r/movies • u/ChiefLeef22 r/movies Contributor • 4h ago

Article ‘The Odyssey’ Proves It: Audiences Want Movies Made the Hard Way | This year's breakouts like 'Project Hail Mary' and 'Obsession' were made by filmmakers who sweated. While CG-stuffed franchise disappointments such as 'Supergirl,' 'Moana,' and 'The Mandalorian and Grogu' looked lazy.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/odyssey-box-office-2026-practical-effects-1236652219/
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u/DGanj 3h ago

Supergirl absolutely did. It's not going to ruin the studio but it was a failure (from a ROI standpoint)

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u/Morgan-Moonscar 3h ago

And unless Clayface and Superman II (Man of Tomorrow) make a lot more, it's gonna ruin a few careers.

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u/KitWalkerXXVII 3h ago

Clayface's budget is being cited as $40 million, which is pretty modest by studio feature standards. Not saying it's a guaranteed hit, but it would have to bomb pretty hard to flop.

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u/Master_Bruce 3h ago

And I mean, the Clayface story is great, so it’d be really hard to fuck it up

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u/Josh_Butterballs 3h ago

Great movies can still flop. Conversely, bad movies have done really well before at the box office. Shawshank Redemption is a famous example of a good movie failing at the box office when it released

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u/Master_Bruce 3h ago

I mean flopping is only in correlation to how much money it makes at the theaters, quality is quality for all time

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u/Josh_Butterballs 47m ago

That’s what I’m saying though. Clayface can be good but still flop. WB cares that it makes money or else it’s not a very compelling reason to keep the DCU going at least not in a way that doesn’t feel like an afterthought

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u/djc6535 2h ago

Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow is a great story too. Anything can be fucked up.

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u/never-fiftyone 3h ago

Studio execs: "hold my beer"

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u/mateushkush 3h ago

So far these execs banked on b-villain solo film from a horror auteur. As far as comic book films go, this one is a risky but smart move.

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u/AggressiveCuriosity 2h ago

Horror seems to be going mainstream right now. A good moment in time for the move if there ever was one.

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u/Omatzus 18m ago

Clayface is more like D-villain

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u/Master_Bruce 3h ago

“What if clayface just liked playing with clay the whole movie? Totally turn it on its head”

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u/Corgasm_ 3h ago

Studio execs: "it's morbin time"

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u/dumbass_tm 2h ago

But nobody other than deep comic book nerds actually care for clayface. The general population will see the name and not even register it. The trailer has to be extremely good for it to do “well”

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u/paecmaker 1h ago

TBH after watching the trailer, if I didn't know about Clayface before I would never have guessed it was connected to comic books.

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u/StoneGoldX 2h ago

There are like 17 Clayfaces with plenty of stories between them. It's very easy to fuck up. If you're just talking BTAS, that was an eventual Clayface story, not the Clayface story.

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u/Omatzus 15m ago

It feels a lot like Sony's Spider-Villains-Without-Spider-Man movies.

Many people are tired of comic book movies. This is definitely so if they don't even include characters that the audience actually cares about.

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u/danzanzibar 1h ago

Its DC. Theyll find a way.

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u/CrowdyFowl 7m ago

Counterpoint - who actually gives a shit about Clayface

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u/feed_me_moron 2h ago

If it's even halfway good, it'll make like 10 times that. Unlike the Spiderman villain movies, this doesn't look like it's trying to make an antihero out of the villain. Just a straight up body horror movie

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u/Omatzus 13m ago

Backrooms and Obsession didn't even make $200m and $300m respectively. Zero chance Clayface makes $400m.

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u/Awsomethingy 1h ago

That’s what people were saying about Woman of Tomorrow. Such great source material you couldn’t mess it up

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u/Coolman_Rosso 2h ago

Low for a CBM, while relatively high for a horror film. Interesting to see how it does

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u/Dunkelz 1h ago

And unless Clayface and Superman II (Man of Tomorrow) make a lot more

Is there any indication that Superman 2 won't be a hit? The first did great and that's dealing with the Superman/DC movie flop fatigue, which in my eyes it has reversed especially with the talk its been getting months after release.

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u/Morgan-Moonscar 25m ago

Superman didn't make nearly as much as they hoped, despite it being a critical success.

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u/Dunkelz 6m ago

It made over $600m on a $225m budget, I think they're pretty happy with that. I would honestly expect Man of Tomorrow to see a significant increase on that with how well the first was received.

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u/GrowingPeepers 3h ago

If those ruined careers means no more generic superhero movies then I'm ok with that.

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u/never-fiftyone 3h ago

I think we all know it won't mean that

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u/GrowingPeepers 3h ago

But we can hope.

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u/Morgan-Moonscar 3h ago

The prospect of the Epstein class (Daddy and Baby Ellison) turning Superman & Batman into Trump/Saudi propaganda isn't exactly anymore appealing.

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u/GrowingPeepers 3h ago

Well I didn't ask for that either.

Howbout just no more superman and batman?

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u/coolRedditUser 3h ago

I don't care for Superman but loved the latest one, so I'm not really feeling this

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u/Dismal_Bluebird1312 41m ago

I really enjoyed Superman. Heard Supergirl was awful and skipped it, but I’ll still go see Superman 2 if it’s not terrible

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u/FCKWPN 3h ago

Jared Leto is feverishly morbin' off in a corner somewhere thinking about those box office numbers.

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u/Timetraveller4k 2h ago

I liked that they expanded the superman/supergirl universe to outside earth. While this had a pretty weak and slow story line - I’m hoping this changes the trajectory of the future stories. Before the superman movie the franchise was getting darker and darker…

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u/TomClancy5873 3h ago

James gunns dcu not getting to a good start

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u/DGanj 2h ago

It's one bad movie; there were some stinkers in MCU phase one. The first Marvel movie after Iron Man was Incredible Hulk, and people basically forget that movie exists. Gunn's Superman was well received and even though it's a weird choice Clayface seems interesting, them you have Man of Tomorrow looking positive so far.