r/Quareia May 10 '26

A note regarding cross-posted content and other sub-reddits

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Hello everyone,

So there is one thing I want to address regarding a recent thread that was referring to stuff posted on another sub-reddit.

As I mentioned in that same thread, the purpose of this sub-reddit is not to justify the existence of Josephine's work nor to defend her. Quareia doesn't need defenders, nor does she. This place exists primarily to help people who are interested in the course while trying to maintain some balance with its solitary practice aspect.

Please keep in mind that there will always be drama in occult circles. There are always those who disagree, those who are disgruntled ex-students, or those who simply don't like someone or object to some personal aspect or behaviour. Despite its aspirations, occult study is nevertheless an all-too human human endeavour and that brings about the whole spectrum of feelings, attitudes, and inclinations.

We have to be mindful and respect other sub-reddit communities and refrain from behaviour that might run counter to Reddit's terms of service. Our thread was reported for 'brigading' behaviour, which is when members of one community flood another one's posts with downvotes in an attempt to manipulate the thread. Now, while this is a very gray area and it is a subjective thing, it can still create very real problems for us here. Reddit admins can choose to penalize a community that is seen or perceived as engaging in this behaviour.

I'm going to ask everyone to just take a breather next time you see content or comments you don't like in another community regarding Quareia, Josephine, or whatever. React to them there and vote if you like, but please don't go linking, referencing, or mentioning that content here, as that's where we become open to accusations of 'rallying the troops' and 'sending out our mobs'.

Going forward, if you do make a post like this I'll just remove it. We really shouldn't be engaging in any kind of fanbase-like behaviour and I don't need to have Reddit's admins on my case.


r/Quareia Feb 26 '26

Announcement: New flairs to tag posts with the appropriate module

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Hello everyone!

So, you may have seen some past (pinned) and recent posts about the importance of keeping the conversations here at a level that won't risk influencing or interfering with the learning and development of others. This is a very real thing as far as the course is concerned and something we strive to balance and manage here in this subreddit due to its public, open nature.

Thanks to some feedback, we've decided to try giving users the ability to tag their posts or questions with flairs that specify the module they're asking about. This way, if another user wants to avoid "spoilers", content, or questions that they feel could influence how they'd approach that lesson when the time comes, they'll see the module tag and can choose to skip said content.

We'll see how it goes! We do think it will be helpful to many people here, so if you could take that extra moment to tag your posts going forward that'd be great.

All this being said, do still keep in mind that any questions beyond Module 3 - while not technically "verboten" here - are better asked in the Porch itself simply because the audience there is more qualified to answer them.


r/Quareia 12h ago

Apprentice - Module 1 M1L7 breaplate visualization clarification

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Hello.

I'm confused a bit in the breastplate description on these lines

"... pentagram as your body, the hexagram over your head, your ancestors/the earth/family name..."

  1. Should i see a pentagram geometrical shape around me?

  2. should I see the name written out in my center at the inner flame and my family name at the earth sign?

I mean is it step further with these extra visualizations? I remember in m1l6 after looking at the personal pentagram picture we only visualized the hexagram, earth symbol, sword, cup and inner flame. So we add these ones as extra or I just misinterpreted it? Thank you in advance for clarifying it


r/Quareia 1d ago

Question about Astrology Lesson

10 Upvotes

Hello all,

I briefly started Quareia a couple years ago but stopped because I wasn't ready to commit properly. Well I'm in a better era for it now, but in between starting last time and now I have gotten much more involved in astrology, took a class, have been reading more technical astrology books, etc. But I'm using a different house system than Quareia is using iirc, is that going to be a conflict when I get there? I know astrology is a minimal part of at least Module 1 at least, but astrology has many schools and idk how much of a difference that might make. I am concurrently going to be continuing my astrology studies as well as time goes on.


r/Quareia 2d ago

Josephine's version of Psalm 27

43 Upvotes

I wrote down Josephine's version of Psalm 27 that she shared in the latest Glitch Bottle interview and thought I'd share it here to save others the trouble if they want to work with it. (She starts talking about it at 2:09 and gives an explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m99OGPfeGEM):

The Goddess is my light and my salvation, of what should I fear? The Goddess is the strength of my life, of whom should I be afraid? When the wicked, even my enemies and my foes came upon to eat on my flesh, they stumbled and fell. Though a host should encamp around me I will not fear. Though war should rise against me, in this I will be confident.

One thing that I desire, that I seek after, is that I may dwell in the house of the Goddess all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the Goddess and to enquire within her temple. For in times of danger she will hide me in her pavilion, in the secret of her tabernacle she will hide me, she will set me upon a rock.

And now that my head be lifted above my enemies around me, I offer sacrifices of joy, I sing praise unto the Goddess. Hear oh Mother when I cry with my voice, have mercy upon me and answer me. And when thou sayest, “seek ye my face,” my heart says unto thee, “thy face Goddess I doth seek.” Hide not thy face far from me, turn not this servant away in anger, thou hast been my strength, leave me not nor forsake me, oh Mother.

Lead me in a plain path because of my enemies. Deliver me not unto the will of my enemies, for false witness is risen against me and as such it breathes out cruelty.

I had fainted unless I had believed to see the goodness of the Goddess in the land of the living. Wait on the Goddess, be of good courage and she will strengthen your heart. Wait I say on the Goddess.

Amen, Amen, Amen.


r/Quareia 3d ago

New Glitch Bottle podcast with Josephine Mcarthy !!

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r/Quareia 3d ago

Recently deceased friend

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On Monday this week, a dear friend of mine passed away. He had a very nasty motorcycle accident on Sunday and brain damage was beyond medical possibilities. I found out on Tuesday, when another friend of us sent me wake the burial details.

We drifted apart some time ago because I helped him buy his dream bike, and instead of keeping to observe the debt installments, on January he co founded a biker club, where he got a biker girl and spared no cent in living the best life with her these very last months while I compiled debt due interests and burned away my 12 year hard worked credit score for the trust I had in him.

I felt great pain with his demise, for he had been to me, besides a hideously unwise money investment, a mentor in our craft (screen printing), a shield in a horrible work environment, a great food taster (I used to cook for him each Friday for his mentorship), and overall a nice, kindly person in a highly troubled city.

Then it came the guilt for providing him the means for his end, yet the bike gave him great happiness for almost two years, other job opportunities outside factory related, this club he created, and so on. His family acknowledged, and I agree with them, that he went away plentiful, realized, satisfied with the life he had.

Any given number of what-ifs came after: what-if I forcefully took the bike from him months ago (that would certainly had destroyed him in life, just thinking about it always stopped my hand), what-if I just left him have it so we could enjoy more meals together, what-if I joined the bikers, what-if I checked on him a day before the crash on Tarot, what-if I found out when he was in the hospital what could my Reiki do, and so on. I had come to accept I'm no Dr. Strange and Marvel occurrences are without reach. Then tears came oriented at his youth, his potential, and so on, sometimes iterating each previous theme with another.

I had much of the rational, mental, thinking about process digested by Thursday, yet my body somehow refuses to accept the loss. Vicious, yet short panic attacks happened to me about 3 or 4 times a day up to Friday, for yesterday were only 2. Even while driving myself. As far as today, it goes 0, luckily it stays this way for my throat already hurts much. This besides occasional weeping which I can still take if it comes.

From Tuesday on, this is where magic starts anyway, I started a novena de velas to check everything it's ok with him on the other site. Well first two days, it looks like he was kicking around everything, flame tingling very aggressively, as if wind taking his photo banner with him at the burial and apparently messing around with my bike's lights was not enough. This last I know it was him, because I read to him the future of his family (they're gonna be ok, will not endure any form of scarcity), and then I took an extra card regarding my lights and it was a Knight of Cups, which suits him in many ways. Bike messing around is also his thing for he was a self taught mechanic. So I scolded him for that, haha, and lights and my bike overall were great from that night on, beyond their regular function.

On each daily candle I light for him, I update him on his family, for I saw and talked to his parents and some of his siblings on the burial and the three-day church service they held for him, we talked about the money issue and he stopped rave tingling the flame when I forgave the debt and acknowledged his last months' happiness so we both can transcend any form of residual guilt, and told him yesterday how fun was to ride with his bikers while going to his home after last church service, finally being able to feel what he enjoyed so much this year. Still not joining the club anyways, they may enlarge my own native recklessness.

Flame is peaceful last two days, growing tall and tingling playfully sometimes. I know religion is the poor man's choice for magicians, yet I'm under leveled and under skilled to perform stuff like the Death Vision, like... still practicing the M1L3 apprentice exercises. I gave a quick look to some material around just to understand the death processes, not with the intention to go beyond my current practices:

- Magic of the North Gate was greatly insightful with the Recently Dead chapter.

- The Magical Knowledge Trilogy vol 2 completed the reading and I had enough restrain to not try around these or the Quareia Initiate techniques, luckily.

- The LXXXI Deck, which I also have the restrain to not use in readings yet, gave me some visuals which I found soothing somehow.

That just for knowledge and understanding some things, not practice. For practice I will keep the novena I started, it end around Wednesday this week, and take the priest indication to dedicate every Sunday mass to him for the remainder of the year. While Catholic mass looks like a slow paced Zumba class for me, this is the spiritual practice my friend knew in life so I think any help he may need, he may receive this way. Also promised to visit his grave on special days. And let him know that he can ask anything he requires, to check on his family or whatever through my dreams, my Tarot or Mystagogus card readings, whispering (as I have a bit of clariaudience) or anything that doesn't involve electrical malfunctions, if possible.

I'm at the end of my current ability, not sure if I could do more, or if I should. I tended the living in my life too these days, joined my students celebrating their college admission tests success, my cousin struggling with some late homework, another group of friends celebrating a messy, unfair trial's positive end, and doing some home repairs. I guess I need to take some M1L7 salt baths soon too, maybe after the novena's end.


r/Quareia 3d ago

Weekly Check In 🕯️

7 Upvotes

Hello everyone!

So how's it going? What's been on your minds? Share your highs and lows, your sideways and in-betweens. It's all part of the journey. 


r/Quareia 5d ago

The Inner Touch exercise

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Hi guys, I just wanted to share my experience with the Inner Touch exercise. I feel like I failed it.

None of the shops were within walking distance from me, so I had to take Ubers to get there. My first Uber driver was very talkative and kept flirting with me. He even told me I was "hot like the weather," which completely took me out of my focused state before I even started the exercise. He was really annoying and just wouldn't stop talking.

My first stop was supposed to be a charity shop, but it turned out to be more like an overpriced second-hand store. I was already out of balance and could barely feel anything when I touched the objects there.

I also had this paranoia that people were watching me and would think I looked weird if I stood there holding objects with my eyes closed.

My next stop was a vintage shop, but it was closed. Luckily, I found another one nearby, and it was amazing, a huge shop. I could definitely feel a difference in the energy there. I touched a few objects, although I still couldn't really settle into stillness because people were talking loudly all around me.

I also saw a big wooden cat statue, and for some reason I decided to buy it. I love cats, and I thought maybe it was a sign that I should take it home.

Then I took another Uber to go to a clothing shop. By then I was carrying a heavy bag with bottles of water, salt, and soup, plus the big wooden cat. The driver seemed annoyed, stopped the car in the middle of nowhere, and told me the clothing shop was "somewhere around here" and that I should find it myself.

Not surprisingly, I couldn't find it. By that point I was already tired from walking in the heat with the heavy bag and the wooden cat, so I decided to skip that stop and go straight to the final charity shop.

I put the cat on the floor and started touching the clothes. At first I didn't feel much, but after I relaxed a little, I could sense the atmosphere of the shop.

So... I guess I failed this exercise? Do you think I should repeat it another time?

The problem is I'm not sure I'll do any better next time. I find it very difficult to relax and enter a state of stillness when there are people around me I always feel like I'm being watched.

Also, was it a huge mistake to buy the wooden cat? I know I went there to do the exercise, not to go shopping.

Sorry for the long message.


r/Quareia 6d ago

Walking around the building

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Hi guys! I have a question about the Walking Around the Boundaries exercise in the Module 1 lesson 5.

I recently moved to a place where it's not possible to walk all the way around my building. There are two buildings very close to each other, and the passage between them is blocked.

Would it be okay to walk around my building only as far as the wall and then turn back? Or would it be better to walk around both my building and the neighboring building together? Which option do you think would work better?


r/Quareia 9d ago

Is life destruction mandatory for everyone?

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​I’ve been reading some commentary by Frater Acher regarding the Quareia curriculum. He mentioned that he didn't fully pursue the actual Quareia course because he didn’t want to threaten his family life or compromise his worldly situation.

​Quareia explicitly talks about the "tearing apart of the apprentice", where fate, spirits, and the sheer force of the training can unspool a person’s life (relationships, jobs, health) to strip away what doesn’t serve their ultimate path.

​This got me thinking, are these destructive life changes a mandatory, "universal tax" for high-level magical training, or do they only happen if your life is fundamentally misaligned when you start?

​In theory, if a practitioner has already done immense internal work, achieved a high level of awakening, and balanced their life before starting a course like Quareia, will destruction still happen simply because the system forces it to? Or does the "tearing apart" only target the structures built on illusions and unhealed baggage?


r/Quareia 10d ago

Weekly Check In 🕯️

4 Upvotes

Hello everyone!

So how's it going? What's been on your minds? Share your highs and lows, your sideways and in-betweens. It's all part of the journey. 


r/Quareia 10d ago

Online energetic hygene and human interactions

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So, a wery stupid situation had happened to me, couple of month ago wich I feel like its time to share. as it was a great learning experience.

Basically I happened to trigger a person wich seemed good and normal but in fact was just the opposite, and it all happened on google meet. I only ever saw them during online meetings. That person out of spite tried to do some nasty illegal shit toward me even though I didn't do much of anything that could trigger such a responce in anyone normal, or any responce at all. I have resolved the issue but after that interaction I had a wery odd uncharacteristic for me mood.

The situation kept replaying itself in my head, I was uncharacteristically angry, and the anger did not feel mine, it was intrusive and intence, and also wery draining. I tried to not think about it in many different ways but nothing would really help. Holding onto such things for me in such a way is an abnormality. On the next day after the situation happened I woke up, not feeling that shit inside me anymore. But I still had to deal with the issue. So I took my phone and started trying to resolve the problem and instantly felt the same anger seeping into me through my hands wich were holding the phone. I put the thing down. I actually had a thaught fly around my mind about cleansing my phone, It wasn't logical so I kind of ignored it up untill that point, so I decided, fuck it. Basically I did the m1l7 thing but you just change the words about what you are going to cleance. And it was gone. No emotion inside me, none of that energy when I was trying to deal with the issue flowing into me. And I went all back to normall. It is also wery interesting that my phone, as a conduit for the interaction got parasited and not me?

Thinking back on it, this thing also kind of lured me in and if I was more carefull and mindfull I could've avoided the whole thing. This experience had many lessons for me wrapped in one including personall ones. But it also made me be more carefull and alert during online interactions as much as real life interactions. Cause it's much harder to feel who's nasty or not when you are online.


r/Quareia 11d ago

Meditation I'm just starting: why the book warns us to not meditate more than an hour a day?

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I'm asking because I'm used to meditating a lot and found this kind of odd.

Thanks.


r/Quareia 12d ago

A prayer for our time written by Josephine

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I’d like to share this prayer with you. It’s beautiful and quite powerful.


r/Quareia 14d ago

Question about hexagram ritual (M2L4)

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Hello everyone

I am approaching the first part of the ritual of Module 2 Lesson 4.

I read that a 30 minutes stillness is required in the final part. And it looks like that for the first 5 minutes we have to do the white\black breathing technique, the same as in M1L1.

Then you have to visualize the symbol we have traced for each direction.

I apologize if it may sound silly to ask, but what I am not really sure, is this thing:

Do we have to repeat the entirety of the 30 minutes stillness meditation for each direction (that means the ritual would take more than 2 hours of time) or that every part you have to visualize is expected to be performed within the 30 minutes stillness meditation (repeating the breathing part for each one)?

Thanks in advance!


r/Quareia 16d ago

Opening of the gates

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Hey guys, at which point exactly do you visualize the opening of the gates ? At first in M1L7 I thought that you have to do the breastplate and visualize them opening at the end, so that when you start asking you "see" them open. But then in M2L1 the full directional ritual it says you visualize the gates and open then, and then you do the breastplate ? So I'm interested in knowing what's your take on this. Personally I just visualize them opening when I finish the breastplate up till now.


r/Quareia 16d ago

Walking the directions

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Hi guys, I was doing the course a few years ago but had to stop after the Hexagtam ritual because I was evicted from my apartment and had some other problems. I took a break for years and recently started again.

The thing is, every time I do the Walking the directions ritual, something strange seems to happen, mostly sounds. Last week, when I was sitting and meditating near the central altar, I heard what sounded like someone knocking three times in the west direction. I have simple glass candle holders, so it sounded like someone tapped three times on the glass.

Another time during the ritual, my phone accidentally fell on the floor (which could have been an accident), but later I again heard a sound from the west direction (not knocking this time though).

Also, when I was visualizing the north gates, I felt physically unwell my head started spinning, my vision darkened, and I felt short of breath.

I’m wondering if this is normal and if others experience this too. I didn’t have this a few years ago, but I lived in different apartment and different state, I do cleanse the apartment regularly. Also if I didnt feel physically well when visualized the North gates, does it mean I’m not in a good physical shape now for this course? Also what I noticed, doing this ritual on the waning Moon is way more difficult for me.


r/Quareia 17d ago

Can Quareia Be Practiced in a Very Limited Living Space Without Any Tools?

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Hi, I'm interested in studying the Quareia course, but I'm struggling with the requirements because of my living situation.

Edit: my questions are more about ritual such as M1L4 and the rituals that come after that.

My income is low enough that I can't afford to rent an apartment or even a studio (For context, I live in the U.S. - West Coast). I rent a room in a large city and have very little private space. I live in an earthquake-prone area where the buildings are primarily made of wood and the place and the floor is carpet covered, so I can't safely use 1 candle, let alone 5 candles. Edit: It's a violation of city code to light candles outside and some landlords don't allow open fires like candles.

I also don't have the space to use tools and altars (I did it anyways) and ran into problems with the exercises that required movement. I've tried walking the circles as instructed, but my room is so cramped that I don't have enough floor space to properly walk in a full circle and take front and back steps during ritual, even without the altars. Edit: I might find a workaround this, the biggest issue is the lack of flame.

Another possible issue (although I don't really see it as one) is that I must keep my voice low because the walls are thin and the neighbors can hear everything. I don't have access to a public park either and have limited transportation and there are no woods nearby I can go to do ritual. My only private area is the room I rent.

To clarify, my limitations are due to my living situation, not a lack of willingness to follow the course rules or use tools or have an altar space.

Given those constraints, is it still possible to work through the Quareia Apprentice course? If so, how would one work through it without having all the tools or limited space? For example, instead of walking in a circle, would I spin in a circle or imagine walking in a circle? Edit: I'm very open to walking in a little weird circle.

Or is it better to postpone Quareia until my situation changes? I'd rather not postpone though, given what's happening in the U.S., I'm not sure this situation is going to get better because prices and rent keep going up, so transportation and living space is becoming a bigger issue over time.

The thing is, I already bought the book and I don't just want to read it, I want to do the work and make progress, without skipping sections or jumping around, but I'm not sure how to do that given the circumstances and I don't want to break the directions in the textbook, it's why I ask.

If you've made it this far, thank you for reading. Any advice is appreciated. <3
Like, Polly Pocket altars, toy candles, idk. I'm open to it.

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Note: Thank you for the encouragement you guys, but please don't suggest anything with real fire. As stated previously, it's a hazard due to how the building is made and the extreme lack of space. I would not endanger the other renters, or the building I'm renting the room from, to succeed in this course.

Also, in some buildings, candles have been banned. So even if I somehow fix my living situation in the future and rent my own apartment, this problem will still potentially be there.

If we really think about it, why would landlords allow renters to have candles in this day and age? Even my workplace bans candles and electric heaters, and the forests have fire restrictions. Sorry, I think I'm in a very particular area of the country (and world) and it's looking difficult to solve this issue.


r/Quareia 17d ago

Weekly Check In 🕯️

1 Upvotes

Hello everyone!

So how's it going? What's been on your minds? Share your highs and lows, your sideways and in-betweens. It's all part of the journey. 


r/Quareia 18d ago

Apprentice - Module 1 How can I rebalance the energies of a natural area after a violent crime?

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Hello, fellow workers of the Quarry! I am a longtime Quareia Apprentice, having been content to float comfortably in Module 1 for many years while I pursue a different spiritual path. But I have a somewhat heavy request for the practitioners of this subreddit, as instinctually I feel the system of Quareia would be best suited to my needs.

Content warning for sexual assault, infant/child death.

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A couple days ago, a woman got violently sexually assaulted on a much-beloved woodland path just down the street from me. It is a path I've walk alone, as a woman, almost daily for several years. Since having initially scoped out the area a couple days ago upon seeing police tape—when I did physically go onto the path—I've avoided returning, as divination warns me strongly against doing so. I don't know if this is because the culprit is still at large (police have detained a suspect), or because of nasty, lingering energies. I suspect the latter.

There is an additional heaviness to this assault in that it appears to have taken place directly near what seems to me a sacred tree. I call it the Grieving Tree, as it's a tree that's long since been adorned with toys and ornaments and notes from those whose infants/young children have died.

My usual methods of cleansing and blessing do not entirely seem to apply here. It feels like the woodland itself is unbalanced and angry, and as a result of this crime the city might implement a surveillance apparatus that could greatly harm the natural environment of the path.

I can see a world in which helping is beyond my capabilities, but is there anything I can do to even somewhat rebalance this wood that I love so dearly? To cleanse it, or heal it, or something else that presently escapes me? Or should I just stay well away, until the energies resettle?

I would greatly appreciate the wisdom and guidance of this community. Thank you all!

Edit: Typo


r/Quareia 21d ago

Protection Inconsistency in ritual for Cleansing of a Space?

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Hoping for some clarity on a couple of inconsistencies in the ritual for cleansing a space. The text mentions pointing to the middle of the triangle while reciting the recitation of clearing:

The triangle used is traced vertically in the air as it is working on a larger area. If you were working on a specific object, you would do it horizontally over the object. Stand in the centre of each room, and with the two first fingers of the right hand trace a triangle vertically in the air and then point through the centre of the triangle while reciting the recitation of clearing: “In the Names which are above every other Name, and in the power of the Almighty…” (point to the top of the triangle) “…and of the Mother…” (to the bottom right hand corner of the triangle) “…and of the Holy Spirits…” (bottom left hand of the triangle) Complete the triangle and then point in the middle of the triangle: “I exorcise all influences and seeds of evil from this room.”

But before the recitation of clearing itself, it says to sprinkle the consecrated mixture around the room as you recite. I think I must be misunderstanding what the recitation of clearing is- I understood it to be the text below, but is it really just the singular line "I exorcise all influences and seeds of evil from this room?"

Now begin to sprinkle the mix around the room as you recite. Sprinkle above, below and around the directions. * *“I exorcise all demons, parasites, thought-forms, golems, ghosts, (etc)

Thanks for any interpretation advice/clarification


r/Quareia 22d ago

scary meditation experience

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I have only started meditation fairly recently(1 week or so), but I have been doing them daily to keep a good routine going. Usually they're pretty normal and Im able to stay there for at least 10 minutes. However, last night's meditation was nothing like the previous times and it was actually somewhat frightening.

I began the first practice as usual and put my finger on my forehead. However, as I put my arm down to start the breathing visualization part, my mind began to play with itself and started generating random imagery. People i do not recognize talking, getting interviewed, walking around, etc. I thought it was just a normal distraction so i focused back on my forehead, but that's when it got weird. Instead of clearing my thoughts, the imagery became distorted, eyes, pale creepy faces and almost demonic figures were being uncontrollably generated inside my head, and I couldn't do anything about it.

Eventually I started thinking about happy memories and thoughts, which eased down this nightmareish headspace and I was able to return to a meditative state for another couple minutes.

Just wondering if this is normal? I was pretty startled by it afterwards because this never happened to me before. I didn't even know something like this could happen during a meditation.


r/Quareia 24d ago

Weekly Check In 🕯️

4 Upvotes

Hello everyone!

So how's it going? What's been on your minds? Share your highs and lows, your sideways and in-betweens. It's all part of the journey. 


r/Quareia 26d ago

Urge to move eyes or facial muscles and voluntarily when doing vision exercises like the vision of the void

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Hello I'm curious has anyone experienced, and if so found ways to overcome, a sort of almost a voluntary urge to move the head or muscles of the eye while you are in a vision exercise and walking around or turning around in vision?

For this is something that's repeatedly affected me, and it's hard for me to overcome. It is like I feel like I'm 'kind of there' but then, take for example in The Vision of The Void when I want to return back to my body and I'm imagining myself turn around them I find my eyes subtly start to turn behind my closed eyelids, and an almost involuntary urge to move muscles in my head subtly this way or that, depending on which way I'm turning in vision.

The problem is that it kind of takes me out of it, and it needs a lot of willpower for me to kind of overcome, and I have a feeling it shouldn't be like that. Sometimes the movement is very slight, like for example before composing this message I was doing a little bit of meditating and then did a little vision walkabout exercise while sitting in my car (I try to get small moments of meditation in as much as possible at different times in the day to just get some volume in there, as well as more formal sessions early in the morning or late at night)

So I imagine myself getting out and then trying to scout around, walking to the right walking to the left going across the street and walking up the hill and I caught my eyes making a slight stochastic movement to the right and then to the left as I was respectively turning that way and then the other way in vision.

Does anyone else experience this and if so is it something that's like a constant for you or something that you were eventually able to overcome or get over or is it even something that should be overcome? Like perhaps I'm overthinking things for example and maybe this is perfectly natural and I just don't realize that in any case thanks and happy Friday to everyone may you all be blessed.