r/eu4 • u/PresenceSad4987 • 13h ago
Discussion I wish forming nations the 'historical way' gave you something special, as opposed to forming it as say Oirat or Austria
As a mimmaxer, I really struggle to find a reason to start as any other nation than Austria, Timurids or Oirat if I intend on doing any tag formations at all, simply because these nations are so powerful that starting as anything else feels like handicapping yourself for no clear reason.
For example, why would I play manchu->qing or daimyo->japan, when I could start as Oirat, conquer all of eurasia by 1550 and be 20 years ahead in technology and THEN form Qing or Japan or whatever? Why would I play any tag in europe besides Austria which can PU the entire continent, and can also form any tag you want? 99% of the time you miss out on absolutely zero flavor by starting as these tags instead of the historical intended starts.
I think the devs realized this was a problem towards the end of EU4's development cycle, which is why they added little special bonus modifiers if you formed tags a certain way, for example karabakh->armenia has a special mission branch and ardabil->persia has some special events. But I wish these were the norm and not the exception. I hate playing muscovy->russia, seeing my empire stretch from the baltic to siberia, and feeling disappointed because if I started as Oirat I could be three times bigger in size and ten times stronger, and there's absolutely nothing to show for it. There is no way to tell apart whether this is a very successful muscovy->russia run, or a really really shitty oirat->russia run.





