r/wiedzmin Feb 10 '20

Books Guide to editions of the Witcher books

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This is a little project I compiled in last days, being an expansion on my previous covers of the Last Wish post. I wanted to list, and sort, all editions of books in the Witcher series, published in various languages (30 + Polish). Result of that ended in shape of a PDF file (6 MB) - which you can now browse and download!

Here is a sneak peek, if you can't right now (e.g. mobile), but want to see what is inside.

Take in mind, that it's still a WIP (supposed to by updated in future, at least once a year - as we can expect more editions after Netflix boosted series' popularity). So if you have anything to add or correct - please do! E.g. I miss many covers' artist names.

Besides that, here are some specific questions:

  • Which editions are sold in English-speaking countries except UK & USA?. I suppose American editions are sold in Canada, but what about e.g. Australia, South Africa, Singapore, New Zealand?

  • Are there any pirated editions, other than Iranian ones?

  • How is a witcher called in Dutch, Greek, Portuguese (European), Romanian, Swedish and Turkish translations?

  • Last but not least, which edition(s) do you own? :) And what do you think about it, both quality-wise, and translation itself?


r/wiedzmin 1d ago

Lady of the Lake Did Geralt die in the books or not? An analysis of the ending of "The Lady of the Lake" and other sources Spoiler

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Ceadmil!

The epilogue to The Witcher saga continues to spark heated debates among fans about what happened to Geralt. Did the Witcher survive, or did he die during the Pogrome in Rivia in June 1268? Many years later, we were given the epilogue to "Season of Storms", which was quite mysterious, as it suggested that the White Wolf might have returned to the Continent years later and this surprised many people, including me, because it had finally seemed as though he had died.

Every reader has the right to their own interpretation of the text, and today I’ll present mine to you, supported, of course, by specific excerpts from the books—because, after all, there could even have been a “resurrection” here.

Disclaimer here - i am using translator, because i own books in polish, so if you want check cites on you own you should have this on your mind that translated verison can be different than official english translation. Of course there will be spoilers from books. And i know, that games explained us how they "bring Geralt back" in Witcher 2. How he returned to Continent, but i want to focus only on books:

“Geralt was unconscious and as white as chalk. He lay motionless, but when they stood over him, he began to cough, wheeze, and spit blood. He started shaking, trembling so violently that Ciri couldn’t hold him. Yennefer knelt down beside him. Triss could see that her hands were trembling. She herself suddenly felt as weak as a child; her vision grew dark. Someone caught her, saving her from falling. She recognized Jaskier.

“It’s not working at all,” she heard Ciri’s voice, filled with despair. “Your magic isn’t healing him at all, Yennefer.”

“We’ve come…” Yennefer moved her lips with difficulty. “We’ve come too late.”

“Your magic isn’t working,” Ciri repeated, as if she hadn’t heard her. “What good is it, all your magic?”

You’re right, Ciri, Triss thought, feeling something tighten around her throat. We know how to summon hailstorms, but we can’t ward off death. Even though, on the surface, the latter seems easier.

“We sent for a healer,” said the dwarf standing next to Jaskier in a hoarse voice. “But he’s nowhere to be seen…”

“It’s too late for a healer,” said Triss, surprised by the calmness of her own voice.

“He’s dying.”

Geralt shuddered once more, coughed up blood, stiffened, and fell still. Jaskier, who was supporting Triss, sighed in despair; the dwarf cursed. Yennefer let out a wail; her face suddenly changed, contorting and becoming hideous.”

It seems that the Witcher died right at that moment. Ciri’s prophecy from Kaer Morhen had come true. After all, as it was written: “It can’t be word for word,” said Geralt, staring into the embers. “But the meaning if there’s any point in looking for meaning in this was this: Coën and I will die. Teeth will be our undoing. Both of us will be killed by teeth. His two. Mine three.”

Further descriptions of Geralt’s body suggest that he may already have been dead:
“Yennefer didn’t answer. She held Geralt’s limp head with both hands as it slipped through her grasp, repeating spells in a breaking voice.”

I will now move on to a few points that, in my opinion, suggest that the Witcher has returned to life.

1) The scene in which Ciri directs a beam of light at the Witcher.

What happens next? The unicorn Ihuarraquax appears, using his power to aid the Swallow: “The unicorn stepped closer, neighed again, pawed the ground, and struck the cobblestones hard with his hoof. He bowed his head. The horn protruding from its smooth forehead suddenly flared with a sharp light, a glow that momentarily dispelled the mist. Ciri touched the horn. Triss let out a muffled cry as she saw the girl’s eyes suddenly glow with a milky heat, as if she were surrounded by a fiery halo. Ciri didn’t hear her; she didn’t hear anyone. With one hand she still held the unicorn’s horn; with the other, she pointed toward the motionless witcher. A ribbon of shimmering light, glowing like lava, flowed from her fingers.”

I’d like to draw attention to the last sentence, which appeared earlier—specifically in "Time of Contempt", where Ciri healed the same unicorn with her power:

“Hael, Aenye!

The unicorn neighed wildly and tried to rise, bracing itself on its front legs. Ciri’s arm rose of its own accord, her hand formed the gesture on its own, and her lips cried out the spell of their own accord. A luminous, undulating brightness flowed from her fingers. The fire roared with flames. The waves of light radiating from her hand touched the unicorn’s wounded thigh, focused, and penetrated it.

“I want you to be healthy! I want this! Vess’hael, Aenye!”

So here we have the same spell that healed the mortally wounded unicorn. The only difference is that back then, Ciri drew power from the fire, whereas in the case of the witcher, she enlisted the help of the “little horse.” In both instances, there is mention of a mysterious “radiance” emanating from the girl’s fingers.

2) Geralt’s Condition on Apple Island.

Many people suggest that the place Geralt ended up in is the afterlife, a sort of Avalon from the world of King Artur, whose influence is particularly evident in this volume. In my opinion, it is simply another world to which he was taken along with Yennefer. Ciri wanted to give them their own place. What supports this view?

A) Geralt feels pain—“His stomach ached, his chest ached, his ribs ached, and the tight corset of bandages made it abundantly clear that the city of Rivia and the trident were not a nightmare.”

If Geralt was dead, why would he feel pain precisely where he was struck? Why would he need bandages if he were dead? Can you feel pain in the afterlife, too?

B) His beloved Yennefer was with the witcher; if Apple Tree Island were the afterlife, what would the sorceress be doing there? Did she die while casting spells? Perhaps, but the text in no way suggests that she died while healing the Witcher. It explicitly states that the sorceress was placed in the boat unconscious, not dead. “Jaskier was the first to figure it out. Perhaps because he knew the legend, having once read one of its poeticized versions. He picked up Yennefer, who was still unconscious.”

In this scene, Triss also asks if she can join the witcher and the sorceress. Ciri, however, replies, “Ciri,” Triss whispered. “Little sister… Let me sail with you…"

"You don’t even know what you’re asking for, Triss.”

What could that have meant? Ciri was likely aware that Triss would suffer if she found herself in a place where Geralt and Yennefer were happy together, and where she would have to watch them from the sidelines at best, because Geralt always chose Yennefer. So it wasn’t really about the girl transporting the Witcher and the sorceress to the afterlife.

3) Epilogue to “Season of Storms”

As you know, in the epilogue to the 2013 book, a character appears who bears a striking resemblance to Geralt. “That mare…” she managed to say, barely able to speak for excitement. “That mare is named Płotka. Because all your horses are named that. Because you’re Geralt of Rivia. Geralt the Witcher of Rivia.” He looked at her for a long time. He was silent. Nimue was silent too, her gaze fixed on the ground.

“What year is it?”

“One thousand three hundred…” “she raised her eyes in astonishment. One thousand three hundred seventy-three after the Rebirth.”

“If that’s the case,” the white-haired man rubbed his face with his gloved hand, “then Geralt of Rivia has been dead for a long time. He died one hundred and five years ago. But I think he’d be glad if…” He’d be glad that, after these one hundred and five years, people still remember him. That they remember who he was. Heck, they even remember his horse’s name. Yes, I think he’d be glad… If only he could know about it. Come on. I’ll walk you back.”

What does this quote mean? It means that Geralt hasn’t been seen on the Continent for 105 years. It’s widely believed that the witcher is dead. And his legend ended right there in Rivia. For this reason, I also believe that Geralt couldn’t have returned to the Continent the way it was portrayed in the games, since it was precisely during Nimue’s time that the legend of the White Wolf ended in Rivia, and Geralt had too much influence on what happened in the games for any historian, writer, or storyteller not to have mentioned it—but that’s just a brief digression 🙂.

Many people suggest that either Nimue dreamed this encounter —after all, the girl herself says, “I had a strange dream”—or that it wasn’t the Witcher at all, but an illusion created by the Aguara, since the figure speaks to her with the words, “Illusion—she heard from somewhere else, from very far away. “Everything is an illusion,” which the White Wolf had heard from that creature 128 years earlier (according to the letters, the events of *Season of Storms* take place in 1245). “An illusion,” he heard the aguara’s voice say. “Everything is an illusion.”

However, in my opinion, the character couldn’t have been the Aguara's illusion, simply because he’s quoting her… In that case, she might just as well have been Yarpen Zigrin. Below is a quote of what the dwarf said to Geralt just before the massacre.

“‘Progress,’ he said solemnly, ‘will dispel the darkness, because that’s what progress is for—just like, to put it bluntly, an ass is for shitting. It will get brighter and brighter, and we’ll be less and less afraid of the darkness and the Evil lurking within it. Perhaps a day will come when we’ll stop believing altogether that anything lurks in that darkness. We’ll mock such fears. Call them childish. Be ashamed of them! But darkness will always, always exist. And there will always be Evil in the darkness, there will always be fangs and claws, murder and blood. And there will always be a need for witchers.”

And what does the character from Season say?:

“‘Darkness still exists,’ he confirmed. “Despite the progress that is taking place—progress that we’re led to believe is meant to dispel the darkness, eliminate threats, and drive away fears. So far, progress has not achieved any major successes in this regard. So far, progress has only convinced us that darkness is nothing more than a superstition that dims the light, that there’s nothing to fear. But that’s not true. There is something to fear. Because darkness will always, always exist. And Evil will always run rampant in the darkness; there will always be fangs and claws, murder and blood in the darkness. And there will always be a need for witchers.”

The ending is practically identical. Aguara probably didn’t hear the Yarpens words spoke to Geralt right before the Rivian Pogrome🙂.

Furthermore, the character ultimately doesn’t deny that she is Geralt. In fact, she even suggests that she might be him. “—But…” she stammered. “But that was a hundred years ago… How is it possible that... How is it possible?

“Questions like that,” he interrupted her, still smiling, “must not be asked by a future student of Aretuza. A school where they teach that nothing is impossible. Because everything that’s impossible today will become possible tomorrow. That motto should be inscribed above the entrance to the academy that will soon be yours. Have a safe journey, Nimue. Take care. This is where we part ways.”

4) Andrzej Sapkowski reportedly confirmed to CD PROJEKT RED that Geralt survived the Rivian pogrome. Michał Madej, lead designer of The Witcher 1, mentioned it in the game’s behind-the-scenes footage that Mr. Sapkowski confirmed to the developers that the White Wolf survived the events in Rivia. Direct cite: " It's so mysterious that people who read those books are always arguing if Geralt survived or not. So Andrzej Sapkowski told us. He survived and so we can bring him back".

You can find it for example on YT named - The Witcher - Making Of video 2/5 - Story 1;00-1;10.

In my opinion, there may be one counterargument to the above theory. It’s the way Ciri tells this story to Galahad.

“And that,” Galahad asked after a moment, “is the end of the story?”

“Not at all,” Ciri protested, rubbing her foot against her other foot to brush off the dried sand that had stuck to her toes and soles. “Would you want the story to end like that? As if! I certainly wouldn’t!”

“So what happened next?”

“The usual,” she snorted. “They got married.”

“Tell me about it.”

“Oh, what’s there to tell? There was a grand wedding. Everyone came—Jaskier, Nenneke’s mother, Iola and Eurneid, Yarpen Zigrin, Vesemir, Eskel… Coën, Milva, Angouleme… And my Mistle… And I was there, drinking honey and wine. And they—I mean Geralt and Yennefer—had their own home later on and were happy, very, very happy. Just like in a fairy tale. You understand?

- Why are you crying, O Lady of the Lake?

But in my opinion, it was simply Ciri’s imagination of how she would want the story to really end. What a “happy ending” would be for her. She would want Mistle and the rest of her friends to live, but the world of The Witcher isn’t a fairy tale, even though in the future of the Continent, this story will grow into a legend.

That’s all from me! In my opinion, Geralt died during the massacre, but Ciri brought him back to life, and then, somehow, after more than 100 years, he returned to the Continent. The story has come full circle—the ancient serpent Uroboros has closed the loop. Geralt saved Nimue, who later guided Ciri to the right time and world. 🙂

What about you? Does my reasoning convince you? Or do you think I’ve overinterpreted any of these fragments of novels, and that, in your opinion, the Witcher actually died in the books? Let me know what you think!

Fanart found on The Witcher Wiki, credited to “Risef 15.”


r/wiedzmin 16h ago

The Witcher 2 [ENG] The Witcher 2 elf singing a war song in Vergen

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Hi I need a screenshot of what an elf is singing in Vergen in english, specifically this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czH5Ov3acDU

I don't have a save file in Vergen and would have to replay the game which would take some time... If someone has a save file in ENGLISH in Vergen, could you please record or take a screenshot of what exactly is that elf singing? I'm writing an essay about polish easter eggs and how they were transleted and that song is actually a polish war song, they just changed the lyrics to match the witcher's world.

I cannot find anyone anywhere on youtube recording this specific moment. I would be very greatful!!


r/wiedzmin 1d ago

Non-canon [P] Przepis na miksture wilczego snu. (POL)

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r/wiedzmin 2d ago

Games WITCHER: Contempt of Prophecies - Living Community Discord Roleplay Server for the Witcher TTRPG

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r/wiedzmin 2d ago

Canon 40 minutes of Queen Meve lore

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r/wiedzmin 4d ago

Art I saw this drawing by mellon_soup and had to turn it into a couple of doodles of the Hansa

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r/wiedzmin 4d ago

Blood of Elves Blood of Elves (Chapter 3 Question) Forget about him or her?

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I read the 3rd chapter just now and during Ciri's trance Ciri tells Triss something. Now I read a Turkish translation and Turkish doesnt have any gendered pronouns so I don't know what she says is "Forget him" or "Forget her". So who does Ciri (or the voice behind her) tell Triss to forget and not cause to suffer? Later we see Triss and Geralt talk about it and learn that Ciri whispered the same words while Geralt was holding her. I assume she tells Triss to forget Geralt but I am not really sure it can also refer to Ciri herself.


r/wiedzmin 5d ago

The Witcher 1 First Time playing the Witcher EVER Spoiler

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r/wiedzmin 10d ago

The Witcher 3 Adapting Yennefer: catastrophic failures of the early witcher 3 scripts

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I'm actually surprised I haven't seen anyone seriously discuss how different CDPR wrote Yen in 2012 compared to 2015 and even now. Years of development was wasted on a shallow, marred misunderstanding of Yennefer and that almost resulted in an adaptation of her character worse than the Netflix series and that is a very low bar to clear. The early scripts can be found here: https://github.com/glassfish777/WhatLiesUnseen/releases

Many may be aware of xLetalis’ videos on this subject, however he has the issue of glossing over the scripts that make it seem like the final game dropped the ball and the cuts ruined the story. A lot of people have a belief that cut content is always better than the final cut and needs to be restored, but a lot of this was removed or changed for good reason. Had they not committed years to bad ideas of the source material, they may have had time to actually flesh out plot points that had to be cut so heavily (particularly the political plot).

Brainstorming essential features

>"We've approached the matter very methodically: first we had a brainstorm on the essential features of Yennefer that made her so special. We knew that for her character to be believable, she must have a personal purpose for the sake of which she would be ready to move mountains. That was the critical moment for us, because for a while we feared that if her motivation was too similar to Geralt's, Yennefer would lose her individualism. It quickly dawned on us, however, that the only thing in the world for which the sorceress would be willing to bear any sacrifice would be to rescue Ciri, and looking for an alternative motivation for her seemed forced and doomed from the start. It was then when we came to the conclusion that Yennefer resorts to vastly different methods than Geralt, so we were confident that both characters will be distinct and consistent.” 

-Karolina Stachyra, senior writer of The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 

(https://www.gamepressure.com/editorials/how-yennefer-was-brought-to-life-and-won-your-hearts-in-the-witch/zbe6)

Before The Brothers in Arms, this comment actually hints at a lot of CDPR’s mistakes in their early adaption of Yennefer and it makes it obvious what conclusions they came to from their list of “essential features”. It becomes apparent that some writers (or one specific writer) was more interested in self indulgent fan fiction rather than adaptation.

The “essential feature”: Yennefer’s obsession over curing her infertility 

>“That was the same kind of thought that I had with The Last Wish. My first idea was probably the most edgy, and that's one that we decided not to go with.” In the lore, sorceresses can’t bear children because of a powerful ritual they undergo to reinforce their latent powers. Sasko’s first idea revolved around Yennefer’s wish to restore the one thing she couldn’t have in the world — the thing she couldn’t control about her own body, itself already transformed with magic. [...] The previous idea I mentioned would make her feel a bit more egotistic, because it's more about her rather than about you together. It was important for us that she doesn't seem cold as a person, because Geralt is incredibly important in her life.” 

-Paweł Sasko

(https://www.dbltap.com/features/the-witcher-3-making-of-the-last-wish)

The wrong conclusion: Yen must want to cure her infertility so she can finally have a baby.

The glaring mistake overlooked from the books: Yen completed this character arc in Blood of Elves through her adoption of Ciri and this mother-daughter relationship is explicit throughout the books. Her infertility was never about being a “health issue”, but her lack of unconditional love that she wrongly believed could only be achieved by having a biological offspring.

The “essential feature”: Sorceresses love politics

>Yennefer: Your short-sightedness and naivety don't stop to astonish me...I don't care about the throne of Skellige. It's the Nilfgaardian one. If Becca becomes queen, she'll never come back to Emhyr. It will eventually spread that his wife left him and rules the enemies of the empire. Can you imagine what a scandal this will be? Emhyr's getting weaker, it'd be too much for him. Corporations will deprive him of power... And then he won't hand it over to his daughter. Now do you understand? If Becca wins Skellige, Ciri will lose the Empire.

>Geralt: You count your chicks before they hatch…

>Yennefer: It's called forward thinking. I'd be good for you to learn it once.

>Geralt isn't concerned, he's at odds with Yennefer's plans regarding Ciri and would rather that the girl was the one making the decision. Yen has already conceived a plan to avoid Becca's coronation.

[…]

>Geralt: You'd do anything for politics... Even sell your body.

>Yennefer: Not for politics. For Ciri. I'm sorry you don't understand it... And that you think of me like this

>Geralt: You will fuck for Ciri? That's ridiculous, Yen!

>Yennefer: I thought we already agreed that we both want to place Ciri on the Nilfgaardian throne…

>Geralt: We did. But there was no mention we'd do it at any cost

-What Lies Unseen Volume 2 pg 182

The wrong conclusion: Yennefer is a Nilfgaardian plant obsessed with politics who is only using Ciri as a pawn

The glaring issues: everything! Yennefer was not as involved with politics as CDPR claims and she certainly was not interested in using Ciri as a political pawn. The emperor of Nilfgaard married fake Ciri and already laid claim to Cintra in Lady of the Lake (pages 437-442). This political plot would track for Philipa (minus the FUCK FOR CIRI weird porno thing) and in the final script she states exactly that she would want Ciri on the nilfgaardian throne with herself as the advisor. 

>”[...] But who is Yennefer tied to? You said, Artuad, that she is one of those who are serving kings.”

>”Artuad exaggerated,” said Tissaia calmly. “Yennefer is living in Vengerberg so Demavend sometimes turns to her for help, but they do not work together all the time. It cannot be said for certain that she is serving Demavend.”

-Blood of Elves pg 281

>Philipa: All very romantic, but perhaps instead of destroying the girl’s life, you could take Yennefer with you. And go.

>Geralt: You want to take Yen’s place at Emhyr’s side.

>Philipa: And at Ciri’s. I think you understand that it's inevitable. And I would truly prefer Yennefer to be far away when it happens. Holding her in the imperial dungeon would be costly. And it would give the wrong impression.

-Witcher 3

The “essential feature”: Yennefer the mother, Geralt the father

>Yennefer: Geralt, listen. We don't have to be enemies after all! We both want to save Ciri

>Geralt: Yes, but for as long as I can remember, you would most like to see her on the throne of Cintra. She is not like you, Yen…

>Yennefer: Well, yes, you would certainly want to make a mercenary out of her, for a measly pittance she would expose herself to people who would consider her a degenerate and a monster

>Geralt: Monster? Am I also a monster to you? You supposedly loved me once, Yen

>Yennefer: Forgive me, I.... I think I still love you

-What Lies Unseen Volume 1 pg 215

>Yennefer: Geralt... She is no longer a child.

>Geralt: To me, she will always be a little girl with scraped knees, wielding a wooden sword…

>Yennefer: I never understood why she prefers running around a den of iniquity rather than studying magic…

-What Lies Unseen Volume 2 pg 32

>While talking, Becca appears and interjects, asking if she can also come to the wake. Yen scolds the girl and tells her that she has caused enough trouble by suggesting she nominate herself as a candidate. She tells Geralt to meet with a tailor called Sjusta and they part ways.

>Becca and Yennefer’s treatment of her is meant to be used as a means of conveying Yennefer’s feelings for Ciri towards newcomers

-What Lies Unseen Volume 1 pg 134

The wrong conclusion: Yennefer is the overbearing, controlling fairy tale step mother who is nothing like the daughter and always wanted to use her for politics. Geralt the freedom loving, compassionate father whom Ciri takes after 100% and only wants her to make her own decisions.

The glaring mistake: What Yennefer believed was “best” for Ciri was enrollment at Aretuza away from the war with Nilfgaard. Unfortunately she and Tissaia made a grave mistake at Thanned (Time of Contempt pg 212-217) believing that Ciri’s trance would stop a political plot but instead, in their ignorance, helped trigger the bloody conflict.

Yennefer is also knowledgeable about witcher techniques and about Kaer Morhen, she did not disapprove of Ciri’s witchering, in fact, she encouraged it. Ciri’s witchering and her magic were complimentary until she regretfully renounced magic when she tried to draw from fire.

>To relax, they once again ran around the park. Yennefer persuaded Nenneke to take Ciri’s sword out of storage and so enabled the girl to practice her steps, dodges and attacks—in secret, of course, to prevent the other priestesses and novices seeing her. But magic was omnipresent. Ciri learned how—using simple spells and focussing her will—to relax her muscles, combat cramps, control adrenalin, how to master her aural labyrinth and its nerve, how to slow or speed her pulse and how to cope without oxygen for short periods.

>The lady magician knew a surprising amount about witcher sword and “dance.” She knew a great deal about the secrets of Kaer Morhen; there was no doubt she had visited the Keep.

-Blood of Elves pg 349

>”So… it's true, after all. There is going to be a war. Is that why we have to leave?”

>”Let's not talk about it. Let's not worry too soon.”

-Blood of Elves pg 312

>“I've figured it out. You want to put me in some school or orphanage, don't you? I don't want to go!”

>[...]

>”Whatever I say will be the best for you. Always. Which is why you will obey me and carry out my instructions. Is that clear? Rein your horse. We're here.”

-Time of Contempt pg 62-63

>”Ciri,” said the enchantress softly. “I once told you that everything I do is for your own good. Trust me. Trust me, I beg you. Now run for it”

-Time of Contempt pg 217

The “essential feature”: Yennefer and Geralt tumultuous relationship 

>Geralt can say that it is wonderful, this plan of hers: Ciri on the throne, no matter what she thinks about it, and Yen as her advisor, he bets. Thing is, he doesn't see himself anywhere there. Shame. He accuses Yen of only ever looking out for herself. Yen accuses Geralt of calling her an egoist. And who roamed the world playing Foltest's avenger while Yen sought to find Ciri? Who searched for the "witchers' secrets" in the boudoir, kitchen or vegetable garden of every slut who crossed his path?

>Geralt can tell Yen to listen but she is far too angry now and tells Geralt to listen to her. She doesn't actually give a damn who Geralt slept with or what he wore to the feast! But she can't bear that he forgot about her. Because she never forgot about him. Not after she left the Hunt, not when the emperor's mages probed her mind. She forgot everything, her own name, but she remembered Geralt.

>Geralt says that maybe he preferred to forget. Maybe he didn't want to remember her. Maybe it was instinctual - he had to forget you to survive. Face it: when they talk about themselves, they can't agree on anything. If they go on like this much longer, they'll kill each other before they find Ciri. Yen says that Geralt is right. Geralt says he's no saint, never has been. And it's never bothered Yen before. The isle, Avalon, changed everything. At least it did for him. Yen says it did for her and apologizes for disappointing Geralt. This path goes to them splitting up for the search.

-What Lies Unseen Volume 2 pg 155

The wrong conclusion: Geralt always despised Yen and hated her throughout the book series. The amnesia only freed him of her.

The glaring mistake: retcons their entire relationship from the books. Completely fails to adapt anything and only comes across as a writer who glazed over every time Yen was mentioned on the page especially when it comes to what they both agree on: Ciri. Additionally, it is an attempt at redirecting large plot holes from the first game at the books to explain that Yen was so extremely awful and Geralt truly despised her that everyone was pretending that Yen and Ciri didn't exist to save him from the witch. The mention of Avalon changing everything doesn't make sense from the witcher 2 either given Geralt pursued the hunt when they took her and gave himself up for Yennefer.

>”Lie still, my darling. Lie still. I'm beside you. It doesn't matter what happened, doesn't matter where we were. Now I'm beside you. And I'll never leave you. Never.”

>”I love you, Yen.”

>”I know.”

-Lady of the Lake pg 543

Amateur script writing

Most odd is actually some of the scripts itself. To be blunt, this writing is fit for amateur satirical smut on certain fanfiction websites.

>Yennefer: Have you come to see my butterfly collection? I lied to you. I don't have any butterflies. And what are you going to do to me now

>Geralt: Mhm.

>Yennefer: I knew I'd lure you in with the promise of a discussion about politics.

>Geralt: You know my passions like few others

>Yennefer: Where would one begin.... Have you thought about what it would be like to be a king? Imagine that you can absolutely do anything.... Fulfill every whim…

>Geralt: I like the idea.... I already know what I will do.

>Yennefer: Yes, my deadly handsome suzerain?

>Geralt: I'll tie you up. Give me the handcuffs.

>Yennefer: Gosh. Silly me. I cast a silencing spell and no one will hear my pleas for mercy.... Oh, I am completely at your mercy.... And what now?

>Geralt: Don't count on the witcher's mercy. We are mutants devoid of feelings

-What Lies Unseen Volume 1 pg 210-211

Quick list of failures: politics, king Geralt??, butterfly collection?????, 50 shades of what? This is honestly the most offensive adaption of the Witcher characters so far even for Netflix standards. This horrendous snippet reads almost exactly like the Var Attre sisters which was also fleshed out in this version of the script. The dialogue in that quest even in the final game is very, very cringe but it came across as satirical given it did not fit with most of the rest of the game. It seriously cannot be understated how embarrassing it is for a writer to seriously write this down even as a first draft. 

Reading this script did actually clue me into why I did not enjoy certain dialogues in the final game; some early dialogue is like very corny YA novel melodrama or bad erotica roleplay. Other dialogue comes across as a writer projecting their thoughts rather than a character expressing their own.

The left over narrative 

There is a vast difference between 2015 Yen and 2012-2013 Yen; it seems CDPR did an almost 180 degree turn on Yen as a character. Was it possibly due to someone re-reading the series when The Season of Storms came out in 2013? Or maybe a change in the writing room where someone correctly identified the biggest ball and chain that was truly taking over the narrative. Is this a story about saving Ciri? Or is it about how much a political scheming ho Yen is?

One could even argue CDPR did an almost full 360 from the end of the books until the final W3 script. "Almost" because even without knowing the old scripts, many noticed that Yen in W3 wasn't quite the same as she was by the end of the saga with a dash of Nilfgaardian patriotism. The old narrative and cut content still lingers.

The entire political plotline was marred from the attempt at trying to whitewash their attempt at making Yen a Nilfgaardian politophile. The entire Nilfgaardian plot from the books was retconned in the games to try to make this narrative less nonsensical because why would Yennefer, hand over fist, force her will upon Geralt and Ciri for the empire so she could… what? Control Ciri to take over the empire and make Geralt king? A far, far cry from the books. An extremely far cry.

The prophecy of Ciri's child had been removed or forgotten to work in the retcon of the White Frost so that Ciri could have a final choice, but it also made way to make Yen's plot slightly less insidious. Had she also been banking on a pseudo grandchild, ruler of worlds, so she could be in control just as The Lodge wanted in the books?

Much of Yen and Ciri’s interactions, the few moments in the final game, came after the 2013 script. The entirety of act 3 would have Yen and Triss as interchangeable NPCs. Yennefer has barely anything to do with Ciri if Geralt is banging red pubes, she's just a brief participant along with the rest of The Lodge. Ciri’s line of contempt for Yennefer was kept in the final game until 2023 when it was finally removed given there was zero basis to have it in the final cut at all. edit: Nope, bullshit line is still there

Still, the final script in W3 mostly succeeds in showing that Yen's main objective is Ciri and that she cares about her above all else. And conversions around Cerys (formally Becca) like between Crach and Yen are no longer driven by trying to undercut Yen's role as mother to Ciri and instead show her belief in a daughter’s autonomy and likeness to her parent.

>Crach: may the best man… or woman… win!

>Crach: what's gotten into her…

>Yennefer: she's your daughter, is she not?

-Witcher 3

It’s impossible to reconcile a 2012-2013 Yen with the scenes added in act 3 where Yen and Geralt are comically caught eavesdropping on Ciri or Yen mildly participating in trashing the lab. The old narrative was diametrically opposed to a lore-accurate adaptation of Yen and it seems the writers came to the same conclusion. Even post game media, a lot has changed to even allow for this exchange:

>Yennefer: Answer this time. Do you trust me?

>Geralt: … With my life.

-Swords of Convellaria crossover trailer

Or even the entirety of the Little Witcher book. CDPR must have realized a book-accurate Yen is much more marketable than the gross politophile plot donkey they originally planned.

Hopefully CDPR will continue on the trend of a more lore accurate Yennefer but also a more lore accurate Ciri and Yennefer bond in the upcoming dlc and the Witcher 4.


r/wiedzmin 10d ago

Discussions Does anyone remember there was a big thread about Books and Games differences?

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I would wanna revisit this thread if anyone has a link to it. It was very detailed, starting with Zoltan is more like Yarpen Zigrin and they should have been swapped, and ending with most problematic Yen and Ciri bond exclusion. While I consider books and games as part of a whole, I wanna revisit it to recall the issues (whether those issues are issues in the first place, or just subjective rants) and think about them


r/wiedzmin 13d ago

Help [P] WTF jak? (POL)

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Jak ja to do diabła zrobiłem?


r/wiedzmin 15d ago

The Last Wish Is it not implied that Iola is underage in The Voice of Reason 2, chapter 1?

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By this point, the canon established that Geralt had had flings with Coral and Mosaik after meeting Yennefer in Season of Storms. As far as cheating on Yennefer being the source of the shame and not Iola being underage, I guess it's plausible that that's Sapkowski's intent because Last Wish was written before Season of Storms.

The English translation says that Geralt feels shame when he realizes who/what Iola is, so is this shame and never feeling like he can forgive himself for it about "cheating" on Yennefer or about doing it with an underage female?

"But he hadn't seen them at dawn, when she had been his dream. With shame he realised he felt resentment towards her, resentment that she hadn't remained a dream, and that he would never forgive himself for it."

"...never forgive himself for it." is strong wordage for cheating on Yennefer. I mean, she's Yennefer, and they weren't together at that point. Maybe it's a translation error?

It's dawn, so it's not pitch black like it'd be at night, and he's a witcher, he can dilate his pupils when he wants to to see better, so he has even less of an excuse as far as intent.


r/wiedzmin 17d ago

The Witcher 3 Moral Dilemma with Detlaff ( No Spoilers please). Spoiler

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I going through the story of blood and wine for the first time and something has been gnawing at me. I have reached the part where Geralt and Anna Henrietta went to the soirée and had a rather intense talk with Detlaff, Orianna and Regis over wine. Detlaff alluded to how a man would do anything to protect the one he loves, even kill innocents. Regis even said to Geralt that he would have done the same for Yennefer if he was in Detlaff’s shoes. Would Geralt actually kill innocents for Yen if she were captured? With the way I’m trying to play Geralt, I don’t think he would do what Detlaff did, at least not like that. I feel the game is trying to encourage me to sympathise with Detlaff. I understand that he’s being blackmailed and loves deeply for Rhena but I don’t think it’s an excuse. Despite the reason, people (questionably innocent knight maybe) have been killed and that can’t be excused so easily. Is this naive? Am I missing something? And as the title states, no spoilers for the rest of the game, please.

New note 23/07/26: so I just finished and now it’s not so complicated. The choice concerning Detlaff was forced for me since I won back Syanna’s ribbon in a game of Gwent. It is a bit of a shame but I don’t feel guilty regarding his fate. At that point, I feel he turned into a rabid dog who could not be reasoned with. He killed so many and who knows if would be dangerous later hypothetically if left alive. With Syanna, I chose to be mostly sympathetic, partially because I already learnt that both sisters could die if make the wrong choice which I did not know of. She is guilty but Syanna was dealt a bad hand with the Black Sun nonsense so I helped her forgive Anna. I hope she is incarcerated though. She still, indirectly or not, caused a lot of harm.


r/wiedzmin 17d ago

Sapkowski The World of King Arthur: Essay about Sapkowski's beliefs and inspirations for his books

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I have taken the liberty of machine-translating Sapkowski's 1995 essay on The World of King Arthur. DeepL is a godsend.

It entails a breakdown of Arthurian legend, detailing its conceptions, prominent contributors throughout history and contemporary authors, the history of the British Isles, and the circumstances surrounding Arthurian Legend's construction, from entertainment purposes by poets to propaganda purposes by institutions.

It also contains Sapkowski's ideals for Arthurian Legend, and for the eagle-eyed and analyzers, there is a lot of information to glean from the essay when reading The Witcher and even The Hussite Trilogy. Sapkowski is very opinionated in this Essay, much like his Pirog essay.

Now, translating it by machine does mean that there will be slight errors, such as a sentence not continuing over perfectly from one page to the next, but I do believe as a whole, it is very accurate. Certain translated segments could convey Sapkowski's sarcasm and criticism better, but for those who read through it, I believe it gets the point across.

I'm posting this due to some people believing Sapkowski randomly inserted and went all-in on Arthurian Legend at the end in The Lady of the Lake, when it was actually the main driver in Sapkowski writing The Witcher.

I hope you all enjoy! Let me know if there are any technical difficulties.

Part 1 can be found here: The World of King Arthur Part 1

Part 2 can be found here: The World of King Arthur Part 2


r/wiedzmin 20d ago

Art Book Geralt

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book accurate geralt I did some time ago


r/wiedzmin 20d ago

Discussions Sapkowski Vs. The Church: Reclaiming the Pagan Grail in The Witcher

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Sapkowski’s Subversion of the Grail Myth

To truly appreciate Andrzej Sapkowski’s conclusion to The Witcher saga, one must examine the fate of Ciri. Her final interactions with the Arthurian knight Galahad serve as the structural culmination of Sapkowski’s decades-long critique of the Grail myth. By reclaiming the legend from Christian asceticism and returning it to its humanistic, Celtic pagan roots, Sapkowski uses the Ciri-Galahad dynamic to definitively answer his central thematic plot.

Sapkowski’s authorial intent is steeped in neopaganism and humanism.

Yes. Even the term "agnostic" is too weak in relation to me. My worldview is not agnosticism, atheism, or secularism. It is pure paganism. Truly, I am a pagan, and that in the textbook sense of the word.

Andrzej Sapkowski and Stanisław Bereś. 2005. Historia i fantastyka

He has long lamented how the original Celtic mysteries were overtaken and weaponized. In his view, the Grail was inherently pagan, specifically, a symbol of the Great Goddess, often represented as a cauldron. However, this myth was systematically hijacked by the Church to promote an agenda of abstinence, chastity, and holy crusades.

Sapkowski highlights this ecclesiastical manipulation in his essay, The World of King Arthur:

The second aim of the ecclesiastical version was as follows: it was necessary to rein in chivalry and its ideals {...} he was to wait in peace and pious contemplation for the crowning moment of his life {…} in the form, for example, of a call to a crusade {...} It must be admitted that the Church acted shrewdly – it did not excommunicate the legend, nor did it thunder from the pulpit. Instead, it created and circulated its own version of the myth – one powerful and appealing enough to the public to supplant the previous ones.

He notes how the Vulgate Monks' version ultimately endured over more humanistic interpretations, such as Wolfram von Eschenbach's.

Indeed, whilst I appreciate the intentions, I prefer the humanism of Wolfram von Eschenbach and Terry Gilliam to the idiosyncrasies of embittered Cistercian scribes and Bernard of Clairvaux

At his core, Andrzej Sapkowski is a romantic, and a recurring theme in his writing is a direct critique of the church's institutionalised misogyny. Examining the Arthurian Vulgate Cycle, he explicitly calls out the patriarchal, woman-hating views perpetuated by religious figures. He points to the stark sexism embedded in the mythos, such as the hermit Nacien declaring it "blasphemy and a mortal sin" for women to seek the Holy Grail, condemning them as inherently "impure" daughters of Eve and "vile creatures" beyond the salvation of confession.

Sapkowski highlights how this clerical narrative translates into a deeply cynical message from the vulgate monks: that it is better for a man to selfishly "'live it up in style'" and "have some fun" rather than devote himself to a woman whom the church deems "unworthy of such adoration." Sapkowski vehemently rejects this rhetoric, countering their historical dismissal with his own profound romanticism. By declaring, “I believe the Grail is a woman,” he completely subverts the church's narrative. For Sapkowski, the ultimate moral of the story is not excluding women from the divine, but realizing that finding, understanding, and winning over a woman is itself a sacred quest "worth devoting a great deal of time and effort," elevating them to a status of ultimate reverence.

The Church’s cultural theft culminated in a dark historical irony: the Christianised Grail was eventually used as a symbolic weapon against the very people who created it.

For it so happened that, nearly eight hundred years after the creation of the Vulgate Cycle, Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler attempted to adapt the myth of Arthur {...} to the ideology and code of his black knights of the SS. {...} The miraculous vessel from the legend of King Arthur was to serve the brown-skinned heirs of the Nibelungs and the ‘Aryan’ chivalric tradition as a Wunderwaffe against ‘perfidious Albion’! The Grail was thus to be used as a weapon against the Celts... The Celts, who invented the Grail. The source, prototype and archetype of the Grail {...} are quite clearly legendary Celtic artefacts. In most cases – cauldrons

In Sapkowski's work, Ciri is the Grail. She is the Woman, and she is the Goddess. He mentions this in his essay as well as in a 2015 interview with Sugarpulp MAGAZINE, Sapkowski explicitly compared Ciri's role in the narrative to the Arthurian relic:

A girl promised by fate and destiny, the adopted daughter of a sterile Witcher and an equally sterile Witch who changes both their lives, becomes a ‘damsel in distress,’ must be found (like the Grail) and saved... a worthy story, don't you think?

This aligns perfectly with his thesis in his Arthurian essay, where he strips away the chalice imagery and returns the Grail to its feminine, divine roots:

The Grail is a woman. But the words used by Teodor Parnicki are not spoken by a woman. They are spoken by the Goddess. For, as Marion Zimmer Bradley says in The Mists of Avalon, there are many gods and they have many names. But there is only one Goddess. The Great, White, Triple One. She who was, is, and will be

The Structural Subversion of Galahad

To properly deconstruct the Church’s propaganda, Sapkowski needed to subvert its ultimate poster boy: Galahad. In the original Vulgate Cycle, Galahad was entirely created by Cistercian monks to serve as a Christ-like figure—a sinless, chaste knight who represented the "one true path" of the Church. Yet, Sapkowski calls out the hypocrisy of these scribes, noting that their texts were surprisingly saturated with repressed eroticism:

Interestingly, of all the versions of the legend, the Vulgate is the most explicit and literal when it comes to matters of carnal love. The work simply oozes with sex and eroticism. {...} Undoubtedly, this stems from the same source as the whole witch-hunt against sex unleashed by the Church – from the irrepressible carnal desires burning within the pious brothers and sisters of religious orders, who had been driven mad by asceticism and celibacy. Or perhaps the pious monks were aware that the goal they wished to achieve required… some titillating content?

Sapkowski highlights that to enforce this anti-romantic worldview, the Church needed a new kind of hero, so the Cistercian monks invented Galahad. In Sapkowski’s essay, the authors of the Vulgate Cycle explicitly engineered Galahad to be the Church’s walking symbol, directly mirroring the strict dogma of the Fourth Lateran Council: that there is only one true faith and one Church.

Because there is only one Church, the monks dictated that there could only be one path to salvation, meaning there could only be one Galahad for one Grail. To push this uncompromising, singular narrative, the Church sidelined traditional heroes like Perceval and condemned earthly, romantic knights like Lancelot as sinners.

Galahad was created to be the untouchable, hyper-pure antithesis of Camelot and its Knights; he represents the death of courtly love (amour courtois) and the rejection of the temporal world, especially the "impure" women the Church so deeply despised. By having this solitary, weaponised symbol claim the Grail and immediately depart from the mortal realm, the Church's message was clear: earthly chivalry and romance are worthless, and salvation belongs exclusively to their strict, singular dogma.

However, he strips away the divine infallibility, transforming him from an ascendant Monk-Knight into a very real, hormonal nineteen-year-old boy in Lady of the Lake.

The knight, after all, was only nineteen years old. He was very bold and very imprudent. He was famous for the first and known for the second
Lady of the Lake, p. 2

Sapkowski is highly protective of Galahad as a character, even defending him against historical misinterpretations (such as Dante mistaking Galehot for Galahad as a romantic procurer). Yet, Sapkowski recognizes that the Vulgate Galahad was created for a restrictive political purpose:

However, as has already been said, the monks introduce into the narrative a character who had never appeared anywhere before – their pure invention – Galahad. {...} There is only one path: the path of Galahad. And there is only one Grail. {...} Having attained the Highest Goal, Galahad, together with the miraculous vessel, departs from this sinful vale for ever. {...} Only Bors returns to Camelot, to convey to Arthur the message of the Cistercians and the Vulgate: with the Grail, hope has departed

A Grounded Romance

It is impossible to fully grasp Sapkowski’s humanistic vision without recognising how he rewrites Galahad’s ending. In the original myth, upon finding the Grail, Galahad ascends to Heaven, abandoning the mortal plane. In The Lady of the Lake, Galahad meets Ciri, the true Grail, and is profoundly grounded by her humanity.

Sapkowski firmly believes in the dominance of the feminine element in nature, a dynamic reflected in Ciri and Galahad's budding relationship. Ciri is undeniably the dominant force in their interaction, taking charge of their narrative in a way that directly challenges the "male (Church’s) fear" of the Goddess.

In my work, however, I try to show that a woman really dominates in nature, but not because of her social role, but only because of the organism that nature has endowed her with. {...} Man is a much weaker creature in nature
Andrzej Sapkowski and Stanisław Bereś. 2005. Historia i fantastyka

Rather than swearing off the world for a holy crusade, Galahad finds himself utterly captivated by a mortal girl. He offers her pledges and a foot massage, attempting to win her over. Ciri, in turn, entertains the prospect of human love. The chaste crusade is traded for the deeply earthly promise of a "carpet of moss under a filbert bush."

They say …’ he (Galahad) blushed and stammered. ‘They say that when fairies meet young men, they lead them to Elfland and there … Beneath a filbert bush, on a carpet of moss, they order them to render-
Lady of the Lake, p. 9

What’s happening to me? She (Ciri) thought. What’s happening to me? {...} A carpet of moss, she thought, suppressing a giggle. Under a filbert bush. With me playing the fairy. Well, well
Lady of the Lake, p. 480

Their physical and emotional union is the final nail in the coffin for the monks' ascetic tale. When they leave together, they are bound as equals. The Grail does not ascend to Heaven to leave Camelot in ruin; instead, the Grail escapes with Galahad into the Arthurian realm.

Will you ride with me to Camelot?’ She held out her hand. And he held out his. They joined hands, riding side by side. {...} They rode straight into the setting sun. {...} That was all behind them. And before them was everything

Sapkowski believes Arthurian legend is the basis for all fantasy, so before Ciri and Galahad were literally Everything. From his infamous essay “Piróg, or There's No Gold in the Gray Mountains

The Arthurian myth is eternally alive among the Anglo-Saxons; it is strongly rooted in culture with its archetype. And that's why archetype; the archetype of all fantasy works is a legend about King Arthur and the knights of the Round Table

This points to a reimagining of Camelot itself. Sapkowski suggests an escape to an idealised, communal, Celtic haven, a stark contrast to the rigid feudalism and religious dogma that eventually destroyed the Arthurian myth.

A myth that arose at a time when the world of the British Celts was already crumbling to rubble under the blows of foreign invaders. {...} An unattainable Celtic ideal. Well, little remains of the Celts. But the ideal remains

Premeditated Climax: Something Ends, Something Begins

This triumphant, humanistic subversion was not a last-minute addition; it was Sapkowski’s premeditated climax from the very beginning. The 1992 non-canon short story, Something Ends, Something Begins, serves as irrefutable proof of his long-term vision. As Sapkowski himself noted in the preface of SESB:

This is irrefutable proof that the ‘Witcher saga’ was created according to a precise plan and, contrary to rumours, was not written chaotically like a role-playing game and ended when the author got bored

In this early text, the romantic framing of Ciri and Galahad is blatant. Galahad appears as an awestruck youth, eager to serve his "beautiful and brave maiden," while the surrounding characters, Yennefer, Triss, and Geralt, openly acknowledge the budding courtship:

Knowing life, I believe he desires to become your knight, Ciri,’ said Triss Merigold

Galahad... Galahad is coming with me. I don't know why. But I can't stop him, can I?

Of course not. Geralt!" Yennefer's eyes, glowing with a warm violet light, fixed upon her husband. "Go and have a walk around the tables and talk with the guests. You can also drink something. One cup. A small one. I'd like to have a talk with my daughter here, woman to woman

Of course not. Geralt!" Yennefer's eyes, glowing with a warm violet light, fixed upon her husband. "Go and have a walk around the tables and talk with the guests. You can also drink something. One cup. A small one. I'd like to have a talk with my daughter here, woman to woman

The thematic core of this dynamic is summarized in Galahad's conversation with Dandelion. Distraught over failing to find the literal (note: Fabricated by the Church), ecclesiastical chalice, Galahad questions the meaning of his quest. It takes a poet to dismantle the Church's lie and reveal the pagan, humanistic truth of Sapkowski’s world:

And the Grail?’ he asked finally. ‘What has become of the Grail? It's something we're searching for... Something that is the most important. Without which life has no meaning. Without which we're incomplete and imperfect.’ The bard pressed his lips and looked at the knight with his famous gaze {...} ‘You fool,’ he replied, ‘you've been sitting next to your Grail for the entire evening

Ultimately, the Galahad-Ciri dynamic is Sapkowski’s masterstroke. He rescues the Grail from the cold, unattainable heights of Christian asceticism and places it exactly where he believes it belongs: in the warm, imperfect, and deeply human embrace of life and love on the earthly plane. His retaliation against the Church.


r/wiedzmin 20d ago

Books Games/books difference

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Started reading last wish a ehile ago and bought the whole game triology on sale.

I jumped in the first game and just by the first cutsene, i suppose the story is the same/similar to the books. Or is it just the start and the rest is completely different story.

I Do plan on playin the whole triology and reading the whole series, but I just wanna know if I can do both at the same time or should read the books first.

Tried posting this on the main/biggest witcher subreddit, but couldnt, so Im looking for help here. Hope Im in the right place.


r/wiedzmin 20d ago

Games Could I finish the books and games before witcher IV?

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Started reading last wish a while ago. I do already have in plan finishing up the whole series and then play the games. But since Witcher 4 is coming soon (next year i think), do you think I could easily finish the whole story/stories before?


r/wiedzmin 23d ago

Discussions Map of Monsters that I think would thrive the best in USA

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I originally planned on posting this in 250th 4th of July, but alas, I will be gone on the hike in the woods, so I am making this before I go there.

Confession: I am not American, nor Biologist. I am an Slovak economy student, who used to live in England for a year, and then returned back to Slovakia. And my older brother, who is expert on Witcher lore, is in Switzerland. The closest I have to America is a cousin who lives in Vermont as an dentist. I was very good in geography lessons back when I was in High school

And if there is better expert on lore like u/LozaMoza or u/PaulSimonBarCarloson, feel free to correct me

Before I go, I tried my best to use one species per state, so if a monster like Griffin might thrive better in states like Texas, keep in mind that I was going for one species per state. That doesn't mean they can't thrive elsewhere. I also wanted to use monsters that are common for witchers, so Kayrans, Toad Princes and Dragons are very large exceptions

So here is my explanation for many of them

  • States like Colorado, Montana, S. Dakota, Nebraska are either mountainous or too windy, so flying monsters like Griffons, Cockatrices, Wyverns would thrive there. ANd most of them are part of Rocky Mountains, therefore. While Kansas has little to no mountains, I doubt the wind would trouble Wyverns
  • Minnesota would be suitable for Nekkers, since Minnesota is full of abandoned mines
  • Trolls, Shaelmars nd Cyclops would thrive the best in rocky terrains, so states like Dakota, New Mexico
  • Arizona and California are rich on insects, so Crab spiders and Endregas.
  • Iowa is the most fertile state, and its in the center of Corn Belt so Archesporas made sense to me.
  • Indiana is also very fertile, therefore giant centipedes might be their best places
  • Missouri and Arkansas are very much home to redneck horror tales
  • West Virginia, the closest I could think of is Chort
  • Michigan and Wisconsin are home to many wolves, and Werewolf tales as well, and since Ulfhedins and Werewolves are considered two different species, so there's that
  • Texas is very hot and cast planes, plus it has the biggest population of lizards in the USA, and Basilisks are Lizards
  • Kentucky was very hard for me to decide, and I remembered it has large rural areas, and its one of those states associated with Rednecks. Imagine Torque the Sylvan or All-god if they were put to modern day Kentucky. Possibly the best state to mess with people
  • Wyoming may be the most windy, but Yellowstone national park would be the breeding ground for Fiends
  • Ohio is a terrifying state, and I hate those spiders, so both fit together
  • Louisiana is the most vampire state, and Bruxas are basically Alcoholics by the Vampire standard. New Orleans would be their all-you-can-eat-buffet. New hampshire, Connecticut and Rhode Island are the most urban in New England, and they also have lots of vampire stories.
  • Normally Leshy would thrive in New Yrok, but Zeugls would thrive in New York city even better
  • Virginia had suffered most during Civil war, while states like Tennessee, N. Carolina and Oklahoma are states where I hear a lot of tragic love stories take place
  • South Carolina is also very fertile, so I chosen Kikkimoras due to them being just an oversized ants
  • Alabama and Mississippi are states with highest mortality rate
  • Nevada has most Casinos, especially in Las Vegas. Succubi are the most tempting of the monsters, they might drive the most desperate to their beds
  • Shaelmar is an underground creature, and Utah is full of caves and rocky mountains
  • Oregon is very forested, and the pines are larger than the ones in east, so Leshy would be most sensible. Vermont is quite similar, so they have Spriggans, who are just Leshens
  • washington state has most fogs, so Foglets would find it to be their habitat
  • Hawaii is open ocean, Sirens love open oceans
  • Florida, Maryland and Georgia are very much water based states, so Drowned Dead, Drowners and Water Hags
  • Barghests is my nod to Pet cemetery, a book by Stephen King. The story takes place in Maine
  • Vodyanoi are in Massachussets as my nod to book "Shadow over Innsmouth" by HP Lovecraft. The book is set in Massachussets, and it features fish people(It reminds me, Chapter IV in Witcher 1 has Geralt fighting Lovecraftian god named "Dagon", who rules over fishfolk in the lake)
  • Dopplers would be best in District Columbia. why? Because people love to learn secrets, and which place is the most fertile for secrets to thrive than the one that controls most of the USA? Washington DC would be the biggest place for Dopplers, I can imagine government utilizing them, or hunting them down

r/wiedzmin 24d ago

Books The Witcher books' biweekly official discussion post. Spoiler

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Bringing back a long requested feature to start 2022, here is your r/wiedzmin's official The Witcher books talk. But now, instead of doing a weekly chapter by chapter format like in the past, we are going to cover one book at a time, on its entirety, once every two weeks.

Since this is an automated task, I am unable to specify on the title which book will be covered on each post, but I'll make sure to leave a stickied comment on the top with this information.

No need to say that there will be spoilers. And, also, I don't think it's a good idea to restrict spoilers from a different book, but I ask you guys the common sense to tag it as such in your comments.

And if you are curious to revisit the old discussions, just take a look on the Wiki page.

Enjoy!


r/wiedzmin 24d ago

Books Any video to watch to recap of the books

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r/wiedzmin 25d ago

Discussions How Sapkowski constructed the Witcher books as his own version of the Arthurian Grail Quest

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Hello everyone, I used Sapkowski’s essay The World of King Arthur to break down the Witcher books. I see the entire Witcher saga as his own construction of Arthurian legend, and particularly the Quest for the Grail, based on his own views. This in turn, should help us understand the Witcher books even better.

To understand how these views directly shaped the structure of the books, we must look at the two most popular competing 13th-century traditions of the Grail quest legend that Sapkowski highlights in his essay:

1. The Church Propaganda / Cistercian Monastic Version: A version that reframes the quest for the Grail as a strict devotion to unattainable heavenly attributes.

Interestingly, of all the versions of the legend, the Vulgate is the most explicit and literal when it comes to matters of carnal love. The work simply oozes with sex and eroticism. [...] Undoubtedly, this stems from the same source as the whole witch-hunt against sex unleashed by the Church – from the irrepressible carnal desires burning within the pious brothers and sisters of religious orders, who had been driven mad by asceticism and celibacy. Or perhaps the pious monks were aware that the goal they wished to achieve required… some titillating content? [...] Instead, it created and circulated its own version of the myth – one powerful and appealing enough to the public to supplant the previous ones.
The world of King Arthur, Andrzej Sapkowski, 1995

2. Wolfram von Eschenbach’s version

In Wolfram’s version, the Grail is… a stone. Not a bowl, not a chalice, not a cup, not a communion chalice, but a stone. [...] the stone removes from the story its liturgical subtext and connections with the Eucharist. [...] there is no Galahad. There is no ‘chevalier sans peur et sans reproche’ who is born and becomes a knight for one purpose alone (referring to Galahad). There is only Parsifal – and Parsifal is not an ideal. Parsifal, however, wishes to be one and strives towards it. [...]

Wolfram’s message is this: let us not wait for a revelation or a command from on high; let us not wait for any ‘Deus vult’. Let us seek the Grail within ourselves. For the Grail is nobility, it is love for one’s neighbour, it is the capacity for compassion. [...] Everyone must find their own path. But it is not true that there is only one path. There are many. An infinite number. [...] What matters is humanity. The heart. Indeed, whilst I appreciate the intentions, I prefer the humanism of Wolfram von Eschenbach and Terry Gilliam to the idiosyncrasies of embittered Cistercian scribes and Bernard of Clairvaux..

The world of King Arthur, AS, 1995

And we know which one Sapkowski liked more. Wolfram von Eschenbach’s version.

In the final book, Lady of the Lake, characters like Ciri, Nimue, and Condwiramurs serve as the Grail of Galahad, Merlin, and Percival respectively. Condwiramurs in Wolfram’s work is the wife of Percival for reference. They function as the actual, literal manifestations of the Grail for Galahad, Merlin, and Percival respectively within an interconnected multi-world reality. By existing as real, living answers to these men, they embody the core message of Sapkowski’s works, where he argues that the true Grail must be completely stripped of distant, divine dogmatism and returned to compassion and love:

Parsifal does not depart this world with the Grail; he remains so that now, having attained the highest spiritual value (which, in Wolfram’s work, the Grail never ceases to be), he may enjoy life twofold. Wolfram’s message is this: let us not wait for a revelation or a command from on high; let us not wait for any ‘Deus vult’. Let us seek the Grail within ourselves. For the Grail is nobility, it is love for one’s neighbour, it is the capacity for compassion

The world of King Arthur, AS, 1995

Within this comparative framework, Geralt functionally symbolizes King Arthur, while Yennefer represents Guinevere. Crucially, in original Celtic mythology, Guinevere is far from a passive prize; she represents the sovereign power of the Great Triple Goddess. This is because in the original Welsh legends, Arthur had 3 wives, all having the same name, noted by Sapkowski in the essay.

In Welsh legends she appears as Gwenhwyfar (White Ghost), although Arthur had three (!) wives with the same name\ However, it was Gwenhwyfar, daughter of Orgyrvran, who entered the myth, initially as Wenhaver, Guanhamara, Gvenour or Ganhumara; later, in the French version, as Guenièvre or Guinevere; and in Malory’s original spelling – Gwenyvere, daughter of King Leodegran. [...] Three Gwenhwyfars – three White Phantoms [or White apparitions because In Celtic mythology, the name Gwenhwyfar is often translated as 'White Phantom' or 'White Spirit']. In other words, one: the Great, the White, the Triple. Guinevere from the earliest version of the Arthurian legend is none other than the Great Goddess*

The motif of taking a king’s wife is clearly rooted in the beliefs, customs and very nature of the Celts. During the wedding ceremony (and thereafter), the wife of a Celtic king symbolises the Earth over which the king reigns. Taking his wife is therefore an act that undermines not only the king’s authority

The world of King Arthur, AS, 1995

Yennefer is a subversion of Guinevere because she isn’t helpless like Gwenevere. Rather than occupying the traditional trope of the helpless, passive damsel who exists merely to be abducted and rescued, Yennefer is an active character. She is the one who chooses Geralt repeatedly. The rivals and antagonists who emerge to challenge Geralt’s bond with her, such as Vilgefortz and Istredd, directly mirror Arthurian pretenders like Mordred and Meleagant who sought to disrupt the King's authority by claiming his Queen. She fights off Bonhart who tries to rape her.

The young hero symbolises summer, rebirth, the surge and blossoming of vital forces, which stand in contrast to the waning, winter-like power of the old king. And the ruler cannot be weak; he cannot be barren, cold or sexually impotent– for he is, after all, wedded to the Earth, the Great Mother, symbolised by the spring queen, who, during the Beltaine mystery, is to be loved – loved physically, erotically

The world of King Arthur, AS, 1995

The irony of Sapkowski's plot is that Geralt is entirely barren and sterile, yet Yennefer, embodying the Great Mother Goddess archetype, completely rejects the old mythic requirement for a sexually potent consort (The irony is she is sterile too). Instead, she chooses him purely out of human affection, as beautifully illustrated in the short story "Something More, Chapter 3". Her role as a vessel of sovereignty is elevated even further when she receives direct, spiritual approval from the Great Mother Goddess of Skellige, Freya for choosing to be a mother to Ciri.

This subversion highlights how Sapkowski explicitly criticizes the limiting, patriarchal definitions that medieval chroniclers imposed on legendary women. To counteract these deeply entrenched biases, he created Yennefer as a powerful foil, drawing heavy inspiration from Parke Godwin’s novel The Beloved Exile to write her in alignment with the fierce independence of authentic Celtic myth.

And because – particularly with regard to gender equality and women’s independence – the Middle Ages are still with us, the medieval form of the legend remains the classic one, and the women of the legend are defined accordingly: Guinevere and Isolde are ‘unfaithful’ ,Morgana is an ‘evil witch’, Nimue is an ‘unscrupulous seductress’

In Arthurian fantasy literature, Guinevere is always present. Marion Zimmer Bradley, as I mentioned, is not particularly fond of the queen; the portrayal in ‘The Mists of Avalon’ is not the most sympathetic. In Robert Nye’s ‘Merlin’, Guinevere is a nymphomaniac with a birdbrain, and to make matters worse, she stutters. A lovely and interesting portrait of the queen, however, is painted by Parke Godwin in his book ‘The Beloved Exile’. The queen is portrayed as a wise woman, strong-willed and of strong character. As such, she is a truer portrayal of a Celtic woman – far truer than later medieval versions, which depict the ladies of the Arthurian myth as weak, ethereal and highly susceptible to sin, fainting from fear or love and helpless without a knight’s aid

The world of King Arthur, AS, 1995

Yennefer also serves as a profound structural parallel to Morgana. Rather than connecting her to themes of doom or static villainy, Sapkowski links Yennefer explicitly to the sea, playing directly on the true etymological roots of Morgana's name (mor meaning sea, rather than death). This water thematic manifests clearly when she travels to Skellige and is physically cast into the sea when escaping the lodge. She gets fished out and hit with an oar by Skelligian women. She is literally born of the sea.

I think that for all those who have adapted the myth, the appeal of this character (as an antagonist) stemmed from the evocative root ‘mor’ (mors, la morte, death). The same applies to Morgause and Mordred, described below. In Welsh, however, the root ‘mor’ associated with the sea not with death ‘Morgan’ means ‘Born of the Sea’ in Celtic. But the analogy is there – the sea, as we recall symbolises all the forces of evil for the Welsh

The world of King Arthur, AS, 1995

This mythic connection reaches its emotional peak in the saga's final pages: when Geralt is mortally stabbed by a pitchfork during the pogrom in Rivia, Yennefer cradles his head in her lap, whilst attempting to heal Geralt. This directly mirrors Morgana’s actions on the battlefield of Camlann where Sapkowski notes:

Interestingly, in the epilogue to the legend, Morgan reconciles with Arthur. When the King dies on the battlefield at Camlann, his sister cradles his head in her lap and speaks tender words to her brother, and she is one of the 4 queens who accompany the King in his final journey

The world of King Arthur, AS, 1995

Just as Morgana survives the final battle to guide King Arthur safely to the shores of Avalon, Yennefer does not truly perish; instead, she departs the mortal realm alongside Geralt.

There is a theory that women played an enormous role in Celtic society. In many myths (such as that of Cuchulainn), the hero must undergo training under a woman – a sorceress or a warrior. In many legends, it is the privilege of the mother, guardian or priestess to bestow a name upon the boy and present him with a weapon. This is likely linked to the cult of the Triple Great Mother described above, which was deeply rooted among the Celts

The world of King Arthur, AS, 1995

It is Visenna who names Geralt and it is Yennefer who gets Geralt’s swords. Nenneke and the priestesses at temple of Elander and Sigrdrifa and the priestesses at the temple of Freya on Skellige also reflect the Celtic priestess role.

Something interesting to note is the title of Lady of the Lake being passed around. Ciri was taught by Yennefer. She has a title of Lady of the lake just like Nimue. Ciri is Yennefer’s successor. Nimue is Ciri’s successor. She (and Condwiramurs) helped Ciri get to Stygga castle.

Four queens – Morgana, the Ruler of North gales (North Wales –could she be a druidess from the Isle of Anglesey?), the Queen of the Barren Lands (Perceval’s aunt) and, indeed, Nimue. So – four. But if that is the case, there must have been a fifth! For to whom did the hand belong that Bedivere sees, the hand that grasps Excalibur as it is cast into the waves? The four queens are with Arthur on the barge; the fifth is underwater with Excalibur. I can see no other explanation – apart from sorcery. It follows that Marion Zimmer Bradley may be right in treating the Lady of the Lake (much like Merlin) as a title, office or druidic function. Thus, the retired druidesses sail off with Arthur to Avalon, leaving a successor in the Lake.

There were several Ladies of the Lake, as can be inferred from Malory’s Le Morte D’Arthur,. The one who gave Arthur his sword and was slain by Balin was called Lile. However, right up until the end of the legend, another Lady of the Lake appears and aids Arthur and his knights. At times, one might infer that this Lady is Nimue, the one who seduced Merlin. In the finale of Le Morte D’Arthur (and in James Archer’s painting of the same title, inspired by Malory’s text), however, Arthur is escorted to Avalon by Nimue, the Lady of the Lake

The world of King Arthur, AS, 1995

This is wrapped up by Sapkowski himself when he says at the end of the chapter

Perhaps it will now be easier for readers to understand how I, a humble fantasy author, conceived the sorceress Yennefer, the beloved of the Witcher Geralt. A woman who would not dream of yielding when she has no desire to do so

Cahir could be seen as a mirror to Percival. Both had brothers who died. Both had the chance to obtain the Grail. Cahir at the sack of Cintra. Percival at the Grail Castle. But both are trying to be honourable, noble Knights, and as such Sapkowski gives Cahir a chance to see the Grail once more at Stygga castle and gives his life for Ciri the Grail. Percival, to gets his chance to go with Galahad and Bors, to accompany Galahad to the Grail. Cahir wants to redeem himself, constantly being seen as the Black Knight haunting  Ciri’s dreams  but he had good intentions and a good heart, but his actions were seen in service to Nilfgaard, to Emhyr. And such actions deemed him unsuited for the Grail.

Cahir also represents other knights, like Garet, youngest brother of Gawain. In Garet’s journey to Camelot and eventual Knighthood, he endures a long, and hard journey to prove himself. Garet works in the kitchens of Camelot waiting for his chance, and Cahir follows Geralt and the Hanza from a distance, waiting for his chance. Garet eventually gets his chance, saves the damsel in the tower, gets married and gets killed by Lancelot, the same man who knighted him, cut down like Bonhart cut down Cahir.

As the archetype of the righteous, honest simpleton with a pure heart and intentions, longing to become something more, and consequently bringing to that ‘something’ his own simplicity and the great humanism inherent in that simplicity, Perceval Pere-dur rides through world literature like a Don Cossack across the steppe

The world of King Arthur, AS, 1995

Dandelion as a mirror to some of Arthurs closest knights like Gawain and Tristan. Like Gawain appears in every single work devoted to Arthur since the earliest iterations, Dandelion too appears in all books where Geralt is. Like Gawain is ruled out from the beginning of the quest for the Grail, Dandelion too, does not take part in the quest to Stygga Castle. Gawain’s horny nature and entanglements with beautiful ladies rules him out. And Dandelion in Toussaint with Anna rules him out.

And just as Gawain is the one to trigger the quest for the Grail, in the main 5 books, which is the quest for the Grail (Ciri), Sapkowski opens Blood of elves with Dandelion finishing his song to a gathering, meeting rience, saved by Yennefer. Tristan is a Bard like Dandelion and is to, hunted by a cuckolded Husband, the Duke Raymund for Dandelion and the King Mark for Tristan. Tristan is killed in one telling by King Mark, but Dandelion escapes.

Of course, Gawain has no right to find the Grail. Gawain is a woodcutter. He is an ‘earthly’ knight – not to say ‘mundane’. Besides, Gawain succumbs to temptation far too often; he finds it particularly hard to resist beautiful ladies (whom Malory calls ‘damosels’– I don’t know about you, but that word makes me laugh until I cry). As an uncontrollable sinner, Gawain – though he is the initiator of the quest for the Grail – loses the chance even to catch a glimpse of the holy vessel; in the myth, he serves as a plot-driven  contrast to the blameless and virtuous Galahad, who remains unmoved by any damsels or temptations

In Le Morte D’Arthur, Tristan meets a grim end – he is killed by a treacherous stab in the back, dealt by his own uncle, King Mark. At the very moment of this crime, Tristan was busy enchanting Isolde with his harp-playing. A good defence lawyer might therefore have defended Mark by suggesting he acted in the heat of the moment – but we know that it was sheer villainy and a premeditated crime long in the making

The world of King Arthur, AS, 1995

With the Character Kai, foster brother of Arthur, I think Sapkowski reflected him within the many Nilfgaardian higher ups, mainly Menno Coehorn.

Kai is endowed with many of the traits of Cuchulainn, a hero dear to the Celts – particularly when it comes to his legendary physical attributes. Kai was capable of staying underwater for nine days and nights without stopping to eat. {...} Kai fell at Camlann, fighting alongside Arthur. Another, and interesting, version can be found in Parke Godwin’s The Beloved Exile: Kai dies much earlier, at the Battle of Badon

Yarpen and Zoltan as Bedivere and Lukan. Like Bedivere appears in all versions of Arthurian legend since the earliest iterations, as one of Arthurs closest companions, Yarpen was there since the short stories. It is the Dwarves (helped by Triss) who carry Geralt to the boat, just like Bedivere and Lukan are the last two Knights who carry Arthur away from the battlefield of Camlann. Zoltan is the one to give Geralt the sword, but Bedivere is the one to take it away to throw it into the Lake.

He casts the sword Excalibur into the waves and watches as the Lady of the Lake’s hand grasps the magical weapon and hides it beneath the water. When, having completed his mission, Bedivere returns to the dying king, all he can see on the horizon is the sail of the boat carrying Arthur towards the Isle of Avalon...

Milva as Tor. Tor is the bastard son of king Pellinor, sired on a wife of a commoner. The commoner notices Tor’s clearly Knightly attributes and disowns him, taking him to Camelot and telling Arthur to take him. Tor takes his place amongst the round table, doing great many deeds. He is eventually slain by Lancelot during his rescuing of Guenevere. Milva, taught and raised by her Father, gains a strong relationship with him. In her flashback, she forgives her father, being slain on the assault on Stygga Castle. Geralt, as Celtic King Arthur would, accepts her as a fighter.

In Malory’s day, it was rather unthinkable that a knight with a bastard’s bar in his coat of arms – especially one of such ignoble maternal descent – should be counted amongst the king’s inner circle. The character of Tor alludes to Celtic democracy – the historical Arthur would surely have cared little for the propriety of one’s lineage – the only thing that mattered was whether a warrior was effective in defeating the Saxons and Picts.

Boreas Munn serves as a direct narrative mirror to Sir Bors of Ganis, with their character arcs following similar paths of pursuing the Grail, testing their morals along the way, and eventual exile:

Both characters spend their arcs tracking the ultimate vessel of their respective worlds: Bors seeking the Holy Grail while resisting demonic illusions, and Boreas pursuing Ciri before narrowly escaping a frozen lake when the "Grail" herself chooses to spare his life

 Each man becomes entangled with the wrong faction during a massive structural war; Bors sides with Lancelot’s rebels against King Arthur, while Boreas allies with the villainous triumvirate of Vilgefortz, Skellen, and Bonhart. However, both undergo a late-stage moral pivot toward redemption. Bors races to aid Arthur against Mordred’s coup, while Boreas defects during the assault on Stygga Castle, guiding Geralt’s Hanza through the stronghold.

 Then, when their respective socio-political landscapes (Peace of Cintra/ Battle of Camlann) crumble, both men permanently abandon their known continents alongside a small band of survivors to seek an entirely new purpose in a distant, uncharted land. Where Bors departs for the Holy Land, Boreas Munn permanently exits the Northern Realms alongside Sigismund Dijkstra and Isengrim Faoiltiarna

But when news of Mordred’s revolt reaches them, they immediately set out to come to Arthur’s aid. Although they arrive too late, they rout the remnants of the rebels and their Saxon allies. Lionel is killed in these battles. Ector de Maris, Bors and the cousins Blamor and Bleoberis, however, seeing that Camelot and the Round Table had ceased to exist, set out for the Holy Land to fight the Saracens. They all perished there, as befits honourable knights, on Good Friday, without having tasted the Easter meal.

The Fisher King’s wound has symbolic significance and alludes to Celtic beliefs – the maimed king is incapable of sexual intercourse, and the Earth over which he reigns cannot be fertilised. If the king is not healed, the Earth will die, turning into La Terre Gaste, the Barren Earth. The wounding spear is a phallic symbol, whilst the healing Grail represents the vulva

Little Eye (Essi Daven), as one of the three (reoccuring number here) different characters called Elaine, specifically Elaine of Astolat, falls in unrequited love with Lancelot du lac (who would be Geralt) and dies due to smallpox just like Elaine who dies. Sapkowski remaining truer to the original than in Sapkowski’s own words the kind Tolkien.

She (Elaine of Astolat) could neither sleep, nor eat, nor drink’; so, as one might easily guess, she died. She had her body, clad in black and covered with a shroud of black brocade, carried all the way to Camelot. When Lancelot saw this, he felt rather faint

The noble Aragorn cannot return the love of Éowyn, Princess of Rohan, and rightly regards this as one of the most painful blows that can be dealt to a man’s heart. Éowyn, too, seeks death (though in a more Celtic manner – in battle), but the benevolent Tolkien does not allow her to suffer the fate of Elaine of Astolat. The undersigned, in creating the character of the poetess Little Eye (A Little Sacrifice), had no intention of being quite so kind – Little Eye, like Elaine, stood no chance.

The other Elaine, daughter of King Pelles, had a union with Lancelot du lac, causing the birth of the one quite literally created for the Grail, by the Vulgate Monks. The one who would achieve the Grail, Galahad. The one as Sapkowski says:

Elaine sacrificed her virginity (did she close her eyes and think of England?) because she knew she would give birth to a child of destiny who would outshine not only his famous father, but also Arthur and all the other Knights of the Round Table. And she gave birth – in the manner just described.

Galahad was engineered by the Vulgate monks to be the perfect Christian Knight to obtain the Christian Grail. Elaine sacrificed her virginity to birth the Greatest, most virtuous Knight, with the bloodline of the greatest earthly knight, Lancelot and on his mother’s side, the holy bloodline going back to Joseph of Arimathea. A mirror of Ciri, whose Bloodline was engineered by the sorcerers and previously the Aen Elle when they engineered the Elder blood culminating in Lara Dorren.

Once, however, both were struck down – with a single lance – by the Saracen Palomides, proving that a list of the best does not settle the matter. Nevertheless, no one ever managed to defeat Lancelot in a fair fight. The exception was Galahad, his son – though Galahad was an exception in every respect. His victory over Lancelot (and Perceval) is symbolic in nature

Galahad is meant to be what the previous Grail Knights were not. He is so pure, so righteous, the world itself is not worthy to hold him and so he leaves to heaven with the Grail.

Sapkowski reimagines him a perfect Knight to win the Grail (Ciri). Elaine also mirrors Ciri during her stay in Tir na Lia. Whilst in bed with Auberon, she thinks of mistle just like how Sapkowski postulates Elaine thinking of England, whilst the elves are wanting her to give birth to a child of destiny.

Sapkowski then starts defending Galahad from Dante when Dante mixed up the names when describing the one who facilitated the first kiss between Lancelot and Guenevere.

For this reason, Galeotto (that is, Galahad) entered the Italian language as a synonym for a pimp, a procurer, a vile man. Władysław Kopaliński laments that such a virtuous and righteous knight as Galahad should, thanks to Dante, have been given such a vile and insulting eponym. I hasten to defend Galahad and his good name! Władysław Kopaliński is mistaken! That is not how it happened at all! According to the Vulgate Cycle, it was not Galahad but Galehot (Galehault, Galahaut), known as the Lord of the Far Islands, who brought about the tryst and the first (beautifully described) kiss between Lancelot and Guinevere. {…} And it is Galehot – not Galahad – who is Dante’s Galeotto, and it is he who deserves the eponym. The righteous and pure Galahad, the Conqueror of the Grail, facilitated no – I repeat, no – trysts whatsoever!

Destiny can be changed in Sapkowski’s books. He remarks regarding Morholt’s death by the hand of Tristan:

Interestingly, it was precisely thanks to this battle that Tristan was knighted as a Knight of the Round Table! For each chair at the Table was magically inscribed with the name of the knight who had the right to sit upon it. After Morholt’s death, his name magically vanished, and Tristan’s name appeared in its place

So, Morholt was the knight destined for the round table but by Tristan’s sword, it changed. And we see this in the forest of Brokilon, where on the Chalice is inscribed:

The sword of destiny has two edges... You are one of them

What this means for Geralt and Coen as prophesied by Ciri? I theorise Coen was claimed by Destiny in the battle of Brenna, but Geralt, was almost claimed. Ciri and Ihuarraquax changed destiny and as such Geralt survived.

The episode with Meleagant is also a reference to Celtic mythology – it is another triad, whereby in the Lancelot– Guinevere–Meleagant configuration, Lancelot is the old king whose prowess is challenged – unsuccessfully – by a young pretender. In earlier Welsh legends, which served as the prototype for the above story, Queen Gwenhwyfar’s abductor was an evil giant, and her liberator – and the slayer of the pretender – was King Arthur himself

What Lancelot is to Meleagant, he himself is to Arthur. A Celtic triad. This theme of Celtic triad come up a couple times in Sapkowski’s work. Geralt-Yennefer-Istredd being a prominent one. Geralt also mirrors Arthur, slaying the abductor of Guinevere, slaying Vilgefortz, the abductor of Yennefer.

Sapkowski traces the Grail from its Pagan Celtic origin where they had magic cauldrons representing regeneration and abundance, and severed heads for Knowledge and clairvoyance into the future to its Christian story, where Church falsified and repurposed it into their holy Chalice

first continental discoverer of the Grail was Perceval, created by Chrétien de Troyes. Perceval, in turn, is derived from the mythical Welsh hero Peredur. And in Welsh mythology, Peredur, after long searches and wanderings, found a wondrous and mysterious object, which was… a severed, blood-dripping head on a platter. […] which became an oracle and warned the Britons of enemy invasions. Scholars not only see in this head one of the earliest prototypes of the Grail – it is believed that the ancient Celts were in the habit of mummifying and then venerating severed heads and skulls

Sapkowski, however, reinterprets the Quest for the Grail as not pursuing a religious object, but the Knightly heroes pursuing a woman to love. And this is where he takes a turn from Celtic and Christian objects.

I prefer – following Parnicki and Dante – to identify the Grail with the true goal of the great endeavour of mythical heroes. I prefer to identify the Grail with Olwen, from whose feet white clovers sprang as she walked. [...] Because I believe the Grail is a woman. To find her and win her over, to understand her, it’s worth devoting a great deal of time and effort. And that is precisely the moral of the story. [...] All the love literature in the world. The Grail is a woman. But the words used by Teodor Parnicki are not spoken by a woman. They are spoken by the Goddess. For, as Marion Zimmer Bradley says in The Mists of Avalon, there are many gods and they have many names. But there is only one Goddess. The Great, White, Triple One. She who was, is, and will be

If you read this to the end, massive respect. This was one long analysis. Thank you for reading!


r/wiedzmin 25d ago

Books [SPOILER] Dúvida - Terminei a senhora do lago hoje… Spoiler

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Só eu que achei estranho arco dos elfos e da caçada selvagem ter sido jogado “de lado”? A Ciri realmente está sem poderes e só consegue viajar no tempo e espaço com a ajuda do unicórnio? Porque Yen estava tão fraca no ato final?


r/wiedzmin 26d ago

Meta Finally got around to making food from the cookbook!

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I finally got around to making these dishes after getting on with my girlfriend who is into cooking!

  • Harviken Dried-Fruit Brew
  • Confectioner's Apple Pancakes