r/WritingWithAI • u/Chauvie • 5h ago
Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Writing well is not evidence against you (Fiction Edition)
DISCLAIMER: I read a lot more than I write, and fiction writing isn't exactly my wheelhouse. I'm a copywriter by trade and tend to focus more on non-fiction/marketing copy. But I recently got hired on to review some manuscripts and check for AI-generated content, so this is a "here's what I've been seeing" wrap-up after reading so much slop (and objections to turning down said slop) that I want to gouge my eyes out.
TL;DR: "Writing well" is not evidence against you. (I hear this objection all the time when I flag pieces for being AI-generated content, and it starts to grate on my nerves after a while.)
The issue is "writing well" in combination with some of the stuff below. Because someone who has excellent prose is not going to make all of these mistakes as consistently as AI. The flag is that the prose is perfect, and prose that perfect is not going to be written by someone who doesn't care about the story enough to address these issues (which are super easy to spot, and it takes just skimming the book to catch some of this stuff).
Let's look at the way it writes fiction as an example.
The issue with Claude, specifically, is that it writes excellent prose. It's lyrical, flows nicely, and reads beautifully. (Other AI tools have their own tells; I'm just picking on Claude as an example. Sorry, Claude!)
The problem is that a writer who writes prose that excellent would not then constantly make these mistakes:
- Knowledge management. Claude uses characters to deliver the narrative and does way too much exposition. Characters are treated like they're part of some hive mind and have information they shouldn't.
- Characters are too perfect (underlying problem is the same as #1, but it reads differently). They read with uncanny levels of detail (because of the way Claude treats them like narrative tools rather than focusing on making them feel like people). They automatically read other characters perfectly, and then Claude tries to retroactively justify it. (Think: Sherlock Holmes on steroids, to the point that it's comical and even the most serious scenes almost read as satire because of it. (Related to characters being too perfect: they also somehow manage to be perfectly composed/deliver entire speeches while stressed, under duress, and in life-threatening situations!)
- Characters serve as a "mouthpiece." Much of the character interaction/dialogue exists because the story needs it, not because the character would actually say it. Characters are constantly delivering exposition and tend to psychoanalyse other characters. This is a really lazy way to avoid action/getting to know a character through either their internal thoughts (if you're writing from their PoV), or to emphasise defining traits of a character because apparently AI doesn't trust the reader. Thematic summation is delivered heavy-handedly through dialogue.
- Perspective/PoV issues. I don't think I need to elaborate on this one. AI in general struggles to write in limited PoV. It does not understand the joy of third-person limited and unreliable narrators. (I blame the fanfiction community for this one, honestly.)
- It writes toward payoffs, rather than events. It tends to get sucked into "slice-of-life" fluff and every scene ends in a payoff that hasn't been earned.
- Every scene has a major emotional hit. Speaking of things that haven't been earned, Claude specifically likes to start dropping emotional hits before a reader would reasonably care about the character. (Another big issue I see in fanfiction, where you can tell the writer is emotionally invested in the characters to the point they can't stay objective for even the first part of the story.)
- It curates emotional moments. Slightly different than the last point—it knows people respond to emotion, so rather than trying to earn these moments through action and conflict, it provides them early and instantly.
- Constant repetition of motifs for symbolic weight. Another case of being unable to trust the reader!
- Friction is treated as something optional, rather than a requirement for the story to exist. Characters are messy. They should have conflicting interests and competing priorities. They should misread each other.
- Weird MC interactions. It makes sure the MC is "seen," almost compulsively. Every single character sees right through the MC to their underlying motivations. Whatever they're trying to hide, no matter how well, everyone sees it and typically sympathises. Claude specifically treats being neutral/indifferent toward the MC like a crime.
- Every significant moment is narrated, reflected on, and has massive emotional impact on the characters. In good storytelling, some of the "biggest" moments go unnoticed or downplayed until much later in the story. Characters react to each moment of significance immediately, undermining any potential for plot twists.
- Overly rhythmic structure. (As someone who loves to write with triads, AI just has way too many.)
- Em-dashes. Em-dashes by themselves aren't a tell. Em-dashes that see an increase in use during every emotional scene are.
- Overused internal thought, rather than reserving it for when something can't be conveyed any other way.
- Lots of narrating of micro-expressions.
- Too much parallelism, causing it to read like a sermon.
- QUALIFIERS. QUALIFIERS EVERYWHERE. Possibly the worst offender. ("Not quite X, but X")
- Use of negative space. (Lots of describing what's not present, rather than just describing the action what's happening. Unless a character really feels the absence of something, there's no reason to describe what's not there.)
- Vague. "Particular quality," "Something like X," rather than finding the actual word.
- Overuse of metaphors/similes.
- Overexplaining everything. Without a lot of training, Claude is particularly bad about trusting the action to stand on its own, rather than writing action that does its job. Action is almost always followed by interpretation and, true to form, it's usually through character dialogue.
- No dialogue fumbles. Lack of incomplete sentences, wrong words/misspeaking, awkward silences, and just not being able to find the words.
- Narrated backstories to establish character authority, rather than showing it through action. (I've probably already said this one somewhere in something above, but it needs its own line.)
- Scene/paragraph architecture. Even if the prose avoids repetitive words/overuse of rhythm, there's a certain structural pattern in how the scene plays out that almost always bleeds through. This one is huge. Even if someone has edited the piece to death for grammar, style, etc., this last one is harder to break. (And this is the piece AI checkers cannot seem to check for, since most of them are checking sentence-level structure, and ultimately, why people still currently make better AI checkers than the paid tools do.)
PS: And before anyone says, "But I see that in writing everywhere! It's not just AI!"
Put on your critical thinking hat for a sec and think about where AI probably gets most of its habits.
Unless AI is given access to a pirated library, it's trained on CC0 stuff, or things that are no longer copyrighted. It's trained on fanfiction and it does not care about what constitutes good vs bad writing/storytelling. It looks for the patterns, and what most people are doing. It's trained on quotes and blurbs and paragraphs shared on social, out of context.
So yes, most people probably make a good chunk of these mistakes.
But most people do not make them as consistently as AI because we have some semblance of self-awareness and tend to catch them on the re-read.
PPS: Feel free to chime in with your own things you've noticed. This is by no means an exhaustive list, just the main things that I see in content that's clearly AI-generated, off the top of my head. And yes, this particular combination is specific to Claude. I feel like certain ChatGPT models tend to be a bit harder for me to pin down (possibly because it's more about what it's not doing than what it is doing).
PPPS: I don't necessarily agree that sites should be checking for AI-generated content, but it's what gets me paid. As for what I feel personally, I think if you're just checking for what most of us consider "bad writing," you'll naturally weed out most AI-gen content. (Because most people using AI don't seem to put effort into actually training it, giving it guidelines, and helping it improve.)
🐈PSPSPS: I don't bother with AI checkers when reviewing content. By the time a piece gets to me, it has already passed a preliminary automated check by a team that uses tools that check for sentence-based patterns and common "signatures." I get hired to check for deeper structural issues in content. (Not sure which tools they use, just that it's not Winston because I told them I'd quit on the spot if I caught anyone using Winston.)
