r/Salsa Feb 12 '24

Discussion: suppressing valuable discussion vs allowing slander and doxxing

72 Upvotes

This is the sub mod, reaching out for discussion on the influx of posts (and reports) regarding the recent posts about predatory behavior in the salsa scene. TLDR: In this post, I will talk a little on the current sub policy on moderation, discuss a bit of context on what I am required to remove from the sub, and then add my thoughts on path forward. The last will be up for some discussion here, as we try to figure out what we as an online salsa community want to be.

  1. Current mod policy: my current mod policy is to let upvotes and downvotes speak. Things are often reported that don't really break sub rules or are bad text posts by people who are annoying to many of you in the sub. I do not remove these posts. One of the reasons I do not is that, despite being downvoted into the negatives, many of these posts tend to foster a healthy amount of discussion and engagement in the comments that are relevant to the dance scene. Another type of oft-reported post are the ones that link to a site or blog or whatever. The current rule is not to spam them and not to sell anything. The reason is that there are things that you may not be interested in that others may find useful. Again, upvotes/downvotes do a lot of heavy lifting. In the cases that the line crosses from occasional self promotion to spam, I have reached out to those individuals via DM to help clarify the policy, and if required, temp ban them. My point is, generally I do not like using mod powers to shape the subreddit to be what I want, but rather what the community wants to see.

  2. Which brings me to my next point - things I must remove. According to reddit content policy rule 3 (https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy) I am supposed to remove anything that reveals personal information or uses such to instigate harassment. The kicker: public figures may be an exception to this rule. And a public figure is "a person who has achieved fame, prominence or notoriety within a society, whether through achievement, luck, action, or in some cases through no purposeful action of their own."

As you can see, the whole thing is kind of murky, especially as it applies to the recent discussions on predatory behavior. As someone who takes part in another sport that is rife with these types of scandals (against children on top of that), I have personally seen that shining light into these corners of darkness has a huge effect. So I am not keen to suppress legitimate discussions about this topic in our community.

On the other hand, reddit is full of examples of failed witch hunts and anonymous bullying. And some of the discussions, veiled or otherwise, have been naming individuals who may not even be on this site to defend themselves. I'm not keen to allow mudslinging (especially without proof) in a subreddit that is meant to celebrate dancing. I can imagine a scenario in which a instructor or school uses the current discussions to cast unfounded doubt or outright accusations against an innocent rival.

So how to walk the line between useful discussion and baseless name calling?

  1. Thoughts on path forward - I propose that we continue to allow upvotes and downvotes dictate what goes on the page relative to these discussions, with a couple of tweaks. Naming regions or cities in comments/posts is okay. Talking about your experiences about unnamed people is okay. Opening discussions on predatory behavior, what that behavior looks like from start to finish, and providing support in the wake of aftermath--all okay. What is not okay is accusing people by name in the top level posts or in comments unless you have a link to an objective article/police report/etc. that backs up the claim. Instead, I propose that you leave an invite at the end of your post/comment for any one to DM you if they would like to discuss details/names in private. Those that would benefit from knowing will still have the opportunity to find out what/who they should be careful of, without violating any reddit policies. It would also allow the two users to have a more frank conversation, and at the end of the day it will be for the requester to determine the credibility of the poster.

Is this a perfect solution? Of course not. But I've been a mod here for 12 years and this is the first time something like this has happened, so I'm happy to entertain other suggestions.

Lastly - I consider the Yamulee fight video to be an example the original mod policy. The post is relevant to the salsa community, and it doesn't violate any rules in and of itself. Yes--the juxtaposition of the OP's 2 only posts implies bias/agenda, but the upvotes/downvotes very clearly pushed the post to negative votes and floated context on the altercation to the very first comment.

That said, I am happy to discuss how to treat videos like this in the future. There is a very real argument that it is not relevant to salsa music or dancing and that it should be removed.

Thanks for reading my novel.


r/Salsa 8h ago

La música siempre es mejor en vivo. Echa un vistazo a esta actuación de Isaac Delgado y su orquesta tocando el inolvidable “No Me Mires a los Ojos” (“No mires mis ojos”). La energía, la habilidad musical y la conexión con el público son lo que hacen que la música cubana sea tan especial.

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r/Salsa 9h ago

La música siempre es mejor en vivo. Echa un vistazo a esta actuación de Isaac Delgado y su orquesta tocando el inolvidable “No Me Mires a los Ojos” (“No mires mis ojos”). La energía, la habilidad musical y la conexión con el público son lo que hacen que la música cubana sea tan especial.

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r/Salsa 21h ago

Are all the top dancers well off?

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I keep track on stardancevideo to pick up new moves but also enjoy.

A thought which has struck my mind: are the non professional dancers who often go to the international socials well off? I dont mean Terry etc who might get paid to be there.

The dance house has many events frequently and in other countries. But doing 10 events a year in 10 different countries seems expensive.

are the top dancers in the scene well off?

Or do they love the dance so much that they might give half their income to dance.


r/Salsa 19h ago

London socials (specifically this Fri?)

2 Upvotes

Searched the group and not a lot of recent activity on this but curious about any good salsa (or bachata but salsa preferred) socials in London, ideally this coming Friday night? On1 or on2. TYIA!


r/Salsa 18h ago

1M views • 36K likes | Reel by Museo de la Salsa

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If we only had a musical school like that everywhere for Latin children and for every culture because all Latin music is African at root


r/Salsa 1d ago

Why are some leads better at transferring momentum to their partners than others?

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Some leads give a lot of power, some much less. Is it really all technique?


r/Salsa 1d ago

What style of salsa dancing is this?

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r/Salsa 1d ago

Dancing both Cuban and on1/2

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i am dancing crossbody for a few years now and i am quite comfortable with it. however sometimes i really would love to be able to adapt my salsa style depending on the follower and the music.

i know some cuban moves because i have danced rueda in the past, but i struggle with the circular leading. i try not to mix the styles but it sometimes happens that i start cuban but end up dancing crossbody. the followers usually say they don't mind but i think it feels off and would prefer to lead the whole song smoothly in one style.

are there any experiences with adapting new salsa styles?

edit: sorry for misleading title. with on1/2 i actually mean crossbody


r/Salsa 1d ago

Rotation etiquette (Too many leads, lower level classes so I dance solo sometimes).

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Hey all. Excuse the ambiguity in the title.

So, I've been learning Salsa since February. And I also go to a group that started in January, another in March. Finally, I attend a group that started in April. 8 hours per week. ​

This April group naturally covers material I know, but it doesn't hurt to repeat content. However, there are always 5 extra leads in the group, who are less advanced and usually learning these things for the first time plus, they most likely only learn salsa 2 hours per week.

As a result, after we've fully covered the figure and they put on a song for rotation, unless there's something new for me I just tell the leads to walk past me to the waiting follow while I do steps. Last night I got called out on it by the instructors, who know I attend multiple, more advanced groups. After responding about the extra leads and I'm letting them practise more (I'm not gonna tell the entire group I have done the class material 50x in other classes and socials already, it would be terrible optics), I got called "Mother Teresa but a bit taller and less wrinkles".

It was a bit patronising, and the vibe of the school is making jokes so I wasn't shocked, but I wish they'd just ignore it. I don't feel like I'm disrupting the class, I'm helping the leads, why do they need to bring attention to it?

I don't know Reddit, I'd like additional input. Is there any way that my behaviour to let other leads practice more detrimental to the learning process? Or am I just being too unorthodox that the instructors can't ignore it.

TL;DR I'm in a group heavy on leads, that is repeating content I know, and I sometimes let leads go ahead of me so they get more practice and the instructors called me out on it. ​I think they should ignore it, especially as they know I am in more advanced classes. Am I doing something wrong here? ​

Thanks.


r/Salsa 1d ago

Have you ever cried after a dance?

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There are so many beautiful songs and dances out there. Has a dance ever made you overcome with emotion because of how beautiful it was?

What was special about it? Were you able to ever recreate that feeling?


r/Salsa 1d ago

Salsa Dance Partner in Nagpur

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Hi, This is Sohan, 33 years old from Nagpur. I want to know if there is a girl out there in Nagpur who would want to learn different dance forms like Salsa, Bachata?


r/Salsa 1d ago

App-Idee: "digitale Karteikarten" für Tanzvideos – Feedback & Tester gesucht!

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Hi everyone,

I'm Magnus, developer and dancer. Because the chaos in Google Photos annoys me, I'm building an app for managing and learning dance videos – basically digital flashcards for dance videos.

I'm currently looking for testers and feedback!

If you want to try out the MVP or have ideas (or alternative apps), just get in touch or leave a comment!


r/Salsa 2d ago

Do most people even dance Cali style in Cali, Colombia?

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I'm new to Cali and have been to a few clubs. Yes, salsa is very popular here but it seemed most people didn't really dance Cali style. The most common moves were basic footwork, hip sway, close embrace, side steps, and sometimes turns. At the places I've been to, there were some people who did the intricate footwork, but they were the minority. The only people I saw doing many turns were foreigners.

I know that there are salsa specific venues and a plethora of Cali style dancers. Enough to find events any day of the week. However, seeing that at normal clubs the average person dances more simple. I'm wondering if I should just focus on body movement, musicality, and rhythm to dance with the general population, instead of learning a style (Cali) that could takes months to learn.


r/Salsa 1d ago

Why do some follows ask for my name during a dance?

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Like, why? What are you going to do with that information. What am I missing?


r/Salsa 2d ago

When DJ plays El Cantante and I immediately regret accepting a dance 😝

12 Upvotes

Sorry, leads. Unless you’re Alex Morel, I can’t look so smiley for 10 minutes straight. 😂


r/Salsa 2d ago

Recommended NYC classes

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Hi all, I will be going to NYC for 3-4 months to take classes. I have been dancing salsa for 2.5 years, 1 year on 1, then I started with On2.

I am looking for a studio that has the best social dancing technique and instructors.

What I care about:

- Social dancing

- Technique

- Studios that take time to explain the why behind things, I really dislike pattern based classes with little technique and explanations

What I don't care about:

- how good of a human being the instructors are, I'm paying a lot of money to improve, not to judge people.

- how many scandals they were involved in

- how many students they slept with

- performing/choreography

I would really appreciate advice as this will determine where I rent.

I was looking at ET jr classes, I really like ET Jr, but I saw he doesn't teach level 1-2, and the other instructors are relatively new and I didn't particularly like their styles. I looked a bit into LFM but honestly, am not particularly fond of angels style either. I am leaning towards empire based on visual test (preference for style of Adolfo, Brayan, Eric, Sarah )


r/Salsa 2d ago

Beginner Hell for Lead

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never dance before, and started my journey 5 months ago, really got into it probably 3 months ago, 3 days a week for class. Recently went to my 3rd socials, and felt awkward, and kept counting the beat, but still have timing issue. Got rejected by couple follows, and feel embarrassed. I tried to enjoy the music, but don't want to keep doing basic steps, and result of dancing like a robot. Really need some input here.


r/Salsa 3d ago

Masc women leaders in your community?

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Hi everyone!

I'm a masculine-presenting lesbian and I love salsa (mostly cubana). In my home country, the community was really tiny and I was always the only visible queer person. I started as a follow but I changed to lead after a few months because 1) it fitted better with my gender expression and 2) the level was not very high so being a lead felt more challenging and fun.

Some time ago I moved to a very big city in a different country, known for being queer and alternative and to my surprise, I'm still the only masc woman leading in different circles. It doesn't bother me and it also doesn't bother the other dancers but I'm still curious about other comminities/cities.

I would love to hear whether you guys have masc women leaders (or are one yourselves!) in your salsa communities and if so, where you're dancing. I have seen amazing masc dancers on Instagram but never seen another one on the same dancefloor.


r/Salsa 3d ago

Dance sneakers for wider flat fleet?

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I'm a female social salsa dancer and I'm finding that the options for dance sneakers that are light and good for dancing but also won't cause some discomfort by the end of the night and potentially a blister slim.

What are some dance sneakers you have found that have a wide toe box or at least different widths to accommodate different feet? My fuegos are currently fine but I do notice my toes chafe against them by the end of a night out social dancing, so recommendations are much appreciated.


r/Salsa 3d ago

Salsa is so good, got out of my approach anxiety

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Hi, is anyone was anti social before, and salsa helped them, i used to be very shy, but once i did salsa i am scared no more of approaching someone. 😇


r/Salsa 3d ago

Made a site to help hear the rhythm and instruments in salsa music!

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r/Salsa 3d ago

Brooklyn lessons for complete beginner

1 Upvotes

looking for studio reccomendations near Flatbush and/or Bedstuy- anyone have experience with Balmir Latin Dance Studio? Interested in Cuban salsa but not a dealbreaker


r/Salsa 4d ago

Elvis Crespo: “Por el Caminito” (1999) - 90 mph merengue

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r/Salsa 4d ago

Dancing with short men

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Hello. I’ve been wanting to try salsa for years. I haven’t yet though because of my height (5’1”). Honestly, I didn’t want to make women feel uncomfortable with my height difference when dancing. My question: is it worth it for me to try this activity? Should I have any trepidation in giving it a try? Thank you in advance for your time and your responses.