r/ketoduped Jan 13 '24

Good to know reminder

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r/ketoduped 23d ago

Top 4 Logical Fallacies used by Keto Gurus

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Appeal to Nature

The argument:

  1. That which is natural is good or right.
  2. N is natural.
  3. Therefore, N is good or right.

The logical fallacy is 1. However, in the case of Keto/Carnivore, even if we grant that 1 is true, 2 isn't true either.

From Wikipedia:

The appeal to nature is frequently utilized in commercial advertising because it successfully leverages a deep-seated cognitive heuristic known as the "naturalness bias." This bias causes consumers to quickly and automatically associate the term "natural" with positive attributes such as health, purity, and moral goodness, often overriding the need for scientific evidence. In consumer psychology, research demonstrates the tangible effects of this fallacy on purchasing behavior. For instance, a study by Pornpitakpan (2004) found that framing food or cosmetic products as "natural" not only significantly increased purchase intent but also resulted in a more favorable overall attitude towards the brand. 

Appeal to Incredulity

the argument:

  1. I cannot imagine how P could be true; therefore P must be false.
  2. I cannot imagine how P could be false; therefore P must be true.

This fallacy is especially clever, because it leverages the audience's incompetence as a warrant.

Let's combine it with the first fallacy:

"I don't understand how a carnivore diet be bad. We've been eating it for thousands of years."

This fallacy is especially insidious because it subtly shifts the burden of proof away from the person making the claim.

False Dilemma

A false dilemma, also referred to as false dichotomy or false binary, is an informal fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available. The source of the fallacy lies not in an invalid form of inference but in a false premise.

Example:

"For most people, you can't eat a lot of carbs or be at a healthy weight."

Notice how I added the qualifier "for most people" to seem reasonable. But anyone overweight hearing this will implicitly believe they are "most people"

Special Pleading

Special pleading is an informal fallacy wherein a person claims an exception to a general or universal principle, but the exception is unjustified.

Examples:

  1. "I only eat grass fed butter. Those studies don't apply to me."
  2. "I'm a lean mass hyper-responder. I'm a unique phenotype that's protected from the dangers of high LDL."
  3. "I have a CAC of zero. I'm safe from heart disease despite high LDL."

Now, the user of this fallacy will almost always try to dress it up in some other sciency mumbo-jumbo that is not evidence, or just mechanistic speculation.

1 is unjustified because there is no scientific evidence. 2 is unjustified because there is no scientific evidence that LMHR are protected from plaque formation (although Norwitz supporters in bad faith will act like you're claiming LMHR don't exist). 3 is unjustified because a Coronary Artery Calcium (CAC) score is a lagging indicator of heart disease. It measures calcified, hardened plaque that has built up in your arteries over many years. Because this buildup is the result of long-term atherosclerosis, the score reflects past damage rather than immediate, acute risk.


r/ketoduped 6h ago

What Harvard & USC Just Learned About Protein

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r/ketoduped 8h ago

Point & laugh Every Benz G-Wagon with a vanity plate that reads STATINS

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r/ketoduped 3d ago

Insanity Yes, “elite.”

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r/ketoduped 4d ago

The Science Behind The Cholesterol Code

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r/ketoduped 6d ago

Discussion Hang on... What *is* Bart Kay's background and why is he so touchy about it? 🤔

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r/ketoduped 7d ago

Keto scam site DietDoctor.com went bankrupt!

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r/ketoduped 8d ago

When are people going to realize that social media is fake?

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I came across a tiktok comment, like many that I've seen arguing against LDL cholesterol as being risk factors for CVD based on how particular social media influencers look as if that's a real indicator of CVD risk of course. In this case it was about Goatis.

If anyone's ever dived deep enough to learn more about him and known about him before a year ago they'd know him as was what previously known as, being Sv3ridge which is what was his username on his original YouTube channel before it got banned (it's back up again) for making a video where he promotes very underage girls to get pregnant by adult men and after this he made the account that he's now known for now, Goatis.

If you watch his videos on his old account you'll see that he had pretty advanced male pattern baldness and hair loss around the age of 30 and had a strange uneven skin tones all around his face and an underdeveloped jawline despite after years of preaching his then low carb raw meat diet and since then as you can guess he's had cosmetics done including either having a hair transplant or he just started to wear a wig which he hides the stitch like with the head band he wears.

But nonetheless I keep seeing and even meeting people personally compliment his looks and think his diet advice is sound based on that, he also at one point during his posting days on his old account having somewhat expressed muscle tone that he's since lost, suggesting by itself that he was probably a steroid user and eventually stopped.

This also applies to other social media influencers who advocate similar diets like Liver King as we all know including ones most of us don't know about like Mark Sisson where again, apparently Mark for years has been on TRT, takes anabolic steroids and previously had a hair transplant. The Internet is clearly fake but dipshits keep falling for its nonsense anyway.


r/ketoduped 9d ago

Insanity Gotta hit the protein goals!

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r/ketoduped 10d ago

Serious question about the keto/carnivore crowd. This is not sarcastic.

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I see so many keto/carnivore posts on social media (not necessarily reddit), where keto/carnivore dieters say things like "my cholesterol is high" (or my LDL is high), so I must be a "hyper absorber" and other related things. Does it not occur to them that most people would naturally have high
LDL since they're eating an insane amount of saturated fat daily? Like, why is there such a disconnect there? Genuine question.


r/ketoduped 10d ago

You think Keto cult is crazy? Read this

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"... before PUFA depletion I would burn within 20 minutes of being in the Sun, now I can be outside for up 4 hours in UV indices of 9-12 without being burned (As a Fitzpatrick Type 1 skin tone)"


r/ketoduped 11d ago

Keto issues The trail of death, broken bodies and failed organs from carnivore diet gonna be quite something when this is their attitude

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r/ketoduped 11d ago

Who needs honey roasted peanuts when you brought a month’s supply of dehydrated beef esophagus?

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r/ketoduped 11d ago

The sugar industry caused all of those heart attacks via tilting the scales of science. Also: 𝖘𝖊𝖊𝖉 𝖔𝖎𝖑𝖘

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r/ketoduped 12d ago

Insanity Now they’re using LLM’s to compose their requests for advice🤦

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r/ketoduped 13d ago

Heart Disease in non-agricultural populations

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"The hearts and aortae of 50 Masai men were collected at autopsy. These pastoral people are exceptionally active and fit and they consume diets of milk and meat. The intake of animal fat exceeds that of American men. Measurements of the aorta showed extensive atherosclerosis with lipid infiltration and fibrous changes but very few complicated lesions. The coronary arteries showed intimal thickening by atherosclerosis which equaled that of old U.S. men. The Masai vessels enlarge with age to more than compensate for this disease. It is speculated that the Masai are protected from their atherosclerosis by physical fitness which causes their coronary vessels to be capacious."

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article-abstract/95/1/26/167903?redirectedFrom=fulltext

"This cases series presents evidence for the presence of calcified plaques in the mummified remains of 3 young Inuit individuals living 500 years ago, suggesting the presence of atherosclerosis despite their vigorous lifestyle and marine-based diet. While we cannot know the incidence of ancient ischemic events, cardiovascular deaths were rare among mid-20th century Inuit people, similar to contemporary Amazonian Tsimane people, who have low-grade atherosclerosis and low incidence of cardiovascular death. The etiologic complexity of atherosclerosis confounds identification of single factors, such as ω-3 fatty acids, as causal or protective."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6991216/


r/ketoduped 13d ago

Point & laugh Barry Sears is still peddling his Zone diet, selling oatmeal for a low low price of $35.95

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Stumbled upon that fossil from the 90s, didn't know he was still in the game. If you don't know Zone, it is yet another variant of low-carb, composition roughly similar to first wave paleo from back when people started realizing Atkins doesn't work and pendulum was swinging back to lower fat.

Anyways, Barry indeed is still in the diet business and take a look at his oatmeal!

https://zoneliving.com/collections/best-sellers/products/zonerx-oatmeal-apple-cinnamon-6-pack?variant=50305971093816

12 pack of 2.1 ounce portion bags, 25.2 oz total. Normal Quaker oats costs $8.79 for 10 lbs (160 oz) at Costco. But.. but.. Barry's oats "enhances the release of satiety hormones that activate AMPK, your body's internal fat-burning switch"!

But oops, just as I was about to buy Barry's fat-burning oats I accidentally scrolled to the bottom of the page and saw fine print saying:

*Anti-inflammatory nutrition and supplements from Zone Labs, Inc. help reduce diet-induced inflammation, improve athletic performance, and lose excess body fat. Claims on our website have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. Zone Labs products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent disease. Individual results may vary. Information contained within our blogs are not intended for medical diagnosis or treatment. If you have a medical concern or issue, please consult your physician.

I fucking love the gall of Barry here. First he's like "Anti-inflammatory nutrition and supplements from Zone Labs, Inc. help reduce diet-induced inflammation, improve athletic performance, and lose excess body fat" and then in the very next sentence "Claims on our website have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration" and the classic "Individual results may vary" 😁 Barry's oats didn't burn your fat away? Too bad, it's your fault, you suck, individual results may vary, Barry clearly tried to warn you in small text far away from order button! You didn't listen!


r/ketoduped 14d ago

More Carnivore Cope

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I made a comment a few weeks ago on YouTube about my bad experience on the carnivore diet and I've been INUNDATED with carnivores claiming I am lying.

Why do they cope so hard instead of just accepting some people have a bad experience on their diet? Is it because it's a cult?

(Had lots of positive comments and people sharing their bad experiences on it too)


r/ketoduped 16d ago

Preying on sick Cardiologist with 20 years experience, last 10 promoting cardiac health through plant-based diet switches to animal based high-fat/low carb diets

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r/ketoduped 16d ago

New Keto-CTA preprint: It Got Worse...

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r/ketoduped 18d ago

One clear tell that deep down the duped know something is not right

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Their concern about their health markers! Observe any keto echo chamber. How often they go get blood tests. How they even wear glucose monitors. That is not the behavior of someone who is convinced what he's doing is healthy.


r/ketoduped 19d ago

How Bart Kay bends statistics to suit his narrative.

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Around one year ago I created a post on reddit in an attempt to highlight Bart's erroneous interpretation of a basic distribution graph from a study that he thinks refutes the lipid hypothesis: Bart Kay - the arrogant ex scientist who is in serious need of reschooling : r/ketoduped

In the original post, I criticized one of Bart's older videos. Recently though, it has come to my attention that Bart in modern time keeps misrepresenting and lying to his audience about what the distribution graph actually shows. I discovered this when I watched one video from the youtube channel CarnivoreTribe.

Here's that video: There is No link Between Heart disease & Cholesterol - Professor Bart Kay (timestamp: 8:00-8:15)

This is a textbook example of base rate neglect or the base rate fallacy. Bart pretends as if the distribution graph reflects incidences of heart attacks per 100 000. That is not the case. That is a lie and something he has just pulled from his ass. The distribution graph does NOT show incidences of heart attacks per 100 000. All it shows is the % of hospitalized patients with different ''LDL cholesterol'' levels (mg/dL). It's an event based graph exclusively. There is no complementary information about the people who did not experience a heart attack event, therefore we have no clue about the total population who were at risk of having a heart attack with the different levels of ''LDL cholesterol'', so therefore it's not possible to establish the incidences of heart attacks per 100 000.

So when is Bart gonna stop lying to his audience?! He will not stop anytime soon. It's therefore very important that we call him out on his BS and report him.

More posts will be created about Bart in the future... I want him gone on youtube.


r/ketoduped 20d ago

Bart Kay is wrong about 84 % of vegans quitting and 90 % reporting catastrophic health failure as the most common reason

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Sometimes it feels like the dude is freaking wrong about almost everything.

In this video: M. Nagra Vs A. Chaffee Analysis - Bart Kay and Former Fat Girl Nicole... LIVE - YouTube (timestamp: 2:38:20-2:38:45 and 3:27:20-3:28:25) Bart claims that 84 % of vegans quit and 90 % report severe health issues as the reason for doing thing so.

This is false. The 84 % figure is taken from this report by Faunalytics: HRC Study of Current & Former Vegetarians & Vegans Dec 2014

On page 4 in the report, it's super easy to confirm that the 84 % figure actually refers to vegetarians and vegans. One can run the math too: 10.2 %/(1.9 % + 10.2 %) ≈ 84.3 %.

So the 84 % figure actually refers to vegetarians/vegans. So let's now explore if 90 % of the quitters decided to quit due to severe health issues. All we have to do now is to go to page 6 in the report and read what it says under ''health''.

Then it says this: ''Former vegetarians/vegans were asked if they began to experience any of the following when they were eating a vegetarian/vegan diet: depression/anxiety, digestive problems, food allergies, low cholesterol, an eating disorder, thyroid problems, protein deficiency, B12 deficiency, calcium deficiency, iron deficiency, iodine deficiency, vitamin A deficiency, vitamin D deficiency, zinc deficiency.

The findings show that: 71% of former vegetarians/vegans experienced none of the above. It is quite noteworthy that such a small proportion of individuals experienced ill health.''

What the hell is Bart talking about?!

Here's another great summary page:

A Summary Of Faunalytics' Study Of Current And Former Vegetarians And Vegans - Faunalytics

This guy should get deplatformed.


r/ketoduped 20d ago

The optimal human carnivore diet needs plants

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