There is a worrying contingent of redditors that don't know what a penis looks like. The picture literally only shows thigh, which is exactly what the person in question was intending, no more, no less, given their choice to wear a short skirt and fishnets.
The photo in questions has been shared for 3 years to no fuss, including by a celebrity transwoman. It's a plain angle, straight-on, from the audience shot, that is even taken from above the person, not below. The only reason it is making news is because people want to discredit Rowling, and 'no bad methods, only bad targets.'
That's not how upskirting laws work. Helpfully someone else has pointed you in the direction of a Bluesky post that goes into more detail on the matter.
Why are you lying? It wasn't an upskirting picture. Anyone who looks up the picture, or the video it came from, can see this.
Fred sat on a stage, in a miniskirt and fishnets, intentionally attempting to flash the crowd.
Whilst Fred was on stage, he was drunk, rambling about having sex with his penis, and describing his penis.
Fred also intentionally replies with pictures of himself being fellated to people on X any time he starts losing an argument. This is arguably a crime in the UK, but nothing has ever been done about it, as his "community" can do no wrong.
Fred is an exhibitionist. Fred is a freak who gets off on this type of behaviour.
So please tell me you don't agree with Fred's behaviour? If you do, you're hurting your own cause.
It wasn't an anti trans shelter it was a female rape survivor centre... they think it's anti trans because they won't let men in the female rape survivor centre.
They don't let trans women, who are women, into the womens shelter. This is not letting men into the womens shelter. Calling trans women men is wrong and makes you a frankly quite disgusting person.
taking HRT and having gender-affirming surgery changes your biological sex. that’s the entire point of taking/doing it, and transitioning in general. so no, many, i would even say the majority of trans women are not “biologically men.” and even if they’re pre-transition seeking help at a womens’ shelter—okay, should they turn away intersex women because they aren’t “biological women”? should they turn away women with PCOS who have facial hair and other “masculine” features? what about masc lesbians, do they need to be interrogated on their identities before they’re allowed in? do there need to be security guards at the entrances doing genital and chromosomal and hormone level inspections, would that make women who’ve been assaulted feel better? and on the flip side should a womens’ shelter accept me, a trans man who is very obviously, visibly male, who takes testosterone, just because people who don’t know anything about transitioning assume i’m still “biologically female,” would those women really feel safe around me? just think about it a little more.
it literally, scientifically, does. but you’re not the first person to choose willful ignorance and cruelty over empathy and kindness, not every girl is a girls’ girl
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partly personal experience and using my brain to puzzle out why else we would spend so much money and time fighting doctors otherwise: since i’ve been on testosterone most of my secondary sex characteristics have changed (body hair growth, fat distribution, the texture of my skin and hair, etc.), which are one part of biological sex. another part is your hormone levels, and when you take HRT those change significantly, that’s the whole point of HRT. we experience increased muscle growth, trans women experience decreased muscle growth and decreased bone density similar to cis womens’. men on average have higher rates of heart disease and blood disorders worldwide because men actually have slightly more blood than women do—when you start testosterone HRT this is something you have to look out for because your now more male body produces more blood. last part is genitalia, and trans womens’ neovaginas have a complex microbiome and PH the exact same way cis women do. i used to be a cis woman, i was married to a trans woman, it’s really not as different as people imagine. trans women on HRT even experience periods! without bleeding of course, but periods aren’t just about shedding uterine lining, they’re also about the sharp, regularly-scheduled hormone level fluctuations and all the mental and emotional symptoms associated with it. some even experience cramps which i find so interesting, human biology is awesome
one interesting link i can share is this one study showing that there are even changes in the methylation of your DNA when you take HRT—it switches to a pattern corresponding to the sex you’re transitioning to. there’s lot of information out there like this, people just have to be curious and open-minded to find it! and a lot of people assume that biological sex ends and begins at chromosomes but we didn’t know those existed for the majority of human history and still felt comfortable labeling others and ourselves as men/women.
I work in women's healthcare and I can tell you with certainty that trans women do not have periods. A period is bleeding from the uterus through the vagina. It's not moodiness or cramps. And there's a published study on neo vaginas microbiome and it's the same as penis skin or colon, It's not like a natal vagina pH. We don't need to make stuff up now.
That's not an accurate description of how gender works.
Trans people don't "believe they are *insert sex*" they know their biological sex differs from their gender, they aren't operating under a delusion, else they wouldn't seek to use HRT to transition.
Trans people post-transition are often subject to the same kind of abuse as cis people of the same gender.
To be clear, because your nonsense is especially frustrating, if trans people worked like anorexic people, then HRT would be pointless.
Why would a person make active efforts to make their body resemble their desired gender, if they believed it to already be the case?
Trans people do not experience delusions, they experience a persistent discomfort in a body that doesn't fit, the entire source of distress around a person pre-transition is that disconnect, the fact they are fully aware is why the transition happens in the first place.
Yes... men and woman are segregated... there are laws stating that men can't work in certain jobs and women in others this is normal... why you acting all outraged like your not from this planet...
I really don't mean to sound intentionally antagonistic, but I've become quite confused about this sort of thing over the last 24 hours. Previously, I just assumed that trans people transition to the gender they feel they are because the one they were born as isn't correct. However, in a discussion about the expansion of the term genocide to include trans genocide as a real thing, I was told that it's not as simple as that. If it's the case that trans people are not some third or more category but instead are simply men and women who have just transitioned from one to the other then the use of single sex spaces would make a bit more sense.
I'm just confused as to how my new understanding of what being trans means fits in with the idea that it's not segregation? Surely the creation of a third etc 'category' here is a form of self segregation? If you were born as a man and then transitioned to a woman later in life then it makes sense why you'd want the services of a shelter for women, but if it's not as simple as belonging to one category or another then surely the people saying things like they should go to a different shelter specifically for them (or one not segregated to just women) are correct, at least in part?
Previously, I just assumed that trans people transition to the gender they feel they are because the one they were born as isn't correct.
That is correct.
However, in a discussion about the expansion of the term genocide to include trans genocide as a real thing
Why would "trans genocide" not be a real thing? It's just a descriptor for the type of persons are being genocided.
If it's the case that trans people are not some third or more category but instead are simply men and women who have just transitioned from one to the other then the use of single sex spaces would make a bit more sense.
That's the preferred outcome, that trans people are not othered and are just accepted. The same issue happened with homosexuals and black people in the last few centuries. They were othered and forced to hide it use alternate spaces just to exist.
Surely the creation of a third etc 'category' here is a form of self segregation?
No? The idea is for trans people to be just considered their identified gender, not as trans. But we have to use identifiers to differentiate between cis and trans to have certain types of conversations. Additional categories wouldn't matter if they were just accepted.
but if it's not as simple as belonging to one category or another then surely the people saying things like they should go to a different shelter specifically for them (or one not segregated to just women) are correct, at least in part?
Again, trans people want to be included in those broad categories, rather than be identifies by sub-categories. They don't want to be othered where the othering wouldn't matter.
This is what I thought initially but someone who seemed to know what they were talking about infinitely more than I do told me otherwise so I'm more confused than ever now!
The genocide thing was because the source being discussed mentioned the expansion of the definition to include things like gender and political groups rather than just ethnic groups or race. I assumed that expansion wouldn't necessarily include trans people in general because they still belong to the groups men and women, not a separate group. I'm just very confused honestly because my previous assumptions about what it all meant and was about have been shattered!
It is actually more inclusive to have a female-only service provider because it means that women who otherwise wouldn't use a mixed-sex service can be accommodated.
so you are fine with cis men in women's restrooms? Sex is different than Race. Unless you abolish all sex based differences in institutions you must continue to have safe spaces for cis women.
The design of restrooms is flawed in the first place, the environment inherently renders people vulnerable regardless of sex.
Single occupancy gender neutral rooms would be superior, and then you wouldn't need to have segregated "safe spaces" (that aren't actually all that safe)
Pretty sure those having an issue and making it political are those that have a problem with trans people in their spaces, not trans people themselves. If trans people were left alone to use the space they found comfortable then there wouldn't be an issue.
There is absolutely no provable harm with trans people using toilets that reflect their gender.
Also, that minority is currently 1%, which doesn't even include allies. You're off by 3 magnitudes.
I'm sure there's never been another historical case of the design of restrooms being controversial, with regards to splitting restrooms into separate facilities based on some perceived characteristic.
*cough*
"Separate but equal."
Believe it or not this is an existing and ongoing discussion that probably predates you.
hi. trans guy here. no one wants segregation apart from people who have been bullied and harassed by transphobes so much theyre scared to be around them in case they get harassed. no one is advocating for segregation. I’d just like to piss in the men’s stall. fact, I’d just like to be able to piss when I’m outside my home.
Dolphins can't transition into human females outside of using some kind of descriptive language to make the correlation.
It does matter. We're talking about a center that exists for females who have had their physical bodies violated in a way they didn't consent or agree to.
Your argument is that in this center for this specific purpose they still don't have the right to say no if it hurts someone elses feelings because it doesn't include them... like...
this is really an interesting viewpoint, because either you think that trans women are men or something to that effect and then you think that men cant be sexually assaulted or you think that they were "asking for it" just because they were trans and thus it wasnt sexual assault
either is obviously entirely wrong, but its really interesting how deep someone may go
Same amnesty that was found to be toxic, racist and use public humiliation as a tool only being discovered after 2 of its employees killed themselves? If it is that amnesty they probably shouldn't be throwing stones at a rape survivor charity just because they despise who funds it...
yep. while I believe that trans people have a right to exist (JK Rowling also agrees with that statement) there are times and places where the distinctions between trans and cis women are important and necessary. Trans women are valid but they are not the same as cis women and there should be some spaces reserved for cis women.
important to mention that most rape centers accept trans women. The "if you don't like it go make your own service" people are just upset that someone did just that, and now one center exists to cater to cis women only because many victims have ptsd associated with male bodies (for some mysterious reason scientists have yet to figure out)
cis women have rights and deserve to feel safe too.
I agree 100%. Trans women are valid but they aren't cis women. There are enough distinctions to warrant protections for cis women and a separate set of protections for trans women.
Yes but my point is that the principle of having separate female and male provision is generally not because one group is considered lesser than the other. At least in contemporary western society, and in most circumstances.
IMO most shelters are under provisioning for the problem anyway, a person ought to have a fully private space they don't share with anyone else unless their needs would be better met with a shared one.
It's a result of the lack of resources to properly address the problem, owing to a society that's just not built around the wide spread solving of social problems.
You wouldn't need to provision different spaces for different sexes if your provisioning was adequate in the first place.
Also why I advocate forcing businesses to move away from two gendered shared restrooms to individual enclosed restrooms, both because it outright eliminates the whole trans bathroom debate, and because when I'm shitting in public the last thing I want to hear is the guy next to me.
I also can't stand the occasional swan-necking from other men at my junk when using urinals, public toilets are hell on earth.
She also took a naked selfie in the shelter bathroom with her dick erect. Shelter itself did nothing about it. This is all just from a quick Google. You really can't imagine why women in vulnerable situations may not want to be around penis?
The person you're replying to will see exactly nothing wrong with that behaviour.
If they do they'll pretend a reasonable analogy can be drawn between what you just shared and the black man and white man not actually needing segregated toilet facilities...
That's just plain old harassment, preventing trans people from entering the shelter doesn't prevent harassment inherently.
A trans person is still perfectly capable of being a bad person, independently from being trans, and cis people are equally capable of engaging in inappropriate conduct.
Pre-op trans women are in a unique position where they can use a penis to harass women who are very likely in the shelter because of similar abuse.
Thank you for agreeing it as harassment, I wish the shelters that allowed this to happen felt the same. Neither of these women were disciplined by shelter staff.
If you want to get really down into the details about it, a cis woman could pull a similar stunt using a strap-on, either way it's disgusting behaviour.
Being trans doesn't make a person morally righteous inherently, but it also shouldn't be something a shelter discriminates over, as trans people experience both the same kind of violence as their cis counterparts, and wholly unique flavours aimed at the fact they're trans.
Honestly, a cis woman can't. I say this as a survivor of sexual abuse who couldn't even look at a penis for awhile. Thankfully I did not need a shelter. A strap on is different. Perhaps others would disagree.
I will also add that a cis woman pulling a stunt like that would most likely be evicted or reprimanded. Neither of which happened in my examples. I can pull more if need be. A big reason that there is a push for cis only shelters is because such harassment happens and nothing is done about it.
There are plenty of shelters who do welcome trans women, in fact that's most of them. Cis only shelters can help avoid retraumising victims without overhead regulation.
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u/ConsistentScholar371 4h ago
JK followed up her attack on Amnesty by sharing some upskirt pictures of other people. She’s truly lost it.