r/SipsTea • u/Fit-Case1093 • 4h ago

Lmao gottem Let's goooo justice served we need this around the world!

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u/NPCv666 4h ago

Give women who make false claims the same punishment as would have applied to the fabricated perpetrator

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u/just_some_octopus 4h ago

I had a friend in this situation. Got fired as a teacher for it and still wouldnt take him back once exonerated. Year and half of the woman failing to get her key witness to show and snapchat subpoena came through.

Hes fine now and moved and working somewhere else, but the damage was done and miserable for year and half.

Really sucks and damages true situations

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u/Radiant_Switch_4550 4h ago

Agreed, if the "perp" was supposed to get 20 years and have his whole life ruined forever, give the same to the one that made false claims.

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u/wasted-degrees 3h ago

If only there was an equivalent to the sex offender’s registry for people who commit perjury in attempts to frivolously weaponize the court against the innocent.

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u/OnThisDayI_ 3h ago

Just put them on the sex offenders register. Why complicate anything.

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u/David_Shotokan 3h ago

in a certain way she is a sex offender

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u/Large-Hamster-199 3h ago

If, instead of immediately going to the police, a rape victim's first thought is to contact her abuser and ask/blackmail him for money, that is a major red flag to me.

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u/YourOtherGFx 4h ago

extortion and false accusations ruin lives completely, actual prison time is the only real deterrent

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u/Hiza_812 4h ago

makes them just as bad as rapists

they take advantage of the horrors done to others so that gain false sympathy against an innocent individual

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u/Physical-Parking8165 4h ago

Try are worse than the rapists, double the sentence

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u/halueryphi 3h ago

I mean it’s pretty bad but saying that it’s worse than rape is a bit of a stretch

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u/1Dumbsterfire 3h ago

I hear you, but the damage it does to the credibility of actual victims is unacceptable.

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u/speedyoleander 2h ago

That’s the part people sometimes forget. Of course it ruined the life of the person falsely accused but it also makes it so much easier to try to discredit actual victims.

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u/sloth_ers 3h ago

Being a victim of this, its absolutely fucking horrific.

Ex partner of 20 years went full fucking evil because I went for custody of my kids due to her neglect. She very early pushed me to suicide over it. Its not just the police that are involved. Its fucking everyone... from your friends and family having to deal with it down to the mums at the school giving you evils because theyre convinced you're a monster

Trying to take someones freedom with lies like that absolutely should have severe consequences, it really really messes your head and relationships up.

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u/halueryphi 3h ago

Never said it wasn’t, still not worse than raping somebody

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u/DullRip333 2h ago

Id rather get ass blasted over everyone i know hating me for the rest of my life.

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u/sloth_ers 3h ago edited 1h ago

I dn, never been raped so can only imagine the mind fuck from it.

All I can say is this is something I will never recover from. It went on for 3 years with reminders every single day. She still does shit even now.

Its physcological and emotional abuse..which are often just as bad as sexual abuse. So it absolutely can be worse than rape, depending on the outcome.

If I had gone to prison for years over it, which people have, id go as far to say rape is nothing in comparison to that.

You're not looking at the whole picture.

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u/Pootisman16 3h ago

Can permanently ruin someone's life.

Yeah, it's almost as bad in my mind.

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u/Asron87 3h ago

The fuck do you think rape does?

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u/sloth_ers 3h ago

Oh fuck off, they weren't down playing or dismissing the seriousness of rape.

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u/Asron87 3h ago

I might have read their comment wrong so if they are implying a false rape claim can mess up your life and is on pare with being a victim of rape, then I’d agree. But prison itself isn’t inherently as bad or worse.

Found guilty of a rape crime you didn’t comment, yeah that would fuck anyone up.

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u/AbortionSurvivor777 3h ago

Usually people recover psychologically from assault, but it depends on severity and frequency. You don't get years of your life back if wrongly sent to prison.

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u/halueryphi 3h ago

Blatantly untrue, many people do not recover after being raped and the entire course of their lives is altered by it.

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u/AbortionSurvivor777 3h ago

MOST people recover from traumatic experiences. Not everyone gets raped, but everyone experiences trauma in their lives. I know if I had to choose between getting raped or spending a decade in prison I'd choose the former. Hell, I'd probably get both if I went to prison anyway.

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u/halueryphi 2h ago

How are you defining recovery? Fully returning to the cognition and emotional well-being that was prevalent pre rape does not occur for most individuals.

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u/Asron87 3h ago

Both can be bad.

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u/Service-Hungry 3h ago

“Can”??

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u/Asron87 3h ago

More than one thing can be bad at once. Jesus fuck reading comprehension has gone to shit.

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u/No_Road5857 3h ago

Nope. It's true. Rape is horrible, a violation of your body. It is also by nature private. No one will know about the violation unless you tell them.

Rape accusations are a violation of your mind. And body, being arrested in the middle of the night from the comfort of your bed, shoved into a police car in your underwear, and you did NOTHING. You were living your life. They are also extremely public. You are forced into a public, violating display, by the judges and police and the accuser. You have no chance of your most humiliating and violating moment being private. Instead, you will be paraded around, and the general public will gleefully join in on your violation. You will not be considered a victim of violation, but a perpetrator. Public opinion will continually violate you. You have no escape, even after being proven innocent.

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u/Luklear 3h ago

I’d rather be raped than go to jail for 20 years

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u/Few_Chocolate_7655 2h ago

Not sure I agree with this.

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u/Hiza_812 53m ago

why so?

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u/fern_shape 3h ago

Justice should protect genuine victims while also holding deliberate false accusers accountable.

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u/David_Shotokan 3h ago

O for the love of God I wish this would be true some day. Ripper of everything they hold dear and marked for life like the man would have if she had het way. Would be nice to have a balance in that once.

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u/SoulTechnicalProblem 3h ago

Same punishment should apply to anyone framing someone else for a crime.

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u/Several-Opposite-746 2h ago

She got off lucky given her criminal offences of false accusations and blackmail against her victim. My guess is that this psychopath will charm her way to a reduced sentence for "good" behaviour.

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u/marpi9999 3h ago

Yeah, so a slap on the wrist and 6 months probation you mean?

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u/Inevitable-Regret411 4h ago edited 4h ago

The problem is that risks preventing real victims or witnesses from coming forward, because they're afraid of being accused of making a false claim if the defendant is found not guilty. There's no perfect solution here. 

Edit: downvote me all you want, but I've yet to hear a good solution to this problem. 

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u/Hoybom 4h ago

well real victims have a tendency to have facts and the little bonus of it actually happend

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u/Inevitable-Regret411 4h ago

The problem is proving that in court. If you get attacked and nobody sees it happen, it can easily turn into a he-said-she-said argument. 

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u/CantaloupeOne7283 4h ago edited 4h ago

Demonstrably false, not just unproven claims. It should be shown that the false claims were intentional before any punishment. But there should definitely be a layer of justice when it's proven in court that claims were not just unproven, but false. Should apply to cops especially.

Somewhere along the line, perjury became an unpunished crime.

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u/Oops_All_Bans 4h ago

If you can prove they're actually lying then there's your solution.

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u/0x14f 4h ago

The defendant being found not guilty and the accuser having been shown demonstrably lying are two different things and the former doesn't imply the latter.

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u/Comprehensive-Leg-82 4h ago

In those cases intent to needs to be proven with the same scrutiny as rape needs to be proven. Problem solved

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u/trueppp 4h ago

Don't make false claims and you'll be ok.

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u/Inevitable-Regret411 3h ago

As always, the hard part is providing that either way. If you got attacked somewhere with no witnesses, how would you prove your account was true rather than false?

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u/StarMagus 4h ago

Yup. That said Not-guilty would not be even close enough to a standard for proof the claim was false.

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u/DarthXOmega 4h ago

DNA exists.

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u/Inevitable-Regret411 4h ago

But is far from being definitive in all cases. If nothing else DNA evidence of this type of crime doesn't normally persist that long inside the victim's body. 

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u/DarthXOmega 3h ago

Do you actually know that or are you just saying it? 72 hours to 10 days doesn’t seem like a short time to me

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u/Inevitable-Regret411 3h ago

For a victim who may be seriously injured, drugged, traumatised, or otherwise have their rational thinking affected, it's not inconceivable they might not think to go to the police so evidence can be collected within the first few days after the incident. 

Besides, the presence of DNA evidence would only prove that they had sex with that person. It wouldn't prove if they were a consenting partner. 

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u/DarthXOmega 3h ago

If my grandma had wheels she would be a bike

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u/Sure_Eye9025 4h ago

Same tired argument as always, the answer to that is that any arrest, charge, or conviction of making a false allegation would require evidence that the claim is false.

Was the claim impossible to have happened? Is there text messages where they admit to fabricating the claims? Etc, etc. Nobody is saying this would or should happen just because the original claim comes back not guilty

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u/Inevitable-Regret411 3h ago

That's not going to solve the problem. Witnesses will still be be too afraid to testify if they know that if they make a mistake or misremember any details they'll be opening themselves up to being accused of fabricating claims. 

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u/Sure_Eye9025 3h ago

But again that is not what is being said. we are talking actual physical evidence that it was a malicious attempt to attack someone.

For example Elanor Williams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Williams_(criminal)) in her case the police found that in one of the eight allegations she made (the second FYI so she went on to do the same to six other men after) messages that she provided as evidence to incriminate the victim were in fact sent from an account she set up from the WiFi at her mothers house.

For her sixth allegation CCTV footage and records from the hotel she was staying in directly contradicted her story in a way that would be impossible to simply be misremembering.

She later alleged she was attacked and raped by multiple men and beaten with a hammer, however evidence showed she purchased the hammer herself and the exam by doctors identified the injuries as self inflicted.

The consequence of her campaign of false allegations was multiple attempted suicides, multiple racially motivated attacks (she claimed to have been trafficked by asian gangs), and vandalism against the victims houses and property. She directly and deliberately put the victims of her lies lives at risk and for several of them caused permanent irreperable harm.

Why shouldn't she face consequences for that?

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u/Inevitable-Regret411 3h ago

I'm not saying she shouldn't face consequences, when such overwhelming evidence exists people should face prison.

The problem is that it's extremely difficult to prove that someone was making a deliberate false allegation either way. At the same time your earlier comment about viewing "impossible" witness statements as evidence of deliberate falsehood doesn't really work since humans, especially traumatised humans, don't have perfect memories and will misremember details.

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u/Sure_Eye9025 3h ago

I'm not saying she shouldn't face consequences, when such overwhelming evidence exists people should face prison.

Then where is the line? When does it cross into enough evidence for you? Because your earlier points did not seem to support the position there is ever enough evidence.

At the same time your earlier comment about viewing "impossible" witness statements as evidence of deliberate falsehood doesn't really work since humans, especially traumatised humans, don't have perfect memories and will misremember details.

At this point you are either misunderstanding or misrepresenting what is being said. This isn't about someone misremembering the exact details, this is about there being evidence of a timeline laid out.

Take the hypothetical, person A decides to accuse person B of raping them. So to set up their story they send a text message to a friend saying that person B raped them last night.

Two months later they report it to the police. During the investigation it is discovered that a week either side of the alleged offense person B was in a different country.

In this example they are not misremembering or misspeaking, the text message lays out a clear timeline. Even if we gave them a degree of benefit of the doubt and said trauma could have led to them saying it wrong in the text message the timeline is impossible to have match up.

As I have said repeatedly this is about sufficient evidence, a single misremembered detail would not by itself be sufficient evidence sure. But that isn't all that can possibly exist

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u/Candid_Emphasis1048 3h ago

A weak argument always used. If we start punishing people who lie those who tell the truth won't tell the truth? How many men have lost years of their life due to false claims and lost everything after being sent to prison? The system protects women more often than not even when they make false claims.

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u/Inevitable-Regret411 3h ago

Have you checked the conviction rate for rape? In most countries it's under 10% because of the extremely high threshold of evidence needed to secure a conviction. You'd struggle to argue the system protects alleged victims. 

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u/Roaming-Around 56m ago

Well, if the threshold of evidence is not met in 90% of cases that implies a significant proportion of cases could be false allegations.

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u/Inevitable-Regret411 54m ago

That's certainly a possibility. It's equally possible that the majority of cases just have no conclusive evidence either way. If the assault happens while the victim is alone with no witnesses it's extremely hard to prove anything. 

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u/Roaming-Around 45m ago

Yes, it is indeed a possibility. Moreover, it is a much higher probability than you suggest because if an assault takes place there will normally be some DNA evidence, signs of struggle etc even if a victim was alone.

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u/Inevitable-Regret411 41m ago

Signs of a struggle might not be evident if the victim was drugged or otherwise incapacitated. DNA evidence would at best identify who the other person was but wouldn't be enough to conclusively prove if it was a consensual encounter or not. 

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u/Roaming-Around 29m ago

There is all kinds of evidence. For example, unexpected drugs in the victim, sperm inside the victim, perps skin under victims nails. Who knows, I am not CSI but I expect there would be some evidence if a person were to be convicted. That said, the burden of proof is beyond reasonable doubt… so, respectfully, it is pointless saying a particular incident might not have conclusive proof - that is basically a not guilty scenario anyway… where the “victim” “could” still be a false accuser.

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u/Inevitable-Regret411 25m ago

I feel like we're getting side tracked debating the validity of any one type of evidence. The point is it's entirely possible for a rape to occur without producing evidence that meets the threshold required for a guilty verdict. That's why the conviction rate tends to be so low, and why we should be extremely hesitant to assume that the victim fabricated their account in the absence of evidence that they did. 

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bed5132 1h ago

You're right. This article paints a very different picture from the one being shared in this thread:

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/british-woman-rape-allegation-hong-kong-conviction-1796435

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u/Overshoot2053 1h ago

Sounds good in theory until women who have actually been raped stop reporting it for fear that they’ll be imprisoned for making a “false” accusation.

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u/Awkward-Meeting-974 4h ago

It hasn’t actually been proven that this is a false claim though and it is almost impossible to prove a claim is false

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u/octavian343 3h ago

Key word being almost.

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u/Eastern-Carpenter925 3h ago

They’re right though, I do NOT condone falsely accusing anybody of rape. It’s a fucking joke, lives get completely ruined, from the accusation alone. It’s one of those crimes that’s never truly innocent before proven guilty. Guys are always proven guilty.

The problem is just because you can’t prove someone is guilty of rape beyond reasonable doubt, doesn’t mean that it definitely didn’t happen, or that automatically the person who made the claim was making false accusations why isn’t reasonable doubt. It’s such a slippery slope to go down.

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u/octavian343 3h ago

You can dismiss a case without having to convict the accuser.

If someone reports a generic SA vs being adamant it’s one specific person who has an alibi across the country.

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u/martijn120100 3h ago

Agreed. Rape and other sexual crimes are already underraported, hanging a sword above their heads isn't going to improve that

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u/Ebonvvings 4h ago

In US, she would get 1 million gofundme

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u/AetherStyle 3h ago edited 3h ago

She seriously tried this shit in Hong Kong? LOOL

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u/UltraTata 1h ago

She was used to British justice

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u/BoogBeeg 3h ago edited 3h ago

This happened to my brother. He had a girlfriend, she had met our family and everything. Turns out she already had a boyfriend and she was seeing my brother while the boyfriend was working away. Boyfriend found out and you can guess what she claimed. Fortunately, a litany of messages, photos and family witnesses stopped an innocent person from going to prison.

This situation still doesn't alter the fact that too many guilty rapists get away with it, though.

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u/Annonomon 51m ago

That's some scary shit. I hope that I never date a psycho like that. I'm going to start wearing a bodycam

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u/Ironmasked-Kraken 3h ago

A girl I rejected once accused my friend of this. The thing was since I was there that night she says he did I know it's a lie.

She didn't try suing or nothing. But it seems she claimed this so I'd get upset or something. It was weird. She only said this to me and another friend of mine

But as I said he was literally with me the entire night as we were drinking, he passed out on my couch. It was literally impossible for him to do this

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u/Commercial_Rule_7823 3h ago

She should face same setence as the false crime she claimed would have faced.

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u/Jujubatron 4h ago

Thank God they don't "believe all women" over there.

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u/HowdTheCatGetSoFat 3h ago

Believe all women - unless the accused has lots of money or fame. America!

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u/Mnawab 3h ago

I’ve been getting a ton of hate because I said the rape allegations against Cristiano Ronaldo were probably also fake because there was no evidence and it’s one of those situations where he was clearly being blackmailed. I mean, I don’t know how you end up in his hotel room willingly and then be surprised that sex was gonna be on the table. Reddit was going to Reddit of course. It’s not that rich successful people can’t rape, but that they’re more likely to get false rate accusations because they have money and fame. A guy like Cristiano Ronaldo can have nearly anyone.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bed5132 3h ago edited 1h ago

I don’t know how you end up in his hotel room willingly and then be surprised that sex was gonna be on the table

Jesus fucking Christ, you have no idea how consent works, do you? Seriously, please avoid women for your own good and theirs.

Edit: why did you delete your reply to me?

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u/Worldly_Cap_6440 3h ago

He was accused twice, with two separate instances. 2009 and 2005. So I’m sure you’ll have another excuse for both of course, gotta protect the rich and powerful after all.

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u/Mnawab 3h ago

Yeah, because again rich, famous guy lol. I say point to me the evidence and why were they in his hotel room, but you’re not gonna answer that question. Hoing  for that black mail money is real.

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u/And_Im_the_Devil 1h ago

I don't know where you live, but in the US, where I live, "believe all women" has never been how the legal system operates. False claims are rare, and women who've actually been raped have a hell of a time seeking justice.

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u/Proper-Peak-3005 14m ago

It seems that in most capitalist countries seeking justice for anyone about anything is a hell of a time when you are poor

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u/Y2Ksurvivor13 4h ago

6 years isn't nearly enough, and this needs to become standard punishment

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u/zarkione 4h ago

Justice should never be optional.

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u/emiliabow 3h ago

So satisfying, love a happy ending!

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u/V65Pilot 1h ago

I had a female landlord who decided she didn't want to rent to me anymore, but I had a lease. She told me that I could either move out, or she'd call the police and tell them I attacked her. As a man, I have no defence against an accusation like that, and the police will automatically believe the accuser. By the time the truth is sorted, my life would be ruined. I just got my shit and got out.

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u/n0thing0riginal 3h ago

Nobody here knows anything about this case (me included) and nobody should be blindly trusting HK judges after China steamrolled their sovereignty in 2019

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u/Radiant_Switch_4550 4h ago

If she wanted to make false rape claims against men, she should have moved to the US. She would have faced no consequences of trying to ruin a person's life.

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u/Agent_RubberDucky 1h ago

We have a rapist for a president and you think she’d be able to pull off a false rape accusation? Rapists get off easy half the time.

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u/arllt89 4h ago

What makes you remotely believe this is some novelty ? False accusation is already harshly punished, but like rape cases, justice takes many years to judge these and it is hard to prove. However only one half of the problem seems to bother you, the half where the victim doesn't have an incapacitating trauma for their whole life.

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u/chill_stoner_0604 1h ago

the half where the victim doesn't have an incapacitating trauma for their whole life.

Being imprisoned for a crime you didn't commit is pretty damn traumatizing. What are you trying to say here

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u/ImNotAHouseCat 3h ago

Apparently a woman’s suffering is nothing compared to a man’s.
Not saying one is ok but both are bad and need to be acknowledged.

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u/petera181 4h ago

I know absolutely nothing about this specific case, and OP has provided no source other than a picture.

But the caption definitely makes me think OP is some weird manosphere rape apologist. The bias is definitely against victims of rape in the majority of cases. The implication that there is an epidemic of “false accusations” is the opposite of the truth. The truth is that the vast majority of rapes and sexual assaults go unprosecuted.

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u/Abdulbarr 4h ago

I don't understand, how was that implication made and who's saying that majority of people have a bias against rape victims?

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u/Panpancanstand 4h ago

How about a news article.

https://guelph.ctvnews.ca/world/article/hong-kong-jails-uk-woman-over-false-rape-accusation/

The bias should be against the State trying to prove the case. We still believe that it's better for a guilty person to go free than an innocent man jailed. Right?

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bed5132 3h ago

There's no evidence that she wasn't raped. If she was jailed purely for the blackmail, then fair enough, but there's no actual evidence that she made a false claim of rape.

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u/Panpancanstand 1h ago

... Yes there is... Like literally.

Per the article:

Hong Kong’s security bureau said in a letter to media in April that Rose’s initial rape claim was “duly investigated”, but that the investigation found evidence that contradicted her account.

i.e. There is evidence that says the rape didn't happen.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bed5132 1h ago edited 1h ago

From what I can gather reading other sources, the evidence is that she deleted some texts, and used disappearing messages on WhatsApp. I've not found anything that states something more conclusive.

Anyway, here are a couple of articles that paint a somewhat different picture:

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/british-woman-rape-allegation-hong-kong-conviction-1796435

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/22/british-woman-jailed-hong-kong-false-allegations

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u/Panpancanstand 24m ago

Excellent. Thank you.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bed5132 13m ago

No worries. The IB Times article in particular makes me doubt the Hong Kong narrative a bit. It does look like a "he said, she said" situation, and while there doesn't appear to have been enough evidence to convict the guy, it doesn't look like there was enough to convict her either, certainly not by UK standards.

The celebrations by OP and in these comments just look a little... weird.

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u/Trustoryimtold 4h ago

It may be an image but has a url that happens to be a source 

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u/Kawadamark1 4h ago

80% of the posts in this sub have a never felt the touch of a human woman vibe to them.

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u/MatchAlternative8118 4h ago

I thought the same to be honest.

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u/Upbeat_Place_9985 4h ago

Highly recommend the Netflix documentary Victim/Suspect

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u/BasedEmu 3h ago

Hong kong?

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u/-mentalmelt- 1h ago

Before you celebrate justice served, you might want to read up on the story. I don't think she got a fair trial.

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u/Pathfinder4891 1h ago

I hope this is true, otherwise will be hell for those who are discredited

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u/Lebowski304 47m ago

Do stupid shit win stupid prizes. She belongs in prison as a sex offender

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u/CDdead 4h ago

Huge win. Put all people that lie or make these claims behind bars.

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u/Alone-Bug4328 3h ago

Good.

I've represented many people accused of sexual assault. There are some where it's in the evidence that they might have made the accusations for another reason. Even if the charge was withdrawn, nothing happens to these people ! About time. We need more punishment on these false accusers.

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u/chocolatchipcookie2 3h ago

thats a win. bro dodged a tactical nuke and a red flag

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u/Awes12 3h ago

The issue is it has to be absolutely conclusive, we can't be locking up victims. We also can't punish people for confessing or they hust wouldn't confess. If it's absolutely conclusive tho, for sure, lock them up for as long as they tries to get the other person locked up.

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u/Few_Chocolate_7655 2h ago

Damn, who would have thought we saw the day when this is taken seriously.

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u/[deleted] 4h ago edited 1h ago

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u/stevenmoreso 3h ago

Funny how it’s men least likely to be affected who find the most pleasure with this.

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u/Inevitable-Regret411 3h ago

One person starts posting it, then all the lurkers see it and assume that if someone else can get away with it they can as well. At the same time all the normal people see the abundance of incel posts and flee the sub, and just like that we've got an echo chamber. 

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u/ImNotAHouseCat 3h ago

I feel like reddit itself is incel bait

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u/gemdragonrider 3h ago

Don’t you know this sub is a pendulum. Some days it’s “Andrew Tate arrested! Trump bad!” And other days it’s “liberal owned! Women can’t be trusted!” It is the bot war ground

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u/FewJob4450 3h ago

I'm just here for the occasional boob

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u/OGWayOfThePanda 2h ago

Weirdo response to this story. Dude should be on a list.

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u/Suitable-Guide-1469 4h ago

I think the 1/1000 women who make false rape claims are not as important as the 999 rapists

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u/klockmakrn 4h ago

I don't understand your comment at all.
Why is there a conflict, can't we agree that both rapists and false accusers are terrible people? And where in the world did you get those numbers from?

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u/Y2Ksurvivor13 4h ago

No, to some people only men can be terrible

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u/ClearlyVaguelyWeird 4h ago

She got them out of someone's ass against his will. Shame, but he shouldn't have dressed like that.

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u/[deleted] 4h ago

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u/klockmakrn 3h ago

And that's weird as fuck to bring up in some kind of defense when discussing a different crime. It's like bursting into a discussion about someone who has been raped and screaming about how horrible it is to falsely accuse someone of rape.

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u/Inevitable-Regret411 4h ago

Both are terrible people. The problem is the worryingly large group that tries to argue that genuinely victims should be ignored because of the minute possibility they're fabricating their story. 

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u/chill_stoner_0604 1h ago

Is this "worryingly large group" in the room with us? All I see is people wanting actual evidence and penalties for proven false accusations

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 4h ago

Tell that to the one innocent guy who goes to jail

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u/petera181 4h ago

Would you rather 999 rapes go unpunished? The vast majority of rapes, even when they obviously are true claims, are not punished.

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u/AdReady9269 4h ago

Would you be ok to serve sentence in prison where you would get raped, mutilated or killed for the crime you didn't commit?

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 4h ago

No, but I will not weigh them against each other in numbers, I refuse to do so and so should you.

ETA: Both rapists and people making false rape accusations are people committing horrible crimes. Both regardless of gender.

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u/Berlin_GBD 3h ago

That is literally one of the cornerstones of democracy. Letting a single innocent person go to jail is one of the worst crimes a state can commit

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u/LivingBowler1041 3h ago

Yes. I'd rather 10000 people guilty of serious crimes goes free than 1 person being falsely imprisoned. Not even a question. If you disagree im sure you'd feel the same way if you were the one goin to jail for something you didnt do.

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u/Oops_All_Bans 3h ago

It's not an if/or situation. Both can be prosecuted.

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u/chill_stoner_0604 1h ago

So you would be ok serving 10 years for a rape you didn't commit?

You would be doing your part for the other 999 after all

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u/LillthOfBabylon 4h ago

People like you are hurting victims, not helping them

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u/Bagel_chan 4h ago

I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. Making a false claim is wrong and gross but their punishment shouldn't be as bad as an actual rapists should. Rapists deserve castration, period.

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u/AnnihilatorOfPeanuts 4h ago edited 3h ago

False claim ruin someone life, those accusation even if disproven will follow him all his life, impact his job opportunities too.
What about the damage she have done for the women that actually got raped? There is sadly countless of them out there, that lived trought something traumatising, she didn’t think twice trying to lies about it to get some money ,not caring about the damage done to the case of women that did get raped.

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u/Tawanda- 4h ago

What happens to women who did get raped but the guy gets off? She goes to prison?

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bed5132 43m ago

In this case, probably yes. I mean she totally fucked up by trying to blackmail him, so we don't know what would have happened if she hadn't, but it's not a clear cut case like OP is implying.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/british-woman-rape-allegation-hong-kong-conviction-1796435

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u/chill_stoner_0604 1h ago

Not unless there is proof she lied. In this case, she was jailed for blackmail

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u/Similar_Past 2h ago

Black people proudly represent their culture and get smoked all over the globe

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u/Halfchopdz 2h ago

I didn't follow the trial, and I haven't done any research into the case, so I'm not going to comment on the evidence itself. I just hope it truly was a case of blackmail and that she wasn't actually raped.

At the same time, I hope cases like this don't discourage genuine victims from coming forward out of fear that they'll be dismissed as making a false accusation or even face punishment. From what I understand, the key issue here seems to be the alleged blackmail, not simply making an accusation. Hopefully people recognize that distinction.