or maybe the second photo

For context, I just got into PTV a few months ago when I heard King for a Day, it was the first post-hardcore song (or any kind of heavy music with screaming and huge drums) I'd ever heard and I ate it up and immediately listened to their whole discography. It was so amazing I immediately started looking up other bands in the genre, and over and over I kept hearing about SWS, so I gave their music a listen, but it was nowhere the same experience as PTV was.

No hate to them, I still added one or two of their songs, but it was definitely not even close. Kellin's voice is a little too whiny to my ears, but more than that, the lyrics and music composition just seem more simplistic to me. I love PTV because of Vic's beautiful metaphors, unpredictable raw-sounding guitar riffs, and complicated drum beats, but I didn't really find any of that with SWS.

So to come back to my question, are there any bands that do what PTV can do?

For some added context about my taste, I think CWTS and MA are basically immaculate albums, SM imo is pretty close to immaculate, TJOL is pretty good, and I don't love AFFTD, but it does have some bangers. My top 5 songs at the moment (in no particular order) are Besitos, The Boy Who Could Fly, The New National Anthem, Phantom Power and Ludicrous Speed, and Bulls in the Bronx.

Hello everyone!! I recently have been very interested in parallel or previous projects Vic Fuentes was in, and I happened to have read his Wikipedia again and being dumb founded by the fact Early Times / Before Today had previously released three EPs before "A Celebration Of An Ending".

So I came here to ask, do we have any traces of these EPs? Name, album cover, even the songs on them? I would be quite eager to listen to them somehow and right now it seems I can’t find anything about them online. That’s why I’m resorting to the community, to help me know if these projects are lost media or if we do have them somewhere!!

FINAL EDIT: As of today, in July 2026, all of Early Times / Before Today is available to listen to on platforms. What I came to learn very quickly was that the songs from these EPs were demos, sold on CD between 1999 and 2003. "A Celebration Of An Ending" had some of the demos re-recorded as studio versions of the songs (Failure Is Relative, and the three tracks from "Roots Beneath Ideals"). In 2024, the remaining demos and recordings were published on Spotify and other platforms (unofficially). The thing is that what truly is a lost media is the demo versions of the tracks on "A Celebration Of An Ending" which are exclusive to the original EPs: "Early Times* / Before Today" and "Roots Beneath Ideals". I originally posted here because everything was confusing about the band, but I came to realise that the songs were there, and that there is a lost media to search. So if there are people out there with the original CDs for these EPs, for preservation it would be a grace to have them ripped so the demos can finally exist.

The search for these EPs also makes me believe that the bands pages should be one since it was always the same band (just name the page "Early Times / Before Today"), and that the EP should have arbor this double name too for clarity.

EDIT: After searching a little more, I found out we do have names and covers for the EPs and that one of them is on Spotify (that being No Turning Back). But do we have any songs from "Early Times\" and "Roots Beneath Ideals*" ?

EDIT 2: Thanks to [u/throwaway221934](u/throwaway221934), I went on Discogs.com to try and search some news. It appears that the EP named "Early Times\" is in fact "Before Today" on Spotify! The tracklist matches and the songs are not fake-released. The only missing song is *Failiure Is Relative as it got an official release in "A Celebration Of An Ending". The title change also coincided with the rights problem that led to the band also renaming to Before Today. This means that for now, the only missing EP from Early Times / Before Today is "Roots Beneath Ideals".

I made this colored pencil drawing attempting to mesh the two together (with a fair bit of creative liberty) for my friend's birthday! It doesn't look like it took very long but oh man, it really did...

Anybody else in here planning on camping outside the stadium? I’m driving 20 hours from Texas and am curious, I’m trying to get barricade

And for the locals, do yall know if they kick people off the sidewalks/surrounding area for doing so? I’m gonna do whatever it takes to get barricade

I apologize if this is an odd request, but to my understanding a lot of pierce the veil songs seem to be about heartbreak among other things, but is there any songs that depict like a "thank you" sort of thing? Like about a healthy successful relationship, a happy ending?

i just experimented so i thought id have some fun!

i notice this song is not talked about much and am wondering what people think of it me personally its one of my favorite songs but i wanna here what others think

All you need is a Spotify account google account. DM if interested in helping out.

So I just made a piano arrangement for Bulletproof Love. Hope you like it :))

If someone made a master playlist of all the greatest songs of all time, what PTV song would you choose to add?

The songs on the album are so dang motherfrickin good. Especially Gold Medal Ribbon. So, what album should a I take a listen next?👀

Hi!! I’ve been a fan of PTV for ten years now but because I’m from Asia, I’ve never been able to see them live and it’s been a dream of mine for years. I’m currently in NYC for an internship, and I’ve been thinking of spending money to fly to California for either the Saturday lineup of the Aftershock festival or for PTV’s hometown show!

It costs me around the same amount (might be slightly more for Aftershock depending on what hotel I manage to get), so I was wondering which one yall think would be more worth it? I listen to quite a few of the other bands playing on Saturday as well but as this is my first ever festival and I’m travelling alone as a woman, I’m a little worried for my safety (I’ll probably have to stay somewhere much further away from Discovery Park for a cheaper stay) and I might not have the stamina to last so long in the sun 😭 And I don’t know what it’s like for a festival but I’m under the impression that the San Diego show might play more of my favourite songs and feel more grand since it’s their hometown and their finale, plus I’m planning to get the VIP GA + Hotel package so I’d probably be able to be closer to the stage compared to the festival. And, the bands playing on Saturday that I like are also playing in NYC / a day trip away so I’d still be able to watch them. However, the amount of money I’m spending is rather large for just one band so I feel like it might be more justified to spend the amount on PTV and a few other bands I like instead.

What are your thoughts?

I know it’s messy i only had sharpies 😭😭

Does anybody have the set list for this year tour ?!

https://youtu.be/S7ejc3qn06w?is=uj7owcXS4R39xB8x

It makes me so emotional.