Seeing a giant mutant Bill Irwin on screen attacking people was something else

Alright, I've made it through all of Legion now. I only watched the first two seasons when I originally watched it, so this time round I got through the whole thing and it was well worth it. However, this has led me to ask, are there more mutants than we're told about?

In the series, the residents of Summerland (With the exception of Melanie) and The Eye (Walter) are identified as mutants, but aside from them, the only ones actively identified are Farouk and Xavier. However, I'm wondering if some of the other characters we see aren't mutants and we're either not told, or the wiki has somehow misidentified them.

Amy Haller. She remarks about having dreams where she's not herself, and before her encounter with Farouk, talks about dreaming she was one of Admiral Fukyama's Vermillion, even quoting them verbatim. So does Amy have some form of Astral Projection or Dream walking power that simply isn't identified because she doesn't use it consciously?

Similarly so, when we're shown flashbacks to Admiral Fukyama, he's noted to have been chosen for the procedure cause he never gets sick or injured. Is it possible then he has some level of healing factor that allowed him to survive the procedure?

Lastly, the Mi-Go Monk. Since he's actively identified as the cause of the Maze Virus, is this some form of mysticism, or mutation? It ends when he dies, but aside from that, the origin of this ability is largely unknown.

There are some other incidentals that I'm unsure of, Melanie's Minotaur doesn't seem to abide by the limitations we know of and Lenny somehow got a woman pregnant, but I can't be sure if those are their abilities, or just inconsistencies with the mechanisms of Farouk's or David's powers.

Especially given the heavily subjective and esoteric nature of the narrative, I can't say for sure, but I think, at least taking what was shown in these cases as being as real and grounded as the show ever gets, they're fair evidence that these three may also be mutants.

Watching through this show, I am just floored by how incredible Navid Neganban is as Amahl Farouk. Every adaptation I'd seen up to this point, Farouk was always kind of a bland, power for the sake of power type villain, but the series turns him into this very realistic narcissist type character.

Yes, he's still evil, he still seeks power and control, but you start to see how someone like that could come to be. Alive for centuries, he's a tyrant, but as far as he's concerned, he's a better alternative to the colonising white men invading under the guise of being somehow better than him. He understands the idea of the state as a means of control, and since he has so much power, he may as well be the state and he says it all with this charming, multi-lingual conversational gait to his speech. Like he's lived so long and spoken all these languages, they're just tools for him to communicate his will to the lower life forms, he doesn't get angry or emotive, cause why would he? He's talking to people he barely thinks of as people. The only ones he tends to speak to as equals are Oliver and David (At least as far as I've seen) and even then, Oliver is more like a curiousity, he's intrigued by his statement that he'll kill Farouk, but little more, and David he literally sends back to the kiddie table cause he's just a child to Farouk, maybe one day he'll grow up, but until then, he just dismisses him out of hand.

It's incredible work, and I love the way he gestures and emotes, very casual and subdued and downright creepy, meanwhile, cause of the masks he wears, the Demon, Lenny, Oliver, you understand that beneath that calm and collected exterior, he is deeply depraved and fucked up.

Like, Would he help him control his powers, or would he have trust issues with him like his comic counterpart?

I just finished this wonderful series. What a trip!

Spoiler tag is for Season 3 stuff. I'm probably just being paranoid.

Time is very well connected to timelines(duh), and splitting timelines is a part of how alternate universes are formed. Switch and her old man would all have vested interests in Multiversal shenanigans. Headcanon is they tend to take a hands off role and tend to observe rather than appear directly. Now again, won't happen doesn't matter, but even a cameo role here would be interesting to think about? What kind of role would she have if she was to appear?

I just can't reconcile "Lenny's" Shadow King and their dialog with David VS everything that comes in S2 and after.

Rewatching LEGION for the first time in years, and it just doesn't click that they're the same character. Gender aside and everything that comes with that, Farouk would not say half the shit Lenny said in S1, unless of course we accept it as being filtered thru David's LEGION lense the entire time...

Having rewatched S1 and 2, maybe I missed something, but I don’t think the X-Men or any members were ever mentioned. Then going into S3, I’ve just reached Ep3 (Chapter 22), and watching all of Charles’s early life, I feel as if he never founded the X-Men in this timeline.

• Cerebro is in his own home’s basement.
• His wife (David’s mother) was in an institution, where Charles met her.
• Mutants seem to only have started being discovered recently, with the Divisions only moving to collaborate within David’s adult life.

Perhaps a refuge exists, such as the X-Mansion, that Charles made; but, I feel as-if the X-Men were purposely excluded from the start due to studio restrictions, and then later the writers decided to continue with the narrative they were never founded to avoid confusion.

I think rather than trying to bring back David or reboot Legion, this would be a pretty awesome use of Hawley's storytelling abilities.

spoilers for finale of season 1 and start of 2
im so confused at the start of seaon 2 they mentiondavid being taken by the orb and i cant remeber watching that. i just realized after a google search that it was in a post credit clipthose details get showen. were there other post credit clips that i missed that were integral to the plot kinda like how invincible is as a show, i feel like an idiot here

Years ago, I bought these two iconic outfits online that were screen worn by Dan Stevens on the show. At the time, I was more overweight, and since Dan is a tiny man, I couldn’t fit into his pants. I’ve recently lost quite a bit of weight, and I was finally able to fit into them!

Sadly, there’s nothing I can do about my height, so I will always look silly in his episodes 7 & 8 coat. I just wanted to share my excitement with other fans of the show.

(Please excuse my terrible lighting and mirror.)

Great show nonetheless but season 1 set the show up to be what would have been my favorite show of all time

The character development and plot just really fell apart for me as things progressed halfway through season 2. It’s not that the characters changed , it’s that the way they changed was not logical.

Season 1 was far more substantive in my opinion. I really fell in love with the characters - by mid season 2 the characters felt like shells of themselves and their development did not feel believable. Just jarring and disappointing !!!

Love love love this show though, I just wish Noah Hawley could remake season 2 and 3 and keep the substance intact.

Season 1’s essence would have made the show a cult classic forever

I bet there's a bunch of Pink Floyd.

And what else would be there?

There's a scene where he's talking to a Psychiatrist, I think. Something in the room catches his attention and the camera turns to his right, but nothing is there.

That could be a reference to Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd:

• When I was a child
• I caught a fleeting glimpse
• Out of the corner of my eye
• I turned to look but it was gone
• I cannot put my finger on it now
• The child is grown
• The dream is gone

What did you hear or see watching Legion?

Shouldn’t Syd’s life be just as tragic the second time? David starts over as a baby, but Syd’s life isn’t affected by David until she’s already institutionalized. Division 3 may not end up coming without David, but the worst parts of Syd’s life would play out exactly the same before that.

Ptonomy's character was so thoroughly disrespected by the end of Season 2. His gift & background story were worthy of more development.

I'm reading Dispelling Wetiko: Breaking the Curse of Evil and the description of Wetiko sounds an awful lot like the Shadow King:

Shape-shifting so as to cloak itself in our form, this mercurial predator gets under our skin and "puts us on" as a disguise, impersonating us as it fools us into buying into its false version of who we are. Falling prey to its artificial yet uncanny intelligence, we become unreal to ourselves. Bamboozled and hoodwinked by this imposter, we mime ourselves, becoming false duplicates of our original, true selves. When we are taken over by the wetiko spirit, we can subjectively experience ourselves as being most ourselves, while ironically being most estranged from ourselves. This is a simultaneous state of fusion and dissociation, as the parts of the psyche that have split off from consciousness overwhelm and take over the whole through its unconscious blind spots. No longer belonging to or possessing ourselves, we then identify with who we are not while forgetting who we actually are. In so doing, we have effectively lost our souls.

Various depictions seem familiar... the oversized head of the World's Angriest Boy in the World:

Apparently there's a movie out this year titled Wetiko that looks pretty good.

Okay, so I’ve been rewatching Legion these past few weeks, trying to get a better understanding of it than I did when I was younger because a lot seemed to not make sense by s3 from what I remember.

I hope this doesn’t come off as me hating on the show just to hate, I just want to know if there’s anyone who feels the same or if there’s stuff I’m missing.

S1 rewatch was really good, I enjoyed the entire season (though I did think it was weird how Oliver was introduced ish)

S2 though. oof..
I wasn’t too big of a fan of the post credit thing in s1 because I feel like I could’ve missed it and been very confused but that’s marvel for you lol

The one year time gap is a little strange to me, especially with some later stuff I’m annoyed about.

I want to say I’m enjoying season two so far, Amahl Farouk is memorable as I remember him being and I still do like him a lot.

The beginning few episodes of season 2 were pretty strong. Apart from the fact some characters feel a little odd. Melanie being depressed because of Oliver being taken away from her again makes sense, but she feels very very absent from the show, especially in the later episodes of season 2.

The Amy thing makes me madd, it makes absolutely no sense that after David realized he was gone for an entire year, he wouldn’t check with his sister?? And why is she in a random ass desert??? David spent half of season one gearing up to save her and then doesn’t care in season two? It feels like the series forgot about her for the first few episodes, and when they did remember it made for some really strong episodes where David goes through his grief but like.. Syd offers little to no sympathy for David after the whole farouk killing his sister thing, to the point he has to go to future Syd instead to talk to her? Just for her to be all “you gotta stay focused bro” This makes no sense 😭

Ptonomys “death” makes me annoyed as well because after this huge thing breaks out of him and splits his back in half,David and everyone else doesn’t say anything and it feels like they just forgot he was in a critical condition, I though they were good friends with him??

Then he gets hooked up to the weird tree thing (I don’t even remember this or where it’s going) and that just kinda made me stop watching for a day or two because I hate the decisions they’re making in the show right now. I hope it gets better from here and that Ptonomy isn’t even more absent from the show but yknow at this point idk.

I’m not sure how this works in the comics, if it’s the exact same or if there were some weird changes the writers made?

Gonna watch more tonight and see if this gets better, they can’t do anything about the Amy thing anymore so I guess I’ll just be annoyed about that the rest of the show 🤣(I enjoy the body swap thing I thought it was really messed up and revealed well, I just hate how Amy was gone the entire first half of the season)

I don’t remember much from here minus some stuff from season 3 so I might take some time to respond to some people to not get spoiled for anything.

After rewatching this series: I realize now that this entire show is about misdiagnosis, and the power we each give the people we believe can fix us.

David, has the ability to do anything; but is trapped in a reality by those who are afraid of him: so instead of helping, they indulge and gaslight him into making their own situations better.

Sydney, is someone who acts like they can’t do anything alone; constantly feeling they’re the victim; but refuses to accept that their own actions directly lead to the given situation. With single events real or implanted enough to derail their entire world view.

Those two characters represent the yang and yang of god and human… one who has all the power to do anything, while the other uses manipulation to get others to try and fix them; yet both still trapped by a need they feel for the other.

the mastery of the show is that each isn’t showcasing mental illness, but complexes that both depend and enviably lead to their own destruction when they do.

Basically, it’s a cosmic fable: on why relationships between humans and gods are destined to fail.