Sorry for my English. I am genuinely curious why they decided to do that. Not that many games have free research. In the original DOW we either had to produce infantry and delay your progress or produce less or even none and put your money on research to get to higher tier units first but having risk being attacked. If research is free then there is no problem and you can build your army and make progress at the same time.

I could have sworn I read something about one being planned but now that I'm trying to find info my google-fu is failing. Did I hallucinate this?

I've played through vanilla with all the races to knock the achievements out, so now I'm looking for expanding the campaign experience. So far I've tried:

Ultimate Apocalypse - was surprisingly fun with the DoW1 Marine campaign and Winter Assault, but the Dark Crusade AI doesn't work, and Soulstorm becomes hell as soon as the enemy has two bases on a bigger map, plus the mapfog has returned.

Titanium Wars - for Dark Crusade it's neat, but I've already played it before Definitive Edition and I don't think much has changed.

What other mods would you recommend?

So I play mostly 4v4 Oasis online, and at least on this map Tau just seems way too strong. There are of course tricks to it, such as using a libby/GK, using pulse with cron etc, but generally it feels that if I play Tau I can just spam firewarriors and win same as I can see a noob actually guide Tau to victory with the same strat.

My point is that in order to win Tau you *need* to outplay them and if you dont you just get pummeled by an undending barrage of plasma.

Am I imagining this or is this race just boring and overpowered on flat maps?

I finished the game today and when the ending happened and the cutscene that said 2007 appeared. my game minimized and then loaded back up dark crusade again. why did this happen is it normal with older games?

I decided to invest a bit more time and get some more nostalgia on way so I kinda made a menu based on the first game... It was a small detail not supposed to catch much attention but well there you have.

I’m really interested in getting into dawn of war, but the only other RTS multiplayer I’ve played is starcraft 2 and honestly I found that really tedious since so much of the gameplay is marinating your “cycle”.
I find it really boring since it’s literally just pressing a metric fuck ton of buttons to main ring ressources. Are all RTS like that or is that a StarCraft thing specifically ?

Has there been any word if I need to play/understand the previous games if I want to play 4? Heard excited talk it's supposed to be better then 3 at least. Is it its own separate game in the verse?

Sorry for my English. So If I am not mistaken they confirmed that it was not the latest version and they are working to fix visibility of the units. And there were some hints of that like Chaplains name still being Ezrael from space marine campaign. But I am curious was it more recent version or pretty old version that they used for multiplayer report? Because I remember Senior game designer Elliot on Deep Strike show saying that players from alpha tests wanted longer battles meaning that units were dying too quickly and they could not see all of that sync animations. But he said it like in the beginning of the Spring. That is why I am curious what version did they use for multiplayer. Because if it was the most latest version then I am afraid they have very little time to fix some issues and I really want this game to successed.

So, old player coming back after years upon years. Few friends got me back into playing the game again. This is for the Definitive Edition specifically.

I mostly play Chaos, Tau and Necrons...and I just cannot seem to beat Orks. Doesn't matter how experienced the player is playing them, I just can't seem to ever beat them. It seems like a lot of their units just completely green tide over me no matter what. For chaos I've tried raptor rushing, early grenade pushes, bolter defense focus, none of it seems to work. I've had some minor success on Necorns if I can drag the game out long enough, but that's rarely a luxury. Tau is majorly hit or miss, spamming Krook to keep the tide rush at bay at least somewhat seems to work sometimes...

So, I just need some level of advice. How the hell do I deal with these mushroom bastards.

Edit; I should of prefaced, I play against these guys, not against the AI that much. Skrims, usually 1v1v1 or 1v1.

I am a huge fan of Relic RTS. CoH 1, 2 and 3 are all great games. Dow3 was Relic attempting something new but it doesnt mean they have lost the magic sauce. Despite CoH3 being mediocre at launch, the game is great now after many updates and DLC. They know how to make a great tactical RTS so im very sad that they couldnt make DoW4. DoW4 is being worked on by Iron harvest dev and Iron harvest was not very good to say the least.

I think the new DOW4 should follow the Relic formula more closely. Free tech upg and troop spawn in mid battle should be removed. Dynamic squad movement and cover needs to be added. You have so much more tactical options in CoH2 and CoH3 because of the dynamic battlefield cover system. From all the gameplay weve seen, it's just mindless slogging with some bits of cover every now and then. I get that DOW4 is following the DoW1 formula but DoW2 made battle way more tactical and tense. It is possible to have huge battles and be tactical in small engagement.
Dynamic squad movement is frustrating at times but it makes the units feel alive.

Anyone else feeling the same?

I may be completely alone on this but I liked the fact that units have collisions. It added even more flavour and a nice touche to the gameplay, especially the importance of terrain.
Choke points WERE choke points, you can’t fit a tank and 2 squads of super-soldiers through it.
Disposing your units before a fight mattered, making sure that your far-ranged weaponry didn’t block your close ranged warriors.
I get that it aids the pathfinding, but imo I don’t see much difference, I still have squads going here and there despite myself telling them where to go.
And ALSO, I shouldn’t have to spend 5min finding a particular unit in my blob of infantry because they are all phasing trough one another.

Being back personal space : (

This is a balance whining post.

Damage on SoB listening posts feels nonexistent. I have seen too many cases where two or three squads attack a post and it kills 0 models because the damage is dogshit. The change to make it aoe just makes it so that models do not die, which means you can just take the point for free. It also makes the posts super weak to commander units, since they have to pay only a slight health when compared to other races' posts.

Meanwhile when you attack a post of another race, you have to pay the tax of losing a couple models, which you have to replace, along with their weapon. Other races can upgrade a post and have it more or less defend itself in early game, but SoB just cannot do this and that's bullshit. IG in particular comes to mind, since the listening post gun is better, they can teleport units inside AND they add damage.

Rant over.

Enough with the toxic positivity. 20 year old game has better mechanics like cover and morale etc. People just accept any slop put out.

Either that or Guard, but not having the arch enemy in a DoW game seems heretical in itself.

What faction is most likely in your opinion? I want my World Eaters!

I feel like a lot of people are trying to turn this game into a failure.
All the content creators on YouTube are talking about how bad the game is.

And sometimes even here, a lot of people are already treating the game as a flop.

HI All.
As the title says I’m completely new to the 40k series. Only played space marine 1/2 and dark tide. Really loved them and I bought dawn of war and the other 40k games.

As I’m completely new to RTS style of game
Any tips for me ? And guides to look at.
Ty so much for all your help.

I talk only about PvP.

I am in the strange zone that I can beat new players but have no chance against veterans.

It's hard for me to get many good games where both sides are equally skilled.

Sometimes I don't even know how I could possible beat my opponent.

I almost always play eldar on elite.

Basically what the title said, this is gonna be my first Dawn Of War, i found this video randomly and the point he's showing are concerning, yet valids for most of them

But what do you guys think about it ? I need some contrast in my bias haha