r/ThomasPynchon Nov 06 '25

Shadow Ticket Shadow Ticket group read, ch. 35-39

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End of the line, friends. Thanks to all those who've participated in this group read and contributed their thoughts. In this final discussion, I'd really love to see you share your thoughts on the book as a whole, in addition to on the final chapters we read.

Personally, I loved the ending and am already looking forward to reading this one again. It felt much more immediate in terms of its relation to, and commentary on, the present day, than just about anything else I've read in quite a while. It also felt very much, as someone else here described, as a coda to Against the Day.

Discussion questions:

  1. Where is Bruno being taken on U-13? Are we to understand that reality has split in two forking directions, including a new one where the Business Plot succeeded and, in response, revolution is underway in America?

  2. Was Hicks causing the items to asport with his "Oriental Attitude"? Both the "beaver tail" club and the tasteless lamp disappeared to prevent the need for violence on his part, and in both cases, he's described as experiencing the mental state that Zoltán described.

  3. What does cheese/dairy represent? Between Bruno, the InChSyn, and the dairy revolt in the US at the end, it seems to be a symbol for something larger and more fundamental. Money? Food and resources in general?

  4. On p. 290, Stuffy explains to Bruno that, "There is no Statue of Liberty... not where you're going." Instead, we see a Statue of Revolution? Is this a better reality that Bruno might be going to, or worse?

  5. The book ends with a stark shift in narration, unlike any of Pynchon's other works: a letter, from Skeet to Hicks that feels almost like it's addressed directly to the reader. What's the message, if any, that Pynchon wants to leave us with, in what could likely be his final novel? Is he perhaps speaking directly to us through Skeet?


r/ThomasPynchon Nov 05 '25

Announcement A tribute thread to our friend, u/FrenesiGates

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Hey Weirdos,

If you have not signed his obituary guest book or sent flowers for his family, that can be done at his obituary page. To plant trees in memory, that can be done at the Sympathy Store. In lieu of flowers, memorial donations can be made to the Eastern Monroe Public Library (http://monroepl.org)

I have created a wiki page in tribute to our dearly departed u/FrenesiGates for us to remember and honor him. It can be found in the subreddit menu and sidebar at https://www.reddit.com/r/ThomasPynchon/wiki/frenesigates

Please use this thread to leave your messages, memorials, and personal tributes that you'd like to have added to his tribute page. If you comment below with a message you don't wish to be included on his tribute page, please clearly announce that at the beginning of your comment.

I know this is a hard time for all of us; he has been a pillar of this community for over half a decade and has touched a lot of our lives here, on the Discord server, and IRL as well. Lean on one another and give each other grace while we heal from this loss.

-Ob


r/ThomasPynchon 5h ago

Gravity's Rainbow Finally about to start GR

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Just got this in the mail after almost a month of waiting. I read V. Last autumn (in the Italian translation, my native language) and TCOL49 this spring, in the original English. Loved both, getting through the English version was a bit tough at the beginning but after the first 30 pages or so it started flowing and became incredibly rewarding: I decided to jump to GR next given how much I enjoyed it.

I'm thinking of keeping a sheet of paper in the book to write down the various characters' names as they appear to avoid getting completely lost midway through (which to some extent happened to me with V.).

Any further tips on how to approach this beast are welcome! Wish me luck, I'm super excited to dive in :)


r/ThomasPynchon 16h ago

Gravity's Rainbow Animated Map of Gravity's Rainbow

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Hi all! In between some work today I got the idea to have chatGPT pull a timeline from Gravity's Rainbow using the French scene. For each "scene" I had it pull the page number of the edition (1969 Bantam), the approximate date in-universe (where possible), time of day, the characters involved, the location, and a scene summary

It compiled this into a multi-column .dat file that I slurped up into a python notebook and started playing with. After some messing around, I decided to try and animate the trajectories of a handful of characters over a map of Europe, resulting in this MP4

I can't confirm that what it extracted from the novel is correct, and wouldn't be surprised if it got some details totally wrong. But it's pretty good at scraping text and it seems to have gotten the majority of the details right, from what I can tell. Feel free to point out any inaccuracies if you spot them

The selection was meant to cover the novel’s main narrative networks and geographic regions while keeping the animation readable. Characters appearing mostly in flashbacks, dreams, historical digressions, or only one or two mappable scenes were excluded. The resulting cast was Slothrop, Mexico, Pointsman, Katje, Pirate, Jessica, Enzian, and Tchitcherine

Anyway, hope you get a kick out of it! Happy to send my materials to anyone, just shoot me a DM


r/ThomasPynchon 7h ago

💬 Discussion How would you describe Pynchon's narrative voice?

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It doesn't take much to tell that he has a unique style of narration. Having read only two of his works (GR and Lot 49), this 'voice' is definitely more unique in Lot 49, which I could only describe as complexly layered. The sentence structure which he employs is oftentimes interlooping, for example the first sentence of Lot 49, which in itself is 66 words without a period in between:

One summer afternoon Mrs Oedipa Maas came home from a Tupperware party whose hostess had put perhaps too much kirsch in the fondue to find that she, Oedipa, had been named executor, or she supposed executrix, of the estate of one Pierce Inverarity, a California real estate mogul who had once lost two million collars in his spare time but still had assets numerous and tangled enough to make the job of sorting it all out more than honorary.

Now beyond his structural complexity there is also often a shadow of a social commentary intertwined with the themes in his works. There is oftentimes a vivid reflection of the historic background of whatever period of history its set in, and the 'human' element of that period, as in the suffocating human detritus of San Narciso.

Critics often say his works are satirical, but I would say they (specifically Lot 49, I don't remember GR that well) are rather an absurdist reflection of humanity in the gritty bits of society.

I haven't found a way to articulate in a single sentence this voice/style of narration other then "complex". How would you describe Pynchon to someone's who've never read him?


r/ThomasPynchon 9h ago

💬 Discussion The initials “CC” in Against the Day

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on my second read of AtD I’m noticing that the initials “CC” come up a lot. I’ve got Chums of chance, Chunxton Crescent, Clive Crouchmas, Candlebrow Convention, Chick Counterfly thus far.

does anyone have an interpretation of this or am I committing one of my classic signal/noise blunders.

Something about “carbon copy” relating to the idea of doubling??


r/ThomasPynchon 4m ago

Where to Start? New to Pynchon from a specific background

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What Pynchon novel would you recommend to someone who’s immersed in modernist works where meaning is approached in a sincere tone and myth is heightened or even used as a scaffold for narrative? My favorite novels are The Recognitions, Under the Volcano, Berlin Alexanderplatz, A Glastonbury Romance, On the Marble Cliffs, The Magic Mountain, and The Sound and the Fury (the only Faulkner novel I’ve enjoyed)


r/ThomasPynchon 19h ago

Article On Shadow Ticket, Against the Day, and the physics of "Ass & App"

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Hello all! I’m affiliated with a research organization that studies the esoteric properties of Iceland spar and its intersection with art. Of course we had to check out Shadow Ticket for our latest dispatch, what with its Lew Basnight-led connection to Against the Day, which obviously was chock full of spar. We also talk asporting and apporting.

You can read it here: https://sparricinstitute.substack.com/p/bulletin-from-the-refractory-801


r/ThomasPynchon 20h ago

💬 Discussion MK-ULTRA Gravity’s Rainbow comparison

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I’m curious as to what knowledge (if any) Pynchon had of the MK ULTRA experiments conducted by the CIA in the 50s. I just finished Gravity’s Rainbow and am now reading a book on the CIAs experiments with LSD and couldn’t help notice lots of similarities between the White Visitation as well as the usage of Sodium Amytal. I’m pretty sure that the MK ULTRA experiments weren’t publicly disclosed until 1975 and GR was released two years prior. Does anyone have any information or thoughts on these similarities?


r/ThomasPynchon 2d ago

💬 Discussion I've just bought a proof copy of Inherent Vice

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I'm just quite interested in the book as an object as well as the text. Does anyone know if there were many major changes between this copy and the final version? Does anyone know the print run for a copy like this? How often do they come up for sale, and what's the going market price?

Thanks!


r/ThomasPynchon 2d ago

The Crying of Lot 49 A pretty mindblowing analysis of Lot 49 written by author Simon Dovey. "The Crying of Lot 49 - A Jacobin Conspiracy." Really found this to be extremely thought provoking.

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r/ThomasPynchon 2d ago

Gravity's Rainbow Is it Worth Reading Hard Books like Gravity's Rainbow?

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Discussion about GR is at 30 minute mark.

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This video is not mine and yes I do believe hard books are worth reading.


r/ThomasPynchon 3d ago

Mason & Dixon The Great Death-Shade of the Forest; M&D-inspired drawing by me. Chapter 66: ... the Great Ghost of the Woods has been whispering to them: " No ... no more ... no further."

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r/ThomasPynchon 3d ago

Gravity's Rainbow The oldest known light bulb that is still burning was first illuminated in 1901. It is located at 4550 East Avenue, Livermore, California, and is open to public viewing. Its longevity has been attributed to the high quality of its manufacture, it being seldomly turned off, and its low wattage.

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r/ThomasPynchon 4d ago

V. ‘Of a fond ghoul’ from a speech by mafioso Frank Costello?

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From Pynchon‘s letters to his editor, one proposed title for V. was ‘Of a Fond Ghoul’, which he claims he took from a Columbus Day speech by (assumedly the same) New York mafia figure Frank Costello on the subject of Elliot Ness.

I’ve searched around but haven’t been able to find this supposed speech, or any reference to it. I’m wondering if perhaps he meant Joe Colombo, another mafia figure who founded the Italian-American Civil Rights League, though not until much later in the 70s.

Can anybody shed light on this? Did such a speech ever occur? Or is this a joke of sorts?


r/ThomasPynchon 3d ago

Weekly WAYI What Are You Into This Week? | Weekly Thread

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Howdy Weirdos,

It's Sunday again, and I assume you know what the means? Another thread of "What Are You Into This Week"?

Our weekly thread dedicated to discussing what we've been reading, watching, listening to, and playing the past week.

Have you:

  • Been reading a good book? A few good books?
  • Did you watch an exceptional stage production?
  • Listen to an amazing new album or song or band? Discovered an amazing old album/song/band?
  • Watch a mind-blowing film or tv show?
  • Immerse yourself in an incredible video game? Board game? RPG?

We want to hear about it, every Sunday.

Please, tell us all about it. Recommend and suggest what you've been reading/watching/playing/listening to. Talk to others about what they've been into.

Tell us:

What Are You Into This Week?

- r/ThomasPynchon Moderator Team


r/ThomasPynchon 4d ago

Gravity's Rainbow Almost done w Gravity’s Rainbow 2nd time

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Previous time maybe 15-20 years ago. I still feel I’m reading 1000 short stories and dreams that somehow keep collecting around rockets and plastics and bananas. There really isn’t an OH OK moment is there, and yes I’m also an infinite jest re-reader but I get it better and Ulysses by far.


r/ThomasPynchon 4d ago

💬 Discussion Passages you don’t like

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Curious to know what passages you could do without within the Pynchonverse.

For me I always thought the part in GR when Slothrop is sleeping with Bianca and has a moment where he is physically inside of his own penis during orgasm was really clumsily written and oddly forced. It took a lot of the momentum out if a pretty important passage in the book and in Slothrops character arc.

I also know The Couriers Tragedy is polarizing to people on this sub.

Any other examples ?


r/ThomasPynchon 4d ago

Article Mason & Dixon Analysis: Part 2 - Chapter 69: The Eternal West

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r/ThomasPynchon 4d ago

💬 Discussion The first image of Earth ever taken from space, from a V2 rocket in 1946.

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r/ThomasPynchon 4d ago

Article An essay: Terrence Malick and Thomas Pynchon

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r/ThomasPynchon 4d ago

💬 Discussion Does GR ever actually deal with sexuality?

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At a very abstract level, *one says* that GR links sexuality to control, technology, and death. This is, in one sense, the central theme of the book: The Penis [Slothrop] Thought Was His Own. His apparently free sex life is actually conditioned by Jamf and tied to concepts like "synthetics", "finance capital", "war", and even "genocide". We might say that there is a split here between his imaginary ego and the symbolic structures of his unconscious. It all sounds very smart and interesting.

Anyway, when you get down to it, is there any actual sexuality in the novel? Pudding eats Katje's doodoo; we all laugh, and someone says "actually, it's a statement about waste and autopoietic processes we are only dimly aware of, similar to the toothpaste tubes in the Evensong section 🧐". The next person raises his hand and says something about survivor's guilt or the old guard, about indole people and polymers. It's all good fun and provides ample material for smart talk, but it's not sexy.

What's Slothrop's sex life like? Well, he gets a boner, there's a woman nearby, so he sticks it in her. It's hardly something for the reader to get off on or even sympathize with. It all takes place at a very high level of abstraction where it's always "making a point", but there's a kind of massive disconnect from actual sexuality. It's more or less like the limericks in the Mittelwerke, which I've just left in my own reading.

What you end up with, it seems, is a kind of academic truth about how modern technology influences human sexuality, but without any kind of exploration of the ground-level mechanisms of attraction, interest, or horniness. It's all very in-the-sky and technically correct without any of the horny bits. But presumably the horny bits are, you know, the bits that are controlled or controlling, the very processes we're supposed to be thinking about.

When I get home and see my handsome boyfriend and his rugged good looks and his masculine demeanor and I wanna play with his chest hair and suck his dick—that's all fun, and it's very visceral and immediate and attractive. It's also, you know, not unrelated to patriarchal relations of control and subjugation, an ideal of the primal father, a hierarchy, and even exploitation. There's lots of stuff in there: self-degradation, even self-destruction, worship, secondary sex characteristics becoming signifiers anchored to narratives about masculinity, etc.

Most of all, there's.... sex. Sexuality. Attraction. The actual thing that doesn't really seem to appear anywhere in the novel, but which is the missing link that explains how abstract notions like "control" and "technology" condescend to actual human reality and have some kind of effect, as opposed to just being thought-provoking material for saying something smart in the classroom.

Does the book ever actually deal with sex?


r/ThomasPynchon 5d ago

Pynchonesque Killroy Was Here

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This Mercedes-Benz G-wagon had a Killroy hidden behind the grill. I doubt it's intentional, but I was delighted when I saw it.


r/ThomasPynchon 4d ago

Gravity's Rainbow Cassiber - A Screaming Comes Across The Sky

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From the album A Face We All Know by Cassiber.

Kinda funny I got into these guys before Pynchon, so reading Gravity's Rainbow I was instantly hooked.

There's more quotes from the start and end of the novel littered throughout the album.