r/negativeutilitarians Oct 18 '24

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r/negativeutilitarians 17h ago

The Psychopathy Series by Dawn Drescher

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The series is written for three audiences:

  • people with psychopathic or narcissistic traits who want to understand themselves better
  • clinicians and researchers who want a more integrated framework
  • and curious laypeople who want to move beyond stereotypes.

 

Chapter 1: Why we need a new framework for understanding psychopathy, narcissism, and related presentation

I’ve spent about a year trying to understand psychopathy – not just from textbooks, but from friendships. Some of my friends score high on the Psychopathy Checklist Revised (PCL-R), and through countless conversations, I’ve come to see that “psychopathy” is not one thing but many things hiding under a single label. This creates problems. When researchers study “psychopathy,” they may be studying completely different populations. When clinicians treat “psychopathy,” they may be applying the same approach to people who need very different interventions. And when people try to understand themselves, they may find that the label fits in some ways but not others – leaving them more confused than before.

This series proposes a new framework: A multi-level taxonomy that distinguishes what you were born with, what your brain looks like now, what happened to you developmentally, what psychological structures you developed, how you behave, and how you understand your own agency. These are different lenses on the same phenomenon – and using all of them gives us a much richer picture than any single lens alone.

Chapter 2: Genes and brain: the biological foundations of psychopathy

When people ask “Is psychopathy genetic?” or “Is it in the brain?”, the answer is yes – but that’s not the whole story. Genetics and neurology form the substrate on which psychopathic presentations develop, but the substrate alone doesn’t determine the outcome. The same genetic loading can produce a successful surgeon or a convicted felon, depending on environment and development.

This article covers what we know about the biological foundations of psychopathy, with an emphasis on a distinction that matters enormously for understanding prognosis and intervention: primary vs. secondary presentations.

Chapter 3: Environment and development: how adversity shapes expression

Two people with identical genetic loading can turn out completely differently. One becomes a functional professional with stable relationships; the other becomes a violent criminal. The difference is often the environment – what happened during critical developmental periods. But “environment matters” is too vague to be useful.

This article develops a more precise picture: What kinds of environments lead to what kinds of outcomes? Why does controlling adversity produce different results than chaotic adversity? How do the pieces fit together?

Chapter 4: Psychodynamic structures: who you became

The substrate (G and N) and the shaping (E) produce the self (D). This is the level most people think of when they think about “who someone is” – not their genes or brain scans (not merely their outward behavior either), but their psychological organization, their characteristic patterns of relating, their attitudes and motivations, their experience of themselves.

This article describes the major D-level variants I’ve identified through conversations with friends who have these presentations. It also introduces the A level – how people with different presentations understand and narrate their own intentionality. These are modifiers, so it stands to reason that someone with only D-narcissistic would not be considered to be significantly psychopathic in any of the many senses, but I rather wanted to include more variants rather than fewer to make the system more expressive. This way it can be used to show, for example, that if someone has D-narcissistic and A-amnestic and acted violently in rage is not lying about not remembering it but actually doesn’t remember it, a sign that a diagnosis of ASPD would be unhelpful for them.

Chapter 5: How empathy fails: a process model

“Lack of empathy” is a core feature of psychopathy, but the phrase hides enormous variation. Someone who can’t perceive distress is different from someone who perceives it but feels nothing. Someone who feels distress but doesn’t care is different from someone who cares but acts anyway because rage overwhelms.

This article presents empathy as a pipeline with multiple stages, each of which can fail independently. Understanding where someone’s empathy fails helps predict their behavior and suggests different intervention approaches. I’ll call this pipeline C for connective or communicative, because it comprises more aspects than just the cognitive (simulation) and affective components that are commonly associated with empathy.

Chapter 6: Archetypal clusters: Who are you?

The previous articles described dimensions – G, N, E, D, B, A, C – and their variants. But people don’t come as random combinations of features. Certain profiles cluster together, producing recognizable types.

This article describes 13 clusters I’ve identified through conversations with friends and observation. These are hypotheses, not established categories – patterns I’ve noticed, not validated subtypes. But they may help you recognize yourself or people you know. The clusters are ordered by typical distress level – from those who are generally content to those who suffer chronically. Please take this assessment with a grain of salt as self-report and behaviors are unreliable guides to the actual intensity of the suffering. But I’ve tried not to make various common mistakes.

Chapter 7: Recovery, if you want it

This article is for people who want to consider change. That’s not everyone. Some people with psychopathic traits are perfectly content and functional. Some don’t experience their traits as problems. Some have built lives that work for them as they are.

If that’s you, this article isn’t a prescription. But if you’re curious about what’s possible – or if you’re experiencing distress and wondering what might help – this is an honest assessment.


r/negativeutilitarians 1d ago

What do you think the worst problems currently facing humanity are?

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From a negative utilitarian perspective, what do you think the worst problems facing humanity are, accounting for both the severity of the experience, the amount of time a person spends on that experience, and the number of people who undergo that experience.

For example, I would think the biggest problems are human trafficking, domestic abuse, forced labor, cancer, chronic pains (like migraines and lower back pain), animal agriculture, and general violence from war, genocide, and terrorism. All of these experiences are some of the worst pain someone can undergo, and are experienced by a large number of people.

I see cluster headaches mentioned often, and while definitely responsible for extreme suffering, I don’t think it should be included on the list due to the smaller number of people experiencing it. I’d like to hear your thoughts, though.


r/negativeutilitarians 2d ago

Slavery free Mondays - Tobias Leenaert

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r/negativeutilitarians 3d ago

Why antinatalists don't K*!! themselves ? - Lawrence Anton

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r/negativeutilitarians 4d ago

The Reversed Absurdity Heuristic

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Published May 2014

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The absurdity heuristic is an intuitive filter for unfamiliar ideas - if an idea gets intuitively (system one) tagged as silly, you disregard it. You may even mock it, to demonstrate to everyone else that you think like them.

Applied against ideas selected randomly from the set of all possible ideas, this is probably good epistemic hygiene. You don't have time to meticulously study every idea that comes along, and an instant filter that screens out ideas that aren't worth wasting cognitive load keeps you sane.

But I think it might be worth looking at ideas that get rejected solely because of the absurdity heuristic - ideas for which no one has bothered to articulate a proper counterargument. Every approximate heuristic has false negatives, and absurd-seeming things sometimes (though rarely) turn out to be true. Citation: We live in a universe that runs on quantum physics, literally everything is counterintuitive at the most fundamental level.

If an idea is embraced by some people even as everyone else is laughing at them, there has to be something about the idea that its proponents value even more than avoiding public ridicule (and, in general, people really want to avoid ridicule - as anyone who has been bullied can attest, it's extremely painful). Now, that reason could end up being megalomania, foolishness, sunk cost fallacy, belonging to a subculture with different standards of absurdity than your own, or any number of ways in which human minds are known to fail and probably a ton that aren't known - but sometimes it will be "because the idea is right".

tldr: If all you know of an idea is that it seems absurd, it is probably wrong. But if all anyone knows of an idea is that it is absurd (excepting its proponents), it might be worth looking at.


r/negativeutilitarians 5d ago

Demodex mites: large and neglected group of wild animals - Ren Ryba

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r/negativeutilitarians 6d ago

Shun offensive things: always, never, sometimes? - Kaj Sotala

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Suppose that taking offense is something that you do in response to something that you think lowers the status of either you, your group, or something that you hold dear. Now there are two extremes as to how to respond to possibly offensive things, both of them wrong:

  1. Shun anything that could cause offense to anyone. This is wrong because it would unreasonably restrict communication, because people can perceive something to lower their status when it doesn’t, and it would allow status grabs where groups decide what you’re allowed to say by arbitrarily defining things they don’t like as “offensive”.

  2. Say that being offended is your own fault, and maintain that anyone should be free to say anything they like, regardless of whether it offends someone. This is wrong because some words or expressions, when used in certain contexts, do genuinely attack people or groups by lowering their perceived status. Social norms that were offense-blind would strengthen existing status differences.

The challenge is finding social norms that are balanced between these two. E.g. slurs against a genuinely high-status group are more acceptable than slurs against a low-status group, but the status of a social group is constantly changing and different people have different ideas of a social group’s status.

Suppose that person X says something that offends person Y, but X thinks what she said was fine. This could be because of two reasons:

ㅤㅤA. X does think that her words might lower the status of Y’s group, but Y’s group does deserve to be taken down a notch.

ㅤㅤB. X genuinely did not intend her words to lower the status of Y’s group, and thinks that most listeners wouldn’t think that she did.

In the case of e.g. offensive drawings of Mohammed, either or both reasons could be true. X might think that all religions should be mocked because religion is for idiots (A). Alternatively, X might think that all religions get mocked but that doesn’t make them less valuable and important (B). Or X might think that yes, this does take lower a religion’s status, but only because that religion’s adherents have given it such a high status to start with. If they didn’t (in X’s mind) unreasonably privilege their own beliefs, they’d have no reason to be offended by an assertion that their religion is of no higher status than any other belief (A&B).

Online, it often seems to be the case that people fall prey to the illusion of transparency. If you’re with a group of friends who know you well, then it can be safe to say potentially offensive things, since your friends either share your opinion of the other group’s status, or know that you don’t mean any harm. But if you speak online, where not everybody does know you or your friends, then they cannot know what your intentions were.

People who go with the general strategy of shunning anything offensive tend to presume that reason A is always (or most often) the only right one, while people who think everyone should be free to say anything tend to presume that reason B is always (or most often) the only right one. I don’t think either assumption is right.


r/negativeutilitarians 6d ago

Is it necessary for humans to experience negative emotions, such as sadness, in order to feel happy or content with their lives? – David Pearce

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r/negativeutilitarians 7d ago

Burning Alive Is a Common Experience on This Planet

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r/negativeutilitarians 7d ago

A new framing to replace "Welfarism vs. Abolitionism" - Aidan Kankyoku

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r/negativeutilitarians 8d ago

Some problems with comparing factory farming to the holocaust - Devin Kalish

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r/negativeutilitarians 9d ago

Effective Reducetarianism — Will MacAskill

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r/negativeutilitarians 9d ago

How We Liberate Animals – Bentham's Bulldog

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r/negativeutilitarians 10d ago

The End of Veganism — Matt Ball

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r/negativeutilitarians 11d ago

Seeing the Full Picture (Advocacy Can Hurt Animals) — Matt Ball

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r/negativeutilitarians 11d ago

Benjamin Lay was a vegan, abolitionist dwarf in the 18th century - Tobias Leenaert

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r/negativeutilitarians 12d ago

The Lay Abolitionist, a personal reflection on and tribute to Benjamin Lay, more than three centuries on - Kenneth Diao

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r/negativeutilitarians 13d ago

On Responsibility and Death : Can we see reality for what it is or will it break us - Dawn Drescher

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r/negativeutilitarians 14d ago

Distrusting salience: Keeping unseen urgencies in mind - Magnus Vinding

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r/negativeutilitarians 15d ago

Interrogating the Symmetry Thesis - Veldran. CRS

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r/negativeutilitarians 16d ago

Once upon a time, meaning and purpose didn’t need to be found—they found us. - Veldran. Center for Reducing Suffering

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"Once upon a time, meaning and purpose didn’t need to be found—they found us. The task was survival: keeping warm, finding food, keeping the wolves and the raiders at bay. Purpose was immediate, physical, undeniable. Today, for many of us in rich, secure societies, the wolves are gone, replaced by hums and screens. The fridge is full, the house is warm, the algorithm knows our taste in movies. Comfort has triumphed over scarcity, security over danger, yet somehow many of us remain restless, anxious, and lost.

When purpose fades, the mind improvises. We are built to struggle, so we shrink our battles until they fit our circumstances. In the absence of famine, Wi-Fi outages become crises. Without invading armies, we wage moral wars on social media. Office politics turn into trench warfare. The human animal needs adversity to feel real, so when the old dragons die, we invent new ones—tiny, ridiculous, imaginary.

But the dragons never really died—they are just less immediately present in most of our lives. They hide in the industrial sheds where billions of animals endure torment, in the slums where poverty deprives, in the forests and oceans where wild creatures starve, are eaten alive, or fade slowly from disease.

Too often, the moral emergencies of our time are not screaming before us; they whisper, or stay hidden. Yet this doesn’t make them any less real. This is in many ways tragic. The silver lining, though, is that it offers us meaning and purpose. If we want meaning, we don’t, contra the existentialists, have to create it ourselves. If we want challenge, we don’t have to invent new dragons. We can find them in our efforts to reduce suffering.

What can we do? We don’t have to save the whole world. As we strive to do the most good that we can, we should remember that small actions matter. Every act of kindness, generosity, and compassion makes life a little better for someone. Like Dr. Rieux in Albert Camus’ The Plague, we can embody a quiet steadfastness in our actions, working to reduce suffering where we can. This would be deeply heroic.

Some chase grandiose projects—colonizing Mars, merging with AI—as if aggrandizement or escape were the only cures for our boredom and restlessness. But there is no need to look so far afield. Meaning is available right in front of us, in helping spare other sentient beings from harm. Arguably, this is among the most meaningful projects we can take on.

All this, of course, is easier said than done. But it is possible. If you’re interested in how to find meaning in reducing suffering, you might benefit from reading Compassionate Purpose "


r/negativeutilitarians 17d ago

"Eliminating suffering is the ultimate good; and every time we choose to do one thing, we are choosing not to do another" — excerpts from Letter to a Young Matt — Matt Ball

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r/negativeutilitarians 17d ago

Can breaking the law sometimes be right? - Brian Tomasik

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Note: This is very old and was written by a teenager

 

"It is impossible to develop one single rule applicable to all possible situations. This is true in nature when we attempt to classify all living organisms according to one set of criteria, only to find that some species defy neat categorization. This is also true in politics, for while moral and rational imperatives may justify a certain action in one circumstance, they may not justify the same action in other situations. Recognizing this limitation of generalization, I believe that, most of the time, individuals are only justified in breaking the law if it is done purely as a means of protest and not for any self-gain.

Laws are meant to be followed. Much of the time, they represent the most humane and far-sighted aspirations of a society. The most basic crime laws—although they are too often unfairly enforced—serve the essential purpose of guaranteeing individual safety and a degree of social order requisite for any kind of progress beyond anarchy and the accompanying rule of brute strength. More specifically targeted laws may provide more advanced benefits to society, from the creation of accessible facilities for people with disabilities to required limitations on deleterious power-plant emissions. It is precisely such rules and regulations that have allowed humans to advance culturally, intellectually, and scientifically throughout the history of civilization. Much of the time, laws genuinely manifest the human desire to ensure social equity and environmental sustainability against the often-selfish interests of the individual.

However, laws in and of themselves are neither inherently just nor invariably beneficent; they are, all too often, bastions of iniquity or instruments of repression. In such cases, it is the obligation of conscious citizens to strive to alter or reverse those laws. I personally prefer the pursuance of legal means in such an endeavor, which range from the lobbying of legislatures to the initiation of lawsuits. Such actions are effectual and entail no harm to other members of society. Nevertheless, the refusal to follow unjust laws through civil disobedience is another way of effecting change of policy, one which is justifiable under certain circumstances.

First, it must be done non-violently, in the footsteps of Thoreau, Gandhi, and King. Violent protest is not only wastefully destructive and occasionally injurious, but, more importantly, it is very often counterproductive. Nothing alienates members of the general population—including myself—from a cause more quickly than the use of violence. The outbreaks at the 1999 Seattle World Trade Organization protest—however dubious their origins or exaggerated their severity—made some Americans less willing to listen to the views of the protesters. Violence, moreover, provides the established powers with a justification for further repression. The 1881 assassination by a violent populist organization of the Russian tsar Alexander II—who had emancipated the serfs in 1863 and attempted various other reforms—led the successor to the throne, Alexander III, to end reform and extend repression by expanding the powers of the secret police, attacking proponents of constitutional monarchy, and imposing martial law in many areas. The 1914 assassination of Austrian Archduke Francis Ferdinand and his wife by a Bosnian member of the Black Hand led not only to a coercive Austrian ultimatum for Serbia but also to the immediate events precipitating World War I.

Secondly, civil disobedience must be resorted to only as a means of protest and never as a means of individual advantage. Peaceful resistance to an unjust law is a legitimate way of expressing opposition, just as important to a democratic society as marches, letters, or petitions; it represents the willingness of an individual to place the higher good of society over his or her own individual comfort and safety. On the other hand, the violation of laws in order to acquire money, power, or other objects of individual self-interest is not justifiable and is, in fact, entirely antithetical to legitimate civil disobedience. While a person engaged in civil disobedience is willing to go to jail for his or her principles, a person involved in individual acquisition is unwilling to endure any punishment for his or her avarice; while a person engaged in civil disobedience strives to make the system of laws more humane, just, and far-sighted, a person involved in individual acquisition is circumventing—and thereby effectively weakening—the very system of laws that collectively embodies the best aspirations of a society for its own welfare and the welfare of posterity."


r/negativeutilitarians 18d ago

Passive obedience and Berkeley’s moral philosophy - Matti Häyry

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