r/PowerScaling 13h ago

Discussion Light Speed Scaling Makes No Actual Sense and Characters shouldn't scale to that level

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Pretty much just what it reads in the title. If we are going to be doing math and taking it to that level, it never made any sense to me that characters would move at FTL and not just eviscerate everything around them. It would be like setting off a massive bomb every time they throw a punch or just move at all. I understand that in some cases, things like the Speed Force serve as a magic "fuck physics" blanket, so maybe Ki in DBZ serves a similar function, chakra in Naruto, etc.

But in general, the idea of characters fighting at the speed of light is pretty stupid, and I don't think characters should be scaled that high. There's also "Post FTL speed" scaling, which is like saying your freeze-power character freezes things past absolute zero. Absolute Zero is the cold floor; it quite literally does not get any colder than that. Light speed is the speed ceiling; it's not physically an understandable thing to move any faster. Even light itself, like Kizaru, cannot move faster. But characters with physical mass would suffer from relativistic mass, meaning that they would need to acquire infinite energy to move themselves that fast, which isn't possible, and if it was, it should scale them to like infinite AP if you're taking it literally. And infinite durability just to withstand the speed of their own movement. I think it makes more sense to internally scale, and simply say that characters like Kizaru are extremely fast or faster than x character.

I get that it's fiction, but that's kind of my point: to invoke "Light Speed" specifically and just ignore any ramifications of it seems like scaling way too literally and makes the story seem dumber as a result. Like "Nah, everyone who can slightly react is at least relative to LIGHT SPEED". This thought stems from a debate about JoJo's stands moving at FTL, based on the Hanged Man fight, which seems stupid for a lot of reasons; the above physics violations are included.


r/PowerScaling 16h ago

Discussion Cosmic Garou from OPM Vs Ultra Instinct Goku from DBS (EQUAL STATS) is more instersing that i expected

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of course the martials arts of both series are absurly advance

still there absurly more statements about the martial arts in dragon ball than one punch man, while in one punch man the skill is more showed straight up

Classic Statements vs Feats stuff

like by statements dragon ball master like Roshi should be in the tier of skill like Bang and Bomb for both being pinacle of martial arts and basically a godly tier of that

With Monster Garou Surpassing his Master when he combine all his martial arts into the Monster Calamity God Slayer Fist and going even further beyond with the Perfected Fist and then his Fa Jins, then the Cosmic Fear Mode with the Erradicate All Life Fist is trasendtal to all those prior, with MUCH better Deflect with the Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist that can deflect attacks that could shater bones by a grace according to Bang´s level and go twice the power, also there statements that basically have no actuall limit of how much is the gap and see that garou still can use it against a way superior saitama and Damage with Internal Organs doing dura neg with the Fa Jin

while Goku in Dragon Ball OG for like he surpass master roshi still is kinda controversial when but in Z he is straigth up the Best martial artist, the thing is he get a lot of training og godl being of Hundrens, Thounsans, Millons and more much years old and more, still most of the skills are to power amp him and not much are for properly skill itself, like yeah he is very skillfull with the InstaTrasmision and more but the more RELEVANT is the ULTRA INSTINCT by obvios reasons because it let him fight JIREN himself that his skill is considered superior to Vegito and Gogeta (both considered perfect fighters) by being the goal post of Vegeta that should know them and surpassing time itself some how with a WAY better prediction and more agility

So like Goku in Skill should be superior to garou´s at the start

there some problems

1: COSMIC RADIATION, idk if goku show any resistance to that

2: Garou just blowing the planet because he can breath in space while goku can´t

ok let´s know ignore this 2 problems

the other is 3: Fa Jin should be able to One Shot Goku as seem when he fight Hit

Still with Ultra Instinct will be able to dodge those attacks and all that, still if IT HITS even with internal organs movement it would still hit all the body as the shockwaves reaches the other side of the planet so it have way to much range

4: STAMINA, goku have show to have a limit of 1 day of fighting a equal opponent with using wasting energy, while ULTRA INSTINCT is show to be extremly energy waste for goku as seem against Jiren and Granolah as how goku fall down eventually in minutes at best, also we know that goku´s power go down when he have to tired, he could push further but eventually will fall as Garou have absurly good stamina, but also the god´s energy is straight up infinite reserves like Homeless Emperor

5: THE COPY, garou will be able to start copy all goku´s techniques including Ultra Instinct, still at his level he will have to adapt to goku´s because Garou´s ultra Instict still will not be as skillfull as goku in way to dodge and made hits, still he is absurly skillfull so he can keep fighting goku and he can copy as many times he need while goku need to END THIS QUIT

this is not considering any power growth of stats, only skill and haxs

of course goku can counter garou´s portals with TP or if he is get BFR to another dimension he can just break out so this is not a easy fight for neither because garou need preparation to use a fa jin

while goku can´t by pass garou´s defence of water stream rock smasing fist and get in danger of getting counter still be able to avoid it

this fight Goku will have a innitial advantange of experience and combat but garou´s adaptation and stamina

Goku will also adapt to garou´s skill so this a back and four, the problem is the Radiation, the copy and the Stamina

still is a Extreme Diff for Garou

Goku Could win this if he learned the Spirit Fission of yardrat like vegeta, but he don´t have that, because that depower garou from god´s influence

but with out that he the only way to do that would be to shatter his cosmic shell but he don´t have any answer to have that with out absurly overpower him

learning the Time Fist could be posible for goku but garou should teach him that, but goku would notice garou try to do that, still idk how that would work with having diferent time travel systems


r/PowerScaling 23h ago

Crossverse Trafalgar Law(One Piece) vs Gremmy(Bleach)

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r/PowerScaling 19h ago

Discussion "TSO cannot bypass infinity"

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We know TSO can erase an entire space-time or time-space continuum like Kaguya's dimensions which are space-times as obito uses the kanji Jikukan

Space-time or Time-space being a 4D construct according to modern physics while Gojo's infinity only operates in 3D space

Therefore the ETSO can automatically bypass infinity since they can erase a 4D continuum unlike Gojo's infinity which only functions on a 3D scale


r/PowerScaling 19h ago

Discussion Hey heads up if you actually like participating in the sub at all the mods just nuked your ability to participate in it 😐 I get that yall needed a solution to bleach spam but wow

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This sub and its refusal to expand its mod team needs to be studied, instead of putting insane restrictions on everything why not just expand your team and actually mod your shit?


r/PowerScaling 10h ago

Crossverse vegeta and nappa (dragon ball sayan saga) vs naruto and sasuke(naruto\boruto)

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the sayan duo vs the protectors of konoha, who wins?


r/PowerScaling 14h ago

Discussion Goku is more powerful than you think

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Ok this all depends if you think current goku is stronger than the gogeta and broly in the super broly movie by all accounts he should be morro is way stronger than that broly and seeing as to how goku delt with morro more easily than gogeta delt with broly and it'd make sense because goku should be way stronger than both the goku and vegeta in that movie combined so the multiplier from fusion shouldn't matter here but my point is that broly and gogeta broke reality and fixed it with just punches now I don't know the power scaling tiers well enough to determine where that would put goku but I know he should be well above high multiversal and maybe even complex multiversal


r/PowerScaling 15h ago

Discussion Your favourite character isn’t Uni unless they can do this

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But really, why do we like setting arbitrary standards for people being uni or not when we already used to have those firmly? If someone has Uni DC and durability, and you can damage them, you are Uni, in absence of contradicting feats, that’s where you scale. If someone is stated to have Uni DC, and the series does not imply their durability is weaker than that, if you can damage them, in absence of contradictions, you are Uni.

If something is stated, in absence of contradictions, it is true. If you think it’s hyperbole; prove it.

Isn’t that much easier?


r/PowerScaling 7h ago

Question tokitoki (db heroes) or yhwach from bleach

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r/PowerScaling 13h ago

Scaling Low Complex Multiversal Naruto

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The power of 6 Paths Naruto, Sasuke and Jigen is stated to be Superdimenional. Superdimension/Hyperdimension is a concept that describes 5D spaces (according to wikipedia). So 6 paths Naruto, Sasuke, Jigen and with chain scaling everyone at their level of power or above them scales to 5D which means Low Complex Multiversal.

Btw some people are right that there are no hyperboles unless another feat or statement proves another statement wrong. Nothing can prove this statement being a hyperbole so saying it's a hyperbole just shows people are downplaying Naruto because they just don't want him to scale high to where he really scales.

Conclusion: Naruto is Low Complex Multiversal.


r/PowerScaling 9h ago

Crossverse Grand Regent Thragg (Invincible) vs. Namek Saga 5 year old Gohan (Dragon Ball Z)

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Fight takes place on Namek, Gohan is enraged due to seeing Thragg punch a Namekian's head smooth off


r/PowerScaling 14h ago

Question A "Game"

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Lets see if DBZ fans can guess which one of these are hyperboles

Round 1: Is Ryuji (Toradora) actually capable of doing what he can? Hmm, is he 5D? Lowball 4D?

Round 2: Is Innocent Zero (Mashle) omnipotent?

Round 3: Is Aijou (100 Kanojo) a meta narrative characther who is at least 1A? Or is just a gag feat?

Round 4: In… this anime? (Sorry for my little brothers), is the actual CONCEPT of order about to implode?

Final Round: Is Frieza universe even tho he didn't prove a single feat or cosistency he can do that?

Let's see how many of these you get correct

Good Luck!


r/PowerScaling 14h ago

Discussion How much faster is Saitama than this official timeframe?

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Casual and then extremely serious Saitama


r/PowerScaling 27m ago

Question Found this TikTok scaling of Yhwach, accurate or nah?

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r/PowerScaling 13h ago

Discussion I saw this tierlist by someone on facebook. How accurate is this?

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r/PowerScaling 16h ago

Discussion Is this Accurate? According to Vs/wiki. G5 Luffy vs SOSP Naruto is quite Close.

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Based on vs/wiki numbers you can argue either way. Stats are so closely tuned that its really dependent on who makes the first mistake


r/PowerScaling 13h ago

Discussion Unpopular opinion: Most Jujutsu Kaisen characters are completely screwed against Upper Moon 5 and Upper Moon 6.

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This is something people rarely bring up, but I think the Demon Slayer verse is heavily underrated in cross-verse discussions.

I'm talking about characters outside the top 10 in Jujutsu Kaisen, of course.

First of all, most of them simply have no reliable way to kill Gyokko or Gyutaro.

Demons can only be killed by sunlight or Nichirin blades. Giving JJK characters Nichirin swords would be outside assistance and would completely change the matchup.

If we're judging characters with their standard equipment, then the vast majority have no permanent way to put an Upper Moon down.

Another point that is almost never mentioned is poison. Gyutaro's poison is incredibly lethal, and almost nobody in Jujutsu Kaisen has shown any special resistance to toxins like that.

Many characters don't even have Reverse Cursed Technique, meaning a single successful hit could easily become fatal.

Then there's the speed gap. The Upper Moons have extremely impressive speed feats, and a large portion of the JJK cast would likely be blitzed before they could even react.

For many characters, the fight would end before they had a chance to use their abilities.

Finally, there's Domain Expansion. People often assume Domains automatically solve every matchup, but it's not that simple.

Domain sure-hit effects generally interact with targets through cursed energy. Demons from Demon Slayer don't possess cursed energy.

The main exception is Sukuna's Domain, whose unique properties allow it to affect even objects without cursed energy.

Outside of rare exceptions like that, assuming every Domain would automatically work against demons is, at the very least, debatable.

To summarize:

• Most JJK characters have no permanent method of killing an Upper Moon because they lack Nichirin blades.

• Gyutaro's poison is a massive threat, and almost nobody has demonstrated resistance to it.

• Many characters don't even have Reverse Cursed Technique to heal from fatal wounds or poisoning.

• The Upper Moons possess speed feats high enough to blitz a large portion of the cast.

• Domain Expansions are not an automatic win condition against opponents who don't even possess cursed energy.

For those reasons, I believe that most Jujutsu Kaisen characters outside the top 10 would struggle far more against Upper Moon 5 and Upper Moon 6 than most people are willing to admit.


r/PowerScaling 19h ago

Crossverse Who Almighty diffs?

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Yhwach (Bleach) vs Joker (Persona 5)


r/PowerScaling 6h ago

Question I have a question for Bleach scalers (I believe in uni bleach by the way) If Pre SK yhwach is above planetary why didnt he just blow up earth to do Plan A of collapsing the three worlds?

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Yhwach's plan was at first to collapse the three worlds when that failed THEN he switched to becoming SK himself to collapse it with force I am wondering if Pre SK Yhwach was planetary and above why didnt he like....Instant Blow up earth? that would cause an influx of 8 billion souls and collapse all 3 worlds in quick succession as it would cause a catastrophic imbalance of souls that the soul society could not have stopped at all? this scan relates to quincy obliteration but its my point about the soul society has to send 28,000 souls to reincarnate in the human world to balance the scales.


r/PowerScaling 5h ago

Discussion Dragonball depicts universes as galaxies - A defense for Gurren Lagann

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Hopefully no more "galaxies aren't universes" argument against Gurren Lagann


r/PowerScaling 14h ago

Discussion Responding to naruto vs Luffy

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First Vsbw profile is shit so not much to argue there

But here's my opinion on this post on Vsbw and their opinions on Naruto vs Luffy

https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/TTWBF49ZtG

Overall l think this debate can end because Luffy has zero chances of winning and people wanna argue Luffy takes speed when l literally made an entire post asking people to provide actual evidence of Luffy being faster yet people couldn't

Nothing against Luffy in fact l believe you can highball him to planetary since you can argue that through the WB statement but overall Naruto still scales higher and has better speed arguments

Maybe if it's sage mode Naruto vs G5 Luffy then we can actually discuss it since it's pretty close but Six Paths war arc and anything above is overkill


r/PowerScaling 2h ago

Anime No, hold on. This is actually a great point i never even considered

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Context, she was talking about if goku was in iron lung

But back to the point... yah? Right? Even if it wasn't a moon just enough energy to equate it... goku can produce enough energy to destroy a universe he could produce enough energy to condense into a star.

I legit never thought of this til now


r/PowerScaling 15h ago

Crossverse Sailor Moon Beats Every Hax Character With a Worse Cosmology Than Her

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r/PowerScaling 17h ago

Crossverse Let's do it this way .. who wins, roshi ( dbz) and jiraiya ( Naruto ) vs my profile picture( one piece) 😊 and tsunade ( Naruto) ?

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team 2 can summon robin or shakky if they want .


r/PowerScaling 12h ago

Crossverse (no cheating) based on your phone battery percentage, how far would your character run the gauntlet?

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Okay to fulfill rule 1, here are the mentioned characters in the box:

Tsuyu from my hero academia

Rimuru from Tensura

Naruto from Naruto Shippuden

Tanjiro from demons slayer

Goku from dragon ball

Yhwach from bleach

Gojo from jujutsu kaisen

Ultimate madoka from madoka magica

Subaru from RE:Zero

The gauntlet characters are:

Meruem from hunterxhunter

Saitama from one punch man

Sung jin-woo from solo leveling

Anos from the misfit of the demon king academy

And finally, Featherine from higurashi and Umineko.

Took me some time to make this 😩