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u/Just_Nefariousness55 May 30 '26
A play is a bit of a relevant word there.
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u/GNTKertRats May 30 '26
No it isn’t. Racist creeps would also have been triggered by the play. It just wasn’t amplified on social media.
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u/MongoLikeCandy2112 May 31 '26
It’s not racist to criticize or question this casting decision. It was done for diversity reasons and not because she fit the part. It’s just another example of why people aren’t going to the movies much anymore.
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u/GNTKertRats May 31 '26
You haven’t even seen the movie, nor have you spoken to the director or others involved in the casting, yet you are so triggered that you go online to complain about “diversity.” Yeah, not racist at all /s
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u/MongoLikeCandy2112 May 31 '26
I don’t need to see the movie or have spoken to the director. All I have to do is read his statements online about why she was cast. Derp.
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u/Just_Nefariousness55 May 30 '26
Are you saying the casting decisions between plays and big budget movies are identical?
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u/GNTKertRats May 30 '26
No. I’m saying you are triggered by the very idea that a black woman would be cast as the standard of beauty, for a movie you haven’t even seen, and this tells me everything I need to know about your mindset.
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u/Just_Nefariousness55 May 30 '26
Is that the impersonal you or are you talking to me directly?
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u/GNTKertRats May 30 '26
Does it hit too close to home?
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u/Just_Nefariousness55 May 30 '26
No, I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
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u/GNTKertRats May 30 '26
Why does it matter?
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u/Just_Nefariousness55 May 30 '26
In the grand scheme of things I suppose it doesn't. Nothing truly matters. Be we are two humans (presumably), and we are here having a conversation, and the point of conversation is communication, which entails mutual understanding and clarity.
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u/Der_AlexF May 30 '26
Why? Do movies have an obligation to be inherently more realistic (whatever that means) than stage olays?
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u/Just_Nefariousness55 May 30 '26
Yes. It's called verisimilitude. The two mediums and their approach to willing suspension of disbelief are quite different. Of course it's possible to do what you want with either, but they come from different backgrounds in how the idea of realism is approached in fiction.
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u/AnnabelleNewell May 30 '26
It was still inaccurate then as it is now.
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u/Tidusx145 May 30 '26
You're right. The odyssey is an inaccurate portrayal of what actually happened in history. So the casting really doesnt matter. Good point!
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u/AnnabelleNewell May 30 '26
I can see you're illiterate. The people of the Odyssey were Greek in Origin whether the story is real or not. How would you feel if an African story or some other story with POC was taken and all the characters were made white to placate DEI? People still had issues with it when they had Eartha Kitt do it. Don't act like there wasn't backlash.
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u/GNTKertRats May 30 '26
Helen was NEVER a real person. Why are you so triggered by the existence of a beautiful black woman as Helen?
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u/AnnabelleNewell May 30 '26
Ad hominem. Also irrelevant as I never brought her up. You just want a reason to cry wolf by exclaiming racism.
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u/ConkerPrime May 29 '26 edited May 30 '26
If Helen was being played by someone as hot as Kitt was, don’t see the problem. Current casting just isn’t up to par. Too late now as is what it is.
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u/Old-Push9343 May 29 '26
I just don't get why this is such a huge deal. It's Chris Nolan's movie, let him do it the way he wants.
And if it really bothers you, just don't watch it.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 May 30 '26
because americans arent entitled too culture of the greek people. so if your not gonne respect it as a culturally greek thing endemic too their history and civilization you can use those resources for an orginal american production.
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u/Old-Push9343 May 30 '26
Isn't Chris Nolan british?
And culture is for everybody, it's something we share.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 May 30 '26
does it make a diffrence if he is and the production company isnt?
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u/Old-Push9343 May 30 '26
So look, if you don't like it you can just not watch it.
Or you would rather see the movie cancelled?
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 May 30 '26
o i am not. but considering there gonne blame people like me anways when it fails for ''not supporting'' the product they told me not too buy. See for instance the woman king and snow white.
yea no this is just a fun thing too be richtiously angry about. Doesnt matter what i say cadre of racist people just gonne accuse people of being racist wether they watch it and dislike it or dont watch it. the whole point is that you can only like it. thats why companies use this race baiting thing it make critism of there shit product seem good.hell maybe it will be good. and then Noland screwed himself over because he played into that sort of outrage marketing
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u/Altruistwhite May 29 '26
Nobody said its a huge deal, the casting is suspicious at best and there's nothing wrong with criticizing that.
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u/Tidusx145 May 30 '26
Lot of folks outing themselves as people who don't find black folks attractive.
I'm white as hell and think Lupita is a bombshell. She's also an awesome actress. Her casting made me more excited for the role.
I think this is a you problem, as in you should ask yourself why suspicion is your first reaction to a black woman being cast in a mythological role that has no real historical context.
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u/GNTKertRats May 30 '26
Snowflakes are triggered by the idea that a black woman is a standard of beauty.
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u/Plastic_Pin_4956 May 29 '26
Ok.... it's still really stupid
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u/GNTKertRats May 30 '26
No it’s not. Racist creeps being triggered by the idea that a black woman is the standard of beauty are stupid.
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u/DerLandmann May 29 '26
i am not okay with this historically incorrect representation!
Helen of Troy was the granddaughter of the God of War. She was dautgher to the Godess of retribution and of Zeus, who was impersonating a swan during her conceivment. She was hatched in an egg!
Where are the feathers, Christopher Nolan? Where is the blood-boiling rage to lay waste on cities, Mr. Director?
Dispaly Helen of Troy as she really was! Daisy Duck with massive anger issues!
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u/Mariner- May 30 '26
She is said to be pale and fair in every respected translation but go off
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u/DerLandmann May 30 '26
No. She was called "white-armed", which is an old methaphor for noble. It is a literary term, not a desciption of appearance.
It is a common error to give modern interpretation to old text.
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u/Ambitious_Mall9496 May 29 '26
I just want greek actors in ancient Greece
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u/GNTKertRats May 30 '26
No you don’t. You’re just triggered by the existence of a beautiful black woman.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 May 30 '26
stop ussing race as a shield. you know full well your full of beans.
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u/GNTKertRats May 30 '26
*you’re
Race as a shield? Ha! The whole reason you are triggered is because a black woman is being upheld as the standard of beauty. Stop being transparently racist and I’ll stop calling you out for your racism.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 May 30 '26
yea man there really arent black woman that i find atractive in this world. you totally found me out.
you just projecting racism cause there is no way too deffend this movie. hell your deffending a the ultra wealthy for this.1
u/GNTKertRats May 30 '26
You say there is no way to defend a movie you haven’t even seen? Yeah, I get it. I can’t convince you on the merits of the film because you haven’t seen the film. You are simply having an emotional meltdown over a movie trailer, because the very idea of a beautiful black woman as the standard of beauty makes you apoplectic. Grow up.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 May 30 '26
dude the''your just intimidated by woman'' dint work in 2014. its not gonne work 12 years later. I like black woman fine. i dont know why your so obsessed with playing this racial attraction card.
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u/GNTKertRats May 30 '26
You used quotation marks for words that are most definitely not mine. For example, I know which form of “you’re” to use, which is apparently a skill you do not possess. Also, I never said you were intimidated by women, though your objection to this non-claim makes it clear that you are very intimidated by strong and beautiful women, especially black women. What I said was that you are triggered and apoplectic. I suggest you look that word up in a dictionary, if you know how to use one.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 May 30 '26
i really hope that you dont think of yourself as insightfull. because holy shit man. the amound of woosh on you is remarkable.
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u/GNTKertRats May 30 '26
I’m not the one who goes online to cry about the fact that a black woman was cast as a fictional mythological character (and a minor character at that) in a movie that hasn’t even been released yet. You really need to learn to control your emotions. Maybe go outside and enjoy the weekend instead of melting down about the casting choices in a Hollywood film. Don’t you have any real problems?
Edit: you literally wrote that there was “no way to defend” this movie that hasn’t even been released. Ha! Okay buddy. We can all see that your ‘analysis’ is based purely on your emotional reaction to a trailer. Take a deep breath dude. You will survive this travesty of justice.
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u/Der_AlexF May 30 '26
So no actor is allowed to portray a nationality they don't belong to?
I'm sure you care just as much about Russell Crowe and Tom Cruise playing nazis. Or Liz Taylor and Rex Harrison playing Cleopatra and Ceasar respectively
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u/Individual-Log994 May 30 '26
Actually since Germans are European Cruise and Crow make sense. Elizabeth Taylor....not so much. Rex Harrison also played Sulla.
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u/Der_AlexF May 30 '26
But the person above me specifically bemoaned the lack of greek actors not european ones.
So either they disagree with all the other times actors acted a different nationality or there is one particular reason they suddenly care about it with this film
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u/GNTKertRats May 31 '26
We all know what the issue is, and it has nothing to do with whether someone is Greek or not. These racist snowflake creeps are triggered by the existence of a black woman as the standard of beauty.
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u/marlinspike May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
Bridgerton is a really great example of what can happen to a story when you focus just on character and not on baggage. It pays absolutely no regard to race in history. I think that lets the cast and characters do what their job is -- act, and lets audiences enjoy a whole new feeling. It doesn't have to be every show, but it's enjoyable.
It also lets you imagine scenarios where Ben Kingsley playing Gandhi is just interesting, and where an Asian actor playing MLK would be just interesting as well. It's art and these are wonderful actors to enjoy and there's so much more to the stories than the biases we bring. These actors let us discover that.
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u/AlternativePea6203 May 29 '26
I agree with it up to the point where the race is the point of the story. A bunch of various skin colour people in white hoods, attacking a group of variously skin coloured people and burning crosses in their yards would be very confusing.
Apart from that, best actor, no matter what shade.
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u/marlinspike May 29 '26
I don't think you can have it both ways - art is art. I support Lupita Nyong'o not because she's making a stand for a Black actor, but because she's making a stand for art and cinema and being able to tell stories without boundaries. Ben Kingley was an excellent Gandhi, and my grandfather marched with him.
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u/Grouchy_Ice_8342 May 29 '26
100%. She's a great actor. She should be seen as an artist not a prop.
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u/Ok_Boysenberry5849 May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
The obvious difference is that theater is not cinema. In theater the spectator does not expect visual realism; much is left to the imagination. Props are used in place of full costume. All you need to convey is an idea: "this is a beautiful woman", and your mind can fill in the blanks and adjust any discrepancies. Whereas in cinema realism is expected outside of certain extreme stylistic choices: if a movie has dinosaurs in it, you figure out the best possible way to make the damn dinosaurs look real (in theater you'd just have a dude in green makeup going "rawr").
In general in theater it is very common to have actors and actresses that don't match their characters exactly. You might have a young woman played by 50 year old actress or (more rarely) vice versa. It is also not infrequent to have women played by men or vice versa.
In cinema these choices/discrepancies are obviously much more jarring because the medium enables much more visual realism.
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u/SovereignGunner May 30 '26
I should be surprised that someone compared Tyrannosaurus Rex to humans in order to bolster their position, but this is Reddit.
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u/SebRev99 May 29 '26
The fuck did I just read
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u/rekiirek May 29 '26
An excuse to be racist.
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u/Altruistwhite May 29 '26
Nothing racist about that, anybody would be surprised if an Asian guy acted as Alexander in a film.
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u/AlternativePea6203 May 29 '26
Most people really don't care.
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u/Altruistwhite May 29 '26
It doesn't matter if they care or they don't, it's reasonable to believe they'd be surprised at the very least by the strange casting choice.
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u/SonOfJokeExplainer May 29 '26
Alexander was a real person, Helen is a fictional character from Greek mythology.
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u/Altruistwhite May 29 '26
Ok, how about a Black Mulan? Wouldn't you at the very least be surprised by that?
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u/SonOfJokeExplainer May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
Mulan is written as a Chinese character, Helen is written as a daughter of a God.
Do you think people would be just as upset if they cast a white actress as Helen?
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u/Mariner- May 30 '26
Helen is still ultimately Greek and every accurate translations list her as pale and fair.
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u/Greful May 29 '26
Idk if I’ve ever seen a more well written bullshit contrarian point in my life.
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u/FusRoDawg May 29 '26
Just... Look at the cast of hamilton?
Would you really cast daveed diggs to play thomas jefferson in an actual movie?
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u/Ok_Boysenberry5849 May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
maybe it's not well written, just true
It's supported by facts too -- black actors have taken up roles of white characters in theater for a long time with (relatively) limited controversy.
Two Centuries of Black Actors on the New York Stage – New York Theaterimho it's just obvious. If I'm in a theater and the actor is riding a horse made out of a broom, I barely even notice that an asian guy is playing a medieval european knight. I can just assume he is not meant to portray an asian-european knight, it's just an asian actor portraying a european knight.
If I'm in the cinema watching a historical movie with detailed costumes and backgrounds I will be more surprised by a race-swapped character and I will ask myself "How come this european knight is of asian origin? What's his backstory?". Which is distracting unless the intention is in fact to portray a highly improbable medieval european knight of asian background.
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u/KPSWZG May 29 '26
Nit to mention in ancient greek theather men played female roles as well. I have seen someone make this as argument pro Lupita once.
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u/Fit_Relationship6703 May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
https://youtube.com/shorts/g1ChMRuwZVo
Eartha Kitt is AMAZING!
"I am not black enough to be considered black, and not white enough to be considered white, and so I don't fit in anywhere...and I'm not sure I WANT to fit in."
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u/Individual-Log994 May 29 '26
So trying to use Eartha Kitt as an example is kind of wild. I personally think that who they cast in this movie is insulting to Greek culture. I mean Greek actresses do exist and frankly even the 2004 Helen was a little odd to me. Why doesn't Hollywood do a movie about the Empire of Axum? That was an Empire which was roughly where Ethiopia is now and VERY African. They were so powerful the ROMANS called them a great power. Instead they use a poor translation and spit on Greek culture. Hollywood at this point is just using movies to tax farm they could care less if it's good or not.
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u/Bigstyleguy May 29 '26
Just say you’re racist as fuck.
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u/Individual-Log994 May 29 '26
Or I'm not and that's basically all you have. A weak man screams lies but a true man discusses.
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u/DaydreamnNightmare May 29 '26
Why aren’t you outraged that a British-American director is in charge of this production instead of a Greek. 99% of the cast is not Greek but it’s one person that you have a problem with.
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u/Individual-Log994 May 29 '26
No actually I have issues with all of it. The wardrobe is horrible Tom Holland is not a good fit nor is Matt Damn Elliott Page or Zendaya. I spoke about her because that was the issue. I see what you're doing but frankly it's weak. And Nolan should have known better than to take this on.
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u/zombiemasterxxxxx May 29 '26
Getting outraged about the casting for this movie because of their race, especially calling it an 'insult' to Greek culture, is kinda insane considering the rest of this movie. It is not meant to be historically or mythically accurate in any way. It is simply outside of the scope of this movie. In my opinion, the casting matters the least out of any of the clear issues we've already seen with the movie. Casting a black woman as Helen is no more outrageous than casting Brad Pitt as Achilles.
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u/Individual-Log994 May 29 '26
Never said I liked that either but at the time it worked. I think this movie is nothing but a tax farm. But actually casting an African descended woman would make perfect sense as the wife of Mmemnon the African hero who helped Troy in the war. Not many people remember him but he was there in the myth. But here's also my thing. There are many African mythic tales but people would lose their minds if a white person took one of those roles. And Greeks were and are Mediterranean. So yes it matters as does this whole badly made movie.
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u/zombiemasterxxxxx May 29 '26
You entirely ignored my broader point that the movie isnt what you want it to be irregardless. I'd love a film with characters played by Greeks and assorted others, with historically accurate Mycenean armor. That sounds awesome. But this is not that movie- for crying out loud, did you even see Agamemnon? You're harping on one little historical/mythic inaccuracy in a movie unashamedly riddled with them. So no, I dont think the racial component matters, its the least important denominator here in comparison to all the other creative leaps of vision.
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u/Traditional-Set-1871 May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
But this persons point is, why are white non-Greek actors just fine, but black non-Greek actors is an outrage and a tax farm ??
EDIT: in response to a simple question and addition to what I thought was a civil debate, this person is now immediately accusing me of being a bot 🙄
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u/picknicksje85 May 29 '26
I just wouldn't take it too serious. I guess Greece should make a version with exclusively Greek people and in the Greek language. It's a big budget Hollywood fantasy movie. I think it's fine to cast famous actors, and good looking black actors. I look forward to it. I know it's not a documentary.
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u/phaesios May 29 '26
Famously greek actors Matt Damon and Anne Hathaway haven't been scrutinized for their roles the way Lupita has.
Wonder why...
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u/Downtown_Recover2105 May 29 '26
It's not about being greek it's about looking the part just like miles morales and black panther shouldn't be white because then they wouldn't look the part
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u/Puzzleheaded-Tea3341 May 29 '26
What inherent part of Helen of Troy's identity, character or experiences is centered around her skin color? Can you answer me that?
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u/darksugarfairy May 29 '26
This is always an argument when a white character's race gets changed. I understand how you could argue that in The Little mermaid, which is a folktale from Europe because and the only logical answer you could get is "well, she's written that way and she should stay that way" because with the exception if her red hair, it really did not matter what she looked
But this is mythology of a specific country/region. If they make a movie about Slavic or Nordic mythology I would expect everyone to be white, in the same way that I would expect everyone from mythology from East Asian countries to look East Asian or from African countries to look African. I genuinely do not understand why is that a difficult concept for some of you to grasp
Would you be ok with black Mulan?
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u/phaesios May 29 '26
But this is mythology of a specific country/region.
So which others of the many non greek and non mediterranean actors do you have an issue with?
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u/darksugarfairy May 29 '26
I don't even know where to start lol but let's not pretend that people have not had low expectations from this movie the moment we learned Matt Damon is going to be Odysseus. But ok, I'm looking at imdb now and I have problem with not 90% of them being western European/American and not looking Mediterranean from a few thousand years ago. The only ones who look like they could be are Benny Safdie, Himesh Patel, John Leguizamo, Shiloh Fernandez
Anne Hathaway and Charlize Theron can't move their faces properly anymore
I can't take John Bernithal as anything but an American lol even if he kinda looks ok
And you can't look more English than Tom Holland and Rob Pattison, even though I like him and he's very versatile
I know it's Nolan and he doesn't work with unknown actors but sooo many recognizable faces in something that's supposed to be very archaic is putting me off completely
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u/Puzzleheaded-Tea3341 May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
Helen of Troy was also a fictional character from what essentially is a folktale, but okay. She only appears in the Homeric works which were written 300 years after the Trojan Wars, and doesn't appear in any other tale from Greek Mythology. Its kind of like pretending Harry Potter is a prominent British mythological figure.
Unironically, I wouldn't care about a black or white Mulan, given the context is adjusted (say, modern retelling, or fantastical retelling), because her character and story revolves around being a woman in a male-exclusive military. That story works regardless what the skin color is of the characters (see Sara B Larson's Defy, which is Mulan, but white ya fantasy, or Tracy Banghart's Rebel wing, which is white Mulan in ya sci-fi.) One of the best Macbeth adaptations is Kurasawa's Throne of Blood, after all.
Considering Nolan's Oddysey is a far cry from historical realism in every single aspect, I find it a bit cringe, and extremely telling, if people choose to hone in on this casting decision, and not the polyutherane Spartan/Roman-inspired armor in a bronze era tale, the Viking ships, for example. Everything (at least what we know) in this movie is anachronistic and just wrong, but an actress skin color is what you choose to have an issue with? Ok.
Edit: given how much is wrong with the portrayal of the setting and characters thus far, I am half expecting Nolan to lean heavily on the meta aspect of the Oddysey, and this ends up being something like a retelling of a retelling. Within the original work, Oddyseus is constantly telling stories, both true and false, and that could be an interesting angle to explore which prior works haven't really done.
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u/darksugarfairy May 29 '26
Its kind of like pretending Harry Potter is a prominent British mythological figure.
Harry Potter being white is also not that important for him, right? It's his hair and eyes that are mentioned a milion times but if you want to one day make a remake of a remake and cast him as anything but white British boy, and then pretend people are racist for expecting him to look a certain way, you would just be dumb intentionally
Unironically, I wouldn't care about a black or white Mulan, given the context is adjusted (say, modern retelling, or fantastical retelling)
Than you would be in a very tiny minority surrounded by everyone else who would be ok with it simply out of spite lol ("well you were ok with this, now you have to be ok with that")
People are criticizing everything about this movie. It started with Matt Damon and then the first photo was released and his armour was wrong and then the next photo and the next and the next...
I think the main issue is that people have expectations of Nolan who was so far very eager to do things very realistically and present them in an original way as much ss possible, or at least that's what his fans have been preaching about for years, but this movie looks and sounds like Ridley Scott was making it. He had Gladiator, Napoleon and Kingdom of heaven which are those typical American movies about their version of some part of European history. Nolan had higher standard so far
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u/Downtown_Recover2105 May 29 '26
Well her identity is a greek goddess. being a greek goddess Greeks Greeks surely would've made her to look like them specially since Greeks thought non Greeks were inferior to them after all who would make their gods look like the ones they think are inferior to them . Character in the source she is said to be fair skinned and light colour haired so not much explanation to do there
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u/Puzzleheaded-Tea3341 May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
Right, seems you haven't read the Homeric works. Why should I take you seriously? Helen of Troy is a fictional character that originated from the Illiad and the Oddysey. Any other pieces she appears in are adaptations of Homer or came centuries after. She doesn't play any role in any Greek myths prior to Homer. She is not a goddess.
While she is described as pale, nothing in her characterization or in the story actually relates to her skin color beyond the superficial description.
Also, i don't know if you've noticed, but everything about Nolan's Oddysey is wrong and anachronistic. Even before this casting, it was obvious he didn't care about an accurate adaptation. The costumes are wrong (closer to medieval fantasy). The ships are wrong (they are viking ships). The dialogue is full of modern slang. If you care about an accurate adaptation, there are honestly way bigger issues than an actress' skin color. If you choose to only have an issue with this casting, and not everything else, idk what to tell you. Look in the mirror, and ask yourself: do you care because you are suddenly passionate about the Homeric works which you've never read, or were you told to be mad about about this issue by someone who hates black people?
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u/phaesios May 29 '26
So what did Helen of Troy look like in real life?
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u/Downtown_Recover2105 May 29 '26
According to the source material? Fair skinned and light colour haired
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u/Overrated_Sunshine May 29 '26
So neo-Nazis are fine, just because they’re not the “first time”?
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u/Solid_Ad_6109 May 29 '26
What is your twisted logic? First time nazis are condemnded as well as modern neo-nazis and this black lady from 1950 is not condemnded.
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u/Overrated_Sunshine May 29 '26
I’m not comparing her to Nazis. I’m just pointing out that a historical precedent does not make it right.
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u/Solid_Ad_6109 May 29 '26
There is still a flaw in your logic. If both old and modern nazi's condemned than both ladys are not condemned. If you condemn that old lady and praise old nazis only then your logic works which is disgusting.
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u/Overrated_Sunshine May 29 '26
Nobody says anything about condemning. A choice made in the past doesn’t mean that the same choice made in the present is correct.
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u/pixtax May 29 '26
From a historic perspective a black Helen isn’t even the worst misstep in this flick. Giants in 17th century full plate anyone?
If it bothers you don’t watch it.
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u/DemonGroover May 29 '26
And when we dont watch and it doesn't make billions you will cry "Why didnt everyone watch it?"
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u/Repulsive_Wash2519 May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
Stage performance context and historical context are different.
It was a small play in a theatre, only had a niche audience. (Size differences)
There were fewer actresses that could be selected for suitable performance back in the old days. (role supply)
It wasn't a WORLDWIDE movie screening that's available for everyone (for mass audience).
Nolan is one of the most popular/renowned director of this era, his movie and his motive have far far greater influence. (motif and influence)
You are comparing a local play that barely anyone knows or cares about.
Tho I'm totally not against Nolan picking a black woman portraying Helen. Oddessey was just a fiction. The interpretation can be re-imagined or re-conceptualised as long as the idealogy and the core values that have to be conveyed to the masses are still intact.
Conclusion: The hate towards Black casting was too much and forced. Those are just conservative retards who could never accept the real world as it is, and are secretly a Nazi at heart
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u/InternalCelery1337 May 29 '26
Blackwashing has for long been a problem in hollywood were both movies and companies have gone under for it. Alot because people are tired of being lectured how racist they are if they dont just accept the media narrative.
People just want to see a good movie and relax not be lectured. Just like you are doing right now.
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u/Your_Nipples May 29 '26
So I assume you were part of some focus group and got to see the movie early.
If not, it means you're stressed about a black woman already and her existence in this movie alone means it's lecturing you about racism.
Without her in it, you would have been "relaxed".
Correct?
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u/InternalCelery1337 May 29 '26
No but seeing how other movies that have gone after the similar trends im just making a logic assumption. But i belive its giving black acting a bad name. That they are handed a role just to fit criterias instead of being competent.
Some of the greatest actors out there are black but what will this kind of trend do for future generations is what im worried about.
I know you want to spin it that im racist but please have a bigger perspective.
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u/zombiemasterxxxxx May 29 '26
Were you the casting director? Have you seen her performance already?
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u/Repulsive_Wash2519 May 29 '26
If you want to relax just go watch those Marvels stuff. Cinéma ain't for you
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u/InternalCelery1337 May 29 '26
Thats the dumbest take iver ever seen. I love marvel, but i also love django unchained. Its not about what you think, its about taking established characters and fking it up.
This movie will bomb because of it
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u/Repulsive_Wash2519 May 29 '26
One can still love an art piece, but never understood it core values.
The same controversy as for the depiction of jesus as white or black or brown are still having a ridiculous debate these days
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u/InternalCelery1337 May 29 '26
Well we both know a white jesus is dumb, ive never been one for religious movies but messiah on netflix is pretty good.
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u/East-Cricket6421 May 29 '26
Hmm, I wonder if he did this specifically as nod to Welles then... that certainly would go a long way to explain the casting choice.
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u/hellohowdyworld May 29 '26
Everything else about the film feels like an old Hollywood pastiche so that tracks
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u/Kosstheboss May 29 '26
John Wayne played Ghengis Khan.
Everybody cool with that one?
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 May 30 '26
no thats why this is bad. dont you get it
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u/Kosstheboss May 30 '26
That's the point I was trying to make. Either everyone can play anyone. Based on who is good for the roll. And we decide who did a good performance by how well they became that character. Ya know, like acting.
Or, everyone can only play something they already are, like needing a blind voice actor to voice a blind cartoon character. This picking and choosing for equity's sake is ridiculous and has made film making a joke.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 May 30 '26
as it comes too acting i think if its a mythological cultural work you should respect the culture your borrowing from. especially at a scale where you could hire anyone like noland could.
voice acting, i think voice isnt racial but look is. you cant change your face, you can change your voice.
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u/Kosstheboss May 30 '26
I agree completely, you should cast according to the writer's vision when trying to portray it as close to original actual work. But, you can also do reimaginings. The problem in this particular case, is that they claim they are going to potray it accurately, like not including orchestral music, because it didn't exist then, but using rap and modern vernacular is ok? This is absurd.
For voice acting, anything goes in my opinion. The notion that you need a black actor to potray a fictional, animated, black character, when you already had a vlice actor portraying that character for 20 years, is just silliness.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 May 30 '26
nobody would mind if it was a modern re imagining. well maybe people would ask why that and not a classical. but that be about the art not the race which i find a toxic convo.
if it was odysee in space i think nolan might even have more fun
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u/Kosstheboss May 30 '26
Of course. The people saying I don't want black people in white roles is just ignorant and racist. But, saying we need a black person, a disabled person, and a woman of some color in every single film for it to even be considered legitimate, is also ignorant and racist.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 May 30 '26
white... sure, atciend greek not fitting with a african american pheno type. thats diffrent too me.
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u/DemonGroover May 29 '26
I thought we were more progressive....but that's right we are only progressive one way.
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u/ZealousidealNewt6679 May 29 '26
Casting her is in no way as problematic as casting a small woman as Achilles.
Basing your movie on The Odyssey written by a hardcore feminist, that is going to age badly.
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u/MrFonne May 29 '26
Basing your opinion on a film you haven't seen yet entirely based on rage bait, that's going to age well.
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u/emckelvy May 29 '26
You have no idea who’s playing Achilles. The rumor is Elliot is playing Elpenor.
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u/idhtftc May 29 '26
What? It came up organically.
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u/HOJK4thSon May 28 '26
Its funny because you had to go back 3/4 of a century and theater for an example.
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u/thewallamby May 28 '26
It's funny how hard you try to justify this bullshit....
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u/BreakImaginary1661 May 29 '26
I bet you have no issues with blue eyed Jesus though.
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u/Best-Intention8563 May 29 '26
If you ever touch grass all cultures have their own depiction of Jesus.
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u/EmperorGrinnar May 28 '26
MLK was a real person.
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u/EmperorGrinnar May 28 '26
I'm too dumb to know who that is.
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u/BedbugBandido May 29 '26
More like he would make Elon Musk look like Bill Gates. It's impossible to compare for sure but they are pretty close in terms of wealth. Filthy rich vs filthier rich.
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u/SectorEducational460 May 28 '26
I mean it depends on how good the movie is. If the movie is shit. She will be solely blamed for it, and it not. They will all pretend they liked her.
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u/NewbGingrich1 May 29 '26
Studios literally bake this shit into their decision making. They were 100% counting on the free marketing from culture wars nonsense, and now if it fails they get to blame it on those pesky internet racists instead of any of the decision makers.
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u/TheLimeyLemmon May 28 '26
She will be solely blamed for it
She'll be blamed anyway, it's culture war bollocks.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 May 30 '26
i cant believe there are people that dont get this shit. o wait i do. i just dont believe they do and are good people aswell