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Sipping Tea No one Believes You Argentina! Samuel L. Jackson branded "ignorant" and accused of lying by a former Argentine legislator after the Hollywood icon's viral Instagram post slammed Argentina as 'racist'

https://www.irishstar.com/culture/entertainment/samuel-l-jackson-argentina-response-37456286
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u/Cyrano4747 1d ago

To all the people highlighting the Nazis who went to Argentina:

Their issues with racism don't even come close to beginning there. The reason the Nazis picked Argentina was because it was notoriously white supremicist even by the standards of the 30s-40s. They had decades of domestic policy that were explicitly aimed at getting rid of their black population and importing white immigrants from Europe. Look up the policies if Domingo Faustino Sarmiento if you want to see it in action, he wrote literal books about the fight against "barbarism" and the need to "civilize" Argentina. Read: push out the indigenous and african descended people, import as many Europeans as possible.

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u/UnluckyAmbition7767 1d ago

The hilarious part is the entire western world thought Argentina would become the capital of a South American empire because they were able to profit from colonialism and slavery and then genocided all their non-white people. And today they are what they are lol. How can a nation of parasites thrive after they've killed everyone they used to feed off of?

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u/Beelzy_ 1d ago

By going and spreading their vitriol in other countries, it seems

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u/Apprehensive-Book723 1d ago

Billions of dollars in foreign aid from the US government.

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u/almostbad 1d ago

How can a nation of parasites thrive after they've killed everyone they used to feed off of?

Thats a whole bar right there.

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u/Ok_Story_7924 22h ago

I can hear it in Zack de la Rocha's voice!

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u/Intelligent-Shop473 5h ago

Yeah the entire western world thought that alright. Everybody /s. They had very few slaves. Maybe you are thinking of Brazil.

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u/TheItchyWalrus 1d ago

They also historically drafted people of indigenous and African descent into their military and put them on the front lines in overwhelming numbers as a systematic way of removing them from their country during the War of Independence and the Paraguayan War. They decimated those populations through attrition in the 19th and early 20th century.

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u/RobertRoyal82 7h ago

🎯

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u/Matias9991 15h ago

The same shit happened in Brazil and Cuba. They also tried to do the same thing. We are talking 1800- early 1900.

You know what was happening in Europe? Belgium was killing 10Million people in the republic of congo and you know your own history in the USA? You know what happened to black people in the end of the 19 century - beginning of the 20 century?

Are people here really surprised that people were racist towards black people in the year 1890 or 1905? Wtf is happening right now

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u/EnterNameHere777 10h ago

It doesn't excuse it, even if it were 10,000BC. Still bad

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u/Matias9991 7h ago

Yeah, not saying that it isn't/wasn't

But calling out only Argentina is weird, the comment we are responding in is weird, Argentina wasn't special in any of that, as I said Brazil and Cuba had the same policies, Brazil received a good amount of Nazis too but for some reason people are just talking about Argentina like it was an extraordinary case, like it was the worst in the world when no, it was even quite progressive in comparison to the world.

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u/ElCazaPuta Unpopular Opinions 12h ago

In the 1850s they had racial mixing policies. What was ur country doing in the 1850s?

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u/SurvingTheSHIfT3095 21h ago

Its not just Americans that hate you... the entire world wanted Argentina to lose a game.

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u/maydisturb 1d ago

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u/ElCazaPuta Unpopular Opinions 12h ago

Yea so ice murders people and Elon did the salute in the USA. Argentina doesn't have those things

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u/Gold-Inevitable-2644 10h ago

multiple things can be true at once. the usa and Argentina can be racist together

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u/ElCazaPuta Unpopular Opinions 10h ago

Samuel said one of the most racists which is just not true

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u/maydisturb 1h ago

You're right. They got something different, equally bad.

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u/Who-Sh0t-JR 1d ago

Me discovering I give zero fucks what Argentinians have to say 🤷‍♂️

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u/ElCazaPuta Unpopular Opinions 12h ago

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u/YourphobiaMyfetish 11h ago

The ones that are criticizing Argentina are the ones that got the 1994 zoo exhibit shut down, not the ones who ran it.

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u/ElCazaPuta Unpopular Opinions 11h ago

Nope France loves to spread misinformation about us

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u/Academic_Dig_1567 1d ago

Sam Jackson was dead right. Bet that former legislator is white. 😂

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u/bnyc 1d ago

Rebeca Fleitas is white and an ultra-conservative supporter of Milei.

Is anyone surprised? Just u/ItAintThickButItLong who thinks the real racists are those who might check the skin color and politics of the person claiming "there's no racism"

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u/ElCazaPuta Unpopular Opinions 12h ago

The USA had segregation and ice kills people

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u/ElCazaPuta Unpopular Opinions 12h ago

Sam Jackson has ice killing people in his country and Elon doing the salute. He's not right lmao segregation?

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u/YourphobiaMyfetish 11h ago

2 things can be bad

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u/ItAintThickButItLong 1d ago

What does that have to do with anything?

Are you saying white people do certain things? I’m confused

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u/Combdepot 1d ago

White people do white supremacy. Did you not know that?

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u/Diddy_Block 1d ago

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u/Anansis_Waltz 1d ago

Hate it when we lose funny guys to YT-Narcissism.

Moment of silence for the twins.

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u/SargeUnited 1d ago

Were they ever funny? I thought they posted workout and nutrition content like 20 years ago. Then one of them made a video giving sex advice and I was like alright I’m gonna head out

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u/ItAintThickButItLong 1d ago

Well, that’s usually how it works bud. But in reality you aren’t entirely correct.

However, assuming someones race because you believe that action is only done by that race, is racist whether you want it to be or not… sorry.

Obviously you aren’t well traveled, nor do you know much about South American places.

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u/Combdepot 1d ago

You’re not a victim feeble noise generator.

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u/yahya777 1d ago

I think a white person from Argentina saying the country isn't racist might not have the same prespsective that a black person living there would have. Thats the only point he was trying to make when he said I bet the legislator was white. I'm sure

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u/yahya777 1d ago

I don't think it is racist too acknowledge a white legislator may not understand or be aware of the racism blacks face in that country. At worse they may not even care and would rather cover it up. We can pretend color doesn't matter becuase it shouldn't but that is not the world we live in.

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u/b_u_n_g_h_o_l_e_2 22h ago

Doing backflips to try to win this one

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u/peskantine 17h ago

Truly, the persistent ignorance is almost amusing.

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u/Property_6810 1d ago

Funny you mention Cletus. After the American civil war, plenty of southern plantation owners moved to South America to continue operations.

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u/Douglazlo 22h ago

Yah mostly Brazil as Argentina already ended slavery before then

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u/Ill-Prior-8429 1d ago

Me just watching two nazi countries argue about who the worst is 

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u/Aware_Job_6879 13h ago

They are not proud, why do people think this, people would frequently make self deprecating jokes along the lines of:

“Why does Argentina suck? Because all of the smart nazis went to the US, we got stuck with the dumb ones”

Or

“Japan is a small country with no natural resources, yet they thrive thanks to the Japanese people.
Argentina is a large country with tons or resources, yet we fail thanks to the Argentinian people”

And many more self deprecating jokes/comments like that.

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u/Crunchberry24 7h ago

I’d probably need more than the dubious anecdotes your groomer-handler gave you to parrot to change my opinion, which is based on Argentine policy history.

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u/Aware_Job_6879 7h ago

???

These are things professors and students told me at university of Buenos Aires. Not my “groomer handlers”

Historical government policies and the attitudes of an entire modern population aren’t the same thing. You can absolutely criticize Argentina’s history or past immigration policies, but that doesn’t justify thinking “Argentinians are racist” as though it’s a trait of everyone from the country. That’s still a generalization about millions of individuals.
I don’t even have a personal stake in this, I just don’t like seeing entire nationalities accused of negative traits based on history. Judge people by their own actions, not by the actions of a government or the stereotypes associated with where they were born.

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u/Infamous_7001 1d ago

Wasn’t there a video of Argentina fans being absolute trash towards IShowspeed because he was wearing a Cape Verse shirt?

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u/just_a_shell_00 1d ago

Doesn't excuse racist abuse he recieved. Had they kept it to something about him being annoying... that would get pass from society.

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u/Smart_Pretzel 1d ago

True but I didn’t say that

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u/just_a_shell_00 1d ago

I know and I didn't say you did. Like you it was a general response to the overall conversation.

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u/Papichuloft 1d ago

Kinda funny, when Fascits and Nazi fled to Argentina after the end of WW2. Genetics that were added were Italian and German--and not of the best variety either, like the low end low quality left over stock that no one wanted.

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u/Was_It_The_Dave 1d ago

And they have Peter Thiel to top it all off.

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u/NobodySpeci 1d ago

And he gave an interview recently where he openly applauded his new nation for preserving European race and how they treated “good men” after 1945

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u/gwizonedam 1d ago

“Exceptional Men” he called them

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u/Special_Order-937 11h ago

If you’re talking about that Tweet, that was fake.

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u/Mission_Swim_1783 6h ago edited 5h ago

4k within 20M big population at the time how much of an effect do you think 0,02% will have?? Stupid ass reddit theories

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u/Boetheus 6h ago

How many Nazis is too many?

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u/Mission_Swim_1783 6h ago

Ask the US they took in double the headcount and not just "scientists" that's the whitewashed version. They recruited a lot for their intelligence agencies and put a lot in NATO ranks

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u/Boetheus 5h ago

So, 4,000 is ok, but 8,000 is too many, got it

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u/Mission_Swim_1783 5h ago edited 4h ago

Why are you so focused on Argentina taking in 4k due to the fascist govt at the time some 80 years ago? Were these 4k actually composed of 100% nazi hardliners who committed atrocities? If the population was redeemable these 4k who left aren't?

Maybe a big portion were just Germans who wanted to leave a devastated Europe

What about literally Germany and Austria killing like 10 million? Is this all you know about us? It's extremely mild vs all the atrocities committed by the US and Europe from WW2 up to now. And we took in twenty times the Jewish refugees. While the US put their Japanese Americans out of their homes in internment camps and never returned their homes after the war ended. Oh what you thought you were purely good guys in WW2?

It's funny some ancient government allows immigration of some 4k 80 years ago and you are still the most evil hyperracist Nazi country in 2026 on the planet who just can't hold back their evil. Lol we never messed with our neighbors or implemented any internment camps in our borders or within, or any segregation laws, unlike the US. Both Europe and the US did orders of magnitude worse things across the world and within, and up to this day, which completely eclipses what some ancient fascist government did. So why don't you hyper focus your hate towards the northern hemisphere instead of some irrelevant third world country's not so nice trivia fact

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u/Boetheus 4h ago

You brought up the numbers, not me

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u/Mission_Swim_1783 4h ago

I mentioned the number because the original commenter implied this immigration has a significant impact on our genetics

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u/CucumberWisdom 16m ago

This isn't true.

Argentina took in more Nazis than the US and Russia combined!

USA ~1600

USSR ~2500

Argentina ~5000

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u/Saitharar 1d ago

The majority of German and Italians in Argentinia were immigrants in the 1880 to 1910s.

Also stop speaking about fucking good genetics like a Nazi eugenicist.

The US and USSR took in more refugee Nazis than Argentinia and the rest of South America

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u/dakid000 1d ago

This is 100% true but you will get downvoted because Argentina is the current moral outrage on Reddit right now.

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u/RobertRoyal82 1d ago

Isn't it weird how Argentina has no black players? Isn't it weird how Argentina in Israel have super close ties? Isn't it weird how Argentina has mostly Italian and Spanish last names?

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u/Fern-ando 1d ago edited 1d ago

Argentineans wear not allowing black players in their team as a badge of honor. Ironically they are being white supremacist against the multicultural european teams.

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u/Kratos501st 6h ago edited 6h ago

Argentina has had black players since the first world cup in 1930, stop lying

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u/Intelligent-Shop473 23h ago

Which black player should have made the team that they didn't allow?

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u/Royal_flushed 14h ago

Why is mostly having Spanish last names weird for a Spanish speaking country lol

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u/RobertRoyal82 5h ago

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u/Royal_flushed 1h ago

Bolivia is majority indigenous and their most common names are Spanish. Yeah, Argentina has a massive racism problem but it's hardly weird that a former Spanish colony would have Spanish names.

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u/RobertRoyal82 1h ago

Are we taking about Bolivia?

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u/Intelligent-Shop473 23h ago

It's not that weird. Why were there no black players on Croatia's team?

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u/RobertRoyal82 22h ago

Keep sticking your head in the sand

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u/Either-Age-782 12h ago

I guess it has to do with where the slaves ended up. There were no black players on the Norwegian team either.

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u/Automatic_Pop_5965 7h ago

Incorrect, Oscar Bobb and nusa are both of African descent.

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u/Either-Age-782 7h ago

Ah Bobb. Okay. How about Scotland?

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u/Torimas 17h ago

It's not weird. Small black population, the chances that even one is good enough to play for the NT are slim. It's what happens when you have 300k black people only and then receive literal millions of white immigrants in the course of a single generation and you allow them all to mix.

Oh, by the way. Hector Bailey, '78 world cup champion. Jose Ramos Delgado (his father was from Cape Verde), captain of the NT in the 60s. Alejandro de los Santos in the 1920s.

Oh, sorry, you mean today, right? Then Stephen "Kiki" Ramos, who's in the u17 team.

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u/astralnautical 1d ago

“A former Argentine legislator” so nobody. Got it

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u/jacking_of-ace 1d ago

Truth hurts, he's right. Argentina racist af

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u/Fern-ando 1d ago

The top post of r/dankgentina is calling Samuel a negro right now. Argentineans don't waste time proving him right.

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u/b_u_n_g_h_o_l_e_2 22h ago

Normal people don’t use skin color as the primary identifier of someone

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u/Careless-Balance-893 1d ago

Why are these people like this?! I don't understand at all how dumb they have to be to think everyone in the world seeing their behavior and coming to the same conclusion about them are all wrong. That takes a STUNNING level of commitment to lying to yourselves.

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u/Moody_Immortal_1 1d ago

I'm going to guess they think this is fine, given the climate of the government where this took place.

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u/QuickDevelopment2157 1d ago

Samuel Jackson is a former civil rights activist, far from ignorant.

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u/Fit-Jury-9026 1d ago

https://travelnoire.com/history-whitening-of-argentina

Here is information about Argentina and their treatment of Black people. 

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u/TheItchyWalrus 1d ago

African and indigenous groups were drafted in overwhelming numbers in Argentina as a systematic way to remove them from society. They were placed into the frontlines with the express purpose of ridding themselves of dark skinned individuals, many of which were victims of the slave trade. They did this in the last 19th century and into the early 20th century, with the War of Independence and Paraguayan War being the most prominent wars where the tactic was used. They did this well before Nazi German’s sought refuge there.

https://travelnoire.com/history-whitening-of-argentina

https://scholarworks.gvsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1007&context=mcnair

https://www.pushblack.us/news/how-argentina-erased-centuries-worth-its-black-history

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u/FilthyThanksgiving 1d ago

Argentina is known for being racist, ffs

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u/Either-Age-782 12h ago

Yeah they hated black people so much that they married them, unlike the US

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u/No-Atmosphere-2528 1d ago

Didn't they also just have a senator or something say she's allowed to be racist because she's old?

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u/CuriousWoollyMammoth 23h ago

That person was from Paraguay I believe.

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u/No-Atmosphere-2528 23h ago

You might be right. So much racism going around it's hard to keep track.

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u/CuriousWoollyMammoth 23h ago

Ngl so many countries showed their asses this FIFA world cup so I can't blame you.

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u/Capable-Locksmith-13 1d ago

I guess we're just supposed to ignore all the videos of Argentinian fans being racist.

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u/TheYellowFringe 1d ago

The fact that the world is witnessing how toxic and hateful the Argentines can be is something else.

I'm assuming that the World Cup will change how people think of Argentina in the future.

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u/MonsieurKnife 18h ago

Well I believe him.

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u/Full-Contract6143 19h ago

What’s your goal with this?

Because SLJ has been pretty vocal against the actions of the United States, both domestically and abroad. So I think the specific premise of your argument against falls a little flat.

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u/Low-Database-320 17h ago

If only this dork would dare take stand against “racism“ against his IRL Calvin candie, Quentin Tarantino lol

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u/MapDiscombobulated1 10h ago

Think Sam might be the winner on this one.......

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u/z3phs 53m ago

Think some Reddit mods will ban Samuel l Jackson now. I sure was for same comment 😂

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u/Constant_Page_6903 20h ago

If he said this then i Guess he is not gonna support the USA in any SPORT right? Let's not pretend that the USA isn't the most racist country by far

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u/Matias9991 15h ago

My god the comments here are beyond ignorant. I guess as ignorant as Samuel Jackson.

Argentina didn't killed black people in the streets as some people are saying here.

There is no proof that Black people were sent Deliberately to die on the wars, but the contrary, by all accounts the number of Black people, Natives and white people was pretty much equals.

Argentinians mainly are descendants of Spanish and Italians, the amount of Nazis that escaped here where minuscule at the time so no, people here are not descendants of Nazis, and if that's so then the same can be said of the USA, Brazil or USSR (not to talk about other European countries that obviously got Nazis) that got a similar number as per the ratlines.

Yes, in the early 1900 the government pushed for Europeans to populate the country, same thing that Brazil and Cuba tried in the same manner. We are talking about the end of 1800s - beginning of the 1900s, you know that the world was racist back then no? Europe were still the colonial owners of Africa, robbing and doing despicable things like the genocide in Congo that killed up to 10Million people. The USA was very segregated with both whites and black people having everything separated by color and groups like the KKK was huge getting over 4 million members in the early 1900s with hundreds and hundreds of victims at that time.

For real people, stop believing everything you see on TikTok and search for things, compare it and try to think rationally. If you read this text and end up thinking that Argentina has a more racist and violent history than most countries in Europe or the US then please let me know why you think that way because I don't see it.

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u/catinformant 7h ago

Why would it matter if its more racist than somewhere else? Its racist.

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u/Matias9991 7h ago

Because people are talking about Argentina like it was something special, like it was the most racist country in the world, when no, it was quite progressive at that time.

Obviously it was still racist and not good to have a preference of inmigrants because of social norms or color of your skin, but calling that out like it is crazy thing, how could Argentina do that?? It's just beyond weird, as I said there was countries that did the same like Brazil or Cuba and there are countries that did much much much worse lime USA, Portugal, Belgium, England etc etc so why tf are people singling out Argentina?

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u/catinformant 7h ago

Its pretty normal to call out racism.

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u/Matias9991 6h ago

No. It's not normal to say that Argentina is one, if not the most racist country in the world, saying that supporting Argentina is like supporting Slavery. Why? Again, Argentina is by far not the country with the worst racial history, it was in fact pretty progressive in the continent of America and didn't make all the shit Europe did in America or Africa.

So yes, you can criticize that at that time trying to get inmigrants from certain places because of social stereotypes or/and the color of skin but why call out that like the outliers? Why not call out the countries that did the most insane racist shit in the world? I didn't see this kind of comments for them, why?

My only explanation is blind hate or ignorance.

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u/catinformant 6h ago

Because we're talking about Argentina right now. Its fine to call out racism whenever and however.

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u/Matias9991 6h ago

My god, yes, it's more than ok to call out racism but not to try and push a story when Argentina has a troublesome history with black people that even compares to other countries like I already explained.

Yes, obviously it's ok to criticize racist shit but not to missinform the way people are doing with Argentina.

I named a lot of countries that have done the same or worst like Brazil for example was the main player in Slavery in America and abolished slavery much after than Argentina, I can name probably more than half of the world countries and give you a why it doesn't make sense to just call out Argentina for it's history.

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u/catinformant 6h ago

What aboutism is just to deflect for the purpose of shutting down conversation. The conversation is about Argentina right now.

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u/Matias9991 4h ago

It's not whataboutism, it's about spreading false information. The things being said about the history of Argentina is not true, things like that black people were killed on the streets, that they were sent to die in wars to exterminate black people in the country, that the communt was left to dead when illnesses spread, that the country is full of Nazis, that it's full of Sionists.

In this post, and on what Samuel Jackson says is not just talking about whitening in the beginning of the 20 century, it's pointing out just Argentina and saying that it's the most racist country without any type of proof of why are you saying that and comparing supporting the country as literally supporting Slavery.

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u/Ryousan82 2h ago

Because the tweet Samuel shared made the case that Argentina is the "most racist" country. Its perfectly acceptable to make comparisons

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u/catinformant 1h ago

Oh so this is just about semantics and pedantism

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u/Ryousan82 1h ago

You can tell Samuel that, that is that claim being disputed.

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u/catinformant 1h ago

"The claim being disputed" oh brother 😅 I'll call him right now

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u/Ryousan82 1h ago

Please do. Or continue to argue your strawman. What suits you best

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u/catinformant 1h ago

Lmfao debate me bro 🤓

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u/Ryousan82 1h ago

Hard to do so when you dint even know what is being discussed...

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u/catinformant 1h ago

Kind of you like you not recognizing sarcasm

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u/sando818580 1d ago

These same people were recently supporting Belgium 😆

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u/-Sofa-King-Vote 1d ago

Argentina supports the same genocide

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u/Violent-fog 1d ago

Didn’t they vote against the trans Atlantic slave trade being inhumane? I could’ve sworn they did

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u/Intelligent-Shop473 23h ago

America makes the bombs though.

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u/-Sofa-King-Vote 1d ago

I have and i wish they would seek at home too

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u/-Sofa-King-Vote 1d ago

I do try but we have a cult in control here

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u/Kaleb_Bunt 1d ago

Isn’t basically every big country in FIFA like this though?

Like I sincerely doubt Spain or England is any less racist than Argentina.

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u/BrightOctarine 21h ago

Are you kidding? Obviously there's racism everywhere but comparing england to argentina?

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u/NoConfusion2408 1d ago

Interesting... Isn't this guy from the country who murdered George Floyd just for being black?

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u/This_Loss_1922 23h ago

Yes hes also from a country that voted in the UN against comdemning slavery, only 3 racist countries voted no on that

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u/NoConfusion2408 23h ago

The voting went really well. I can see how his country is leading by example.

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u/This_Loss_1922 23h ago

You know who else voted no right

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u/Automatic_Pop_5965 7h ago

Argentina voted no.

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u/Intelligent-Shop473 23h ago

That was not what that vote was about. Post it.

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u/New-Highway-7011 23h ago

Well, he doesn’t deny America has issues with racism. Racism is a huge talking point in America whereas other countries like to pretend they are better despite in fact being no better and denying it exists in their country

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u/NoConfusion2408 23h ago

Let's being honest here, the entire fucking world is racist as fuck. No one is exempt on that. But saying "Argentina is the most racist country", come on. Don't event get me started with France, England, or even Spain. (Football aside, i don't give a f about that),

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u/New-Highway-7011 23h ago

For sure I agree with you there. It is true that his hyperbole and blanket statement about a whole country is rather absurd.

It’s just the reaction by a legislator that causes raised eyebrows because it’s going to bring the topic into wider discourse, thus all the hot takes happening now

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u/NoConfusion2408 23h ago

Agreed. Argentina is being targeted as fuck becuase reasons, while the Paraguay Senator lively and literaly call Monkeys to French people.

I don't see them floading Reddit with that. There is a huge movement against Argentina right now because they didn't like how they play a stupid sport. Fair, but let's not be hypocrites

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u/Torimas 16h ago

But apparently Argentina is way better than the US on that topic.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-racist-countries