over and the beauty of the music is lost, instead the brain is trying to decipher and understand the meaning of the words, and that's not music, it's prose set to backing tracks.

For one, too much vocals. For two, it's all super long stretched out sounds and all the songs (i've heard) sound exactly the same. There's no shifts in tone, no crescendo, no epicness.

I can’t wait for this album!

Vocals as an instrument is great, lyrics… eh. I got into post rock because as a musician, I’m listening to the composition, and even after a dozen listens to a track, I’m still tuning out the lyrics, I don’t think I could karaoke a single song beyond tequila from memory.

Going to see them in October. Sooooo stoked.

No lyrics, it's soundtrack to my life ;)

Just got the email announcing this and the album/merch pre-order. This is phenomenal.

I feel like the pricing is reasonable too which is refreshing.

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If it's a good song, it's a good song. Personally I like both.

Enemies and Laura are both masterful at using voices as an instrument

I agree

Instrumental preferred, vocals ok but sans screaming 😱

Oh and I did come across SouthPacific via a SG forum, but I get heavy postrock vibes from them. Lots of instrumentals help that.

Delayed Minds is another that crosses the streams well.

I really need to go back and revisit Mogwai. There were a few things I really liked by them as well, but I never glommed on heavily like so many do.

Yeah shoegaze is in a bit of an interesting state. Perhaps it always was. I was in high school when many of the bands that were considered the pillars were emerging and I don’t remember a huge cohesiveness with them, even if I did listen to them. Like I never really put Ride and MBV in the same bucket. But yeah today… a lot of the self proclaimed sg acts hit that Deftones or grunge pill a bit much. Much of it is meh, some is better than others, but the obsession with it HAVING to fall into the SG bucket is weird. It’s like cmon be your own thing and be fine with that. But there is good stuff out there.

So much nicer than last year's heat!