Just more evidence that this technology and building style was global and discovered by other ancient civilizations.

Many scientific abstracts linked, so you can read for yourself. I spent hours searching for data rather than opinions or pop-science articles. This is not A.I. Read the stuff at each link. We can only speculate about the lost civilization until more research and scans are done on submerged coastal areas.
TL/DR: The Flood happened. Ancient settlements along all coastlines were lost. This doesn't imply some high tech or that it was a single culture.

In the centuries after the post Ice Age floods, lands continued to be submerged from earthquakes and other geological forces, even until fairly recent centuries, such as Thonis-Heracleion (PHOTO). Located in Abu Qir Bay, roughly 4.3 miles off the modern Egyptian coast and 19 feet underwater, this once-bustling Mediterranean port served as the mandatory entry point for international trade and was swallowed by earthquakes and rising seas around the 8th century AD...

During the entire deglaciation period (from the Last Glacial Maximum 26,000 and 19,000 years ago to today), global sea levels rose by a total of approximately 120 to 130 meters (390 to 425 feet). The total worldwide human population during the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) is estimated to have been only 4 to 8 million people total, after repeated climate disasters and genetic bottlenecks. While the raw number of displaced people was low by modern standards, the percentage of the population affected was catastrophic, affecting 25% of all humans alive at the time. Because approximately 70% to 80% of prehistoric hunter-gatherers lived in highly productive coastal zones, river valleys, and exposed continental shelves, the loss of 20 million square kilometers of the earth's most fertile land directly forced nearly 1 in 4 humans to permanently abandon their territories and flee inland. (2018) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379117305267?via%3Dihub

The post-glacial sea level rise of 120 to 130 meters permanently altered global geography by drowning vast terrestrial landscapes, severing critical migration routes, and reshaping modern coastlines. Extensive geological sampling, sediment cores, and seismic modeling confirm the specific submersion of several prominent land bridges and prehistoric territories.

(2024) https://www.cambridge.org/core/elements/abs/anthropological-archaeology-underwater/45DC5C1C0EED0ED02863829A64F54143

Lost Lands

Rapid ice sheet melting flooded the Bering Strait, cutting off the land bridge completely by approximately 11,000 years ago.

(2020) https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aay2935

Doggerland was a sprawling, topographically diverse landscape that physically connected Great Britain to mainland Europe (modern-day France, Germany, and the Netherlands). It supported thriving Mesolithic communities.

(2024) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1040618224001538

Sundaland was an expansive exposed tropical landmass that extended the Asian continent southeastward. It fused the Malay Peninsula with the modern islands of Sumatra, Java, and Borneo into a single continuous territory. Meltwater Pulse 1B drastically accelerated the drowning of Sundaland. The rising sea level eventually choked off the ancient Molengraaff river system, forcing coastal lines inward and isolating the Indonesian archipelago into distinct islands.

(2023) https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-023-04510-0

Marine geological surveys indicate the Persian Gulf was completely dry until ocean waters breached the Strait of Hormuz roughly 12,000 years ago, entirely filling the basin to modern levels.

In the Southern Hemisphere, a vast plain known as the Sahul Shelf connected Australia, New Guinea, and the Aru Islands. Sea level data indicates this shelf was submerged over several millennia, creating the modern Torres Strait and Arafura Sea, effectively isolating the distinct ecosystems and human populations of Australia and New Guinea. For example, a landmark demographic study published in Quaternary Science Reviews modeled the impact of Meltwater Pulse 1A on the prehistoric continent of Sahul. The researchers calculated that rapid sea level rise swallowed 2.12 million square kilometers (21.6%) of their habitable land. (2018) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379117305267

Dating back 5,000 years to the Greek Bronze Age, Pavlopetri is the oldest submerged city in the world discovered thus far featuring a nearly intact urban layout. Marine scientists use a coordinated suite of side-scan sonar, multibeam bathymetry, sub-bottom profilers, and Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR) magnetometers. These tools pierce through seafloor muck to map rigid geometric anomalies. Hyper-detailed 3D digital layouts of the seafloor structures from sonar models mapped 15 distinct, large multi-room complexes, defined streets, courtyards, a network of water-management channels, and monumental rock-cut cist and chamber tombs. The precision of the sonar allowed scientists to accurately trace the architectural thresholds and doorways of the buildings. (2024 video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gen0oHhdEmM&t=13s

The Flood Details

The Meltwater Pulse 1A event occurred between 14,700 and 14,200 years ago, lasting roughly 400 to 500 years. Peak speeds reached 26 to 53 millimeters per year. Certain models argue for 60 millimeters per year (2.3 inches per year). Total sea level rise reached 16 to 25 meters (52 to 82 feet). Coral records verify these findings on NASA GISS and Springer. Consensus models, including sea-level fingerprinting studies featured in Eos, place the global average rise at 17.9 meters over 500 years before the Younger Dryas. (2021) https://eos.org/articles/an-ancient-meltwater-pulse-raised-sea-levels-by-18-meters

Meltwater Pulse 1B occurred later, between 11,500 and 11,200 years ago, following the Younger Dryas cold period. Speeds were significantly lower than Pulse 1A. Most records show 13 to 15 millimeters per year. Select Barbados models peak at 40 millimeters per year. Total sea level rise reached 13 to 15 meters (43 to 49 feet) according to geologists. (2102) https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/2012_gornitz_10/

(2025) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-025-59858-0

Skeptics go away.

I've seen this artifact mentioned a hundred times on this sub with zero context, so here's the actual story with sources.

1936, near Baghdad. A clay jar turns up with a copper cylinder and an iron rod sitting inside it, dated to the Parthian or early Sassanid period. German archaeologist Wilhelm König looks at it and says this looks exactly like a battery fill it with vinegar or grape juice, and you've got a working galvanic cell. Sounds crazy, except MythBusters actually built one in 2005 and it produced real voltage.

That alone would just be a fun trivia fact. What makes it worth posting now is a paper published this January by independent researcher Alexander Bazes in Sino-Platonic Papers. He argues the artifact wasn't one battery it was two cells combined into a single design, and a proper reconstruction can push past 1.4 volts. That's enough to actually drive electroplating and etching, not just make a multimeter twitch. He's even comparing the "outer cell" mechanism to modern tin-air battery chemistry. Paper: Sino-Platonic Papers, Issue 377, Jan 2026.

Here's where it gets messy though. William Hafford, a Penn Museum curator who's actually studied the original fragments isn't buying the battery theory at all. He points to nearly identical jars found in the region one with 10 nested copper vessels and says these were more likely ritual containers. The idea being you'd drop a written prayer or curse through the neck, seal it with bitumen, and bury it as an offering to underworld deities. And there's still the elephant in the room: no wires have ever been found with any of these jars. Battery believers say iron wire would've rusted away over 2000 years. Skeptics call that a convenient assumption with nothing to actually back it.

So take your pick a genuinely functional ancient power source that got explained away, or a religious object that modern people keep re-imagining because it happens to look like something we understand today. Both sides have smart people arguing for them. I lean toward the ritual explanation honestly, but the Bazes voltage numbers are hard to just dismiss.

Sources: Bazes (2026), Sino-Platonic Papers No. 377 Hafford, quoted in Chemistry World, Jan 2026

Summary of last night press conference by Filippo Biondi, a remote sensing specialist from La Sapienza University in Rome, presentation on the topic: https://youtu.be/Omk1CSdWaU8?si=j-BLgrIHdEk3mPLY

Let’s get the those beech shovels 

I have always found the story of Dwarka fascinating because it's one of those places where mythology and archaeology seem to meet.

According to ancient Indian texts like the Mahabharata and the Harivamsa, Dwarka was the kingdom of Krishna, built on the western coast of present-day Gujarat before eventually being swallowed by the sea.

What's interesting is that this isn't based only on mythology. Since the 1980s, marine archaeologists from India's National Institute of Oceanography explored the seabed near modern Dwarka and Bet Dwarka. They discovered stone anchors, dressed stone blocks, walls, and other structural remains that suggest there was significant human activity along this coastline thousands of years ago.

That said, the evidence should be viewed carefully. While these underwater discoveries confirm that ancient settlements existed in the area, archaeologists have not reached a consensus that the submerged structures are the legendary city of Krishna described in the epics. Coastal erosion, sea-level changes, and repeated rebuilding over centuries make the site's history incredibly complex.

For me, that's what makes Dwarka so compelling. It doesn't need exaggerated claims about advanced lost technology or proof of the Mahabharata. The real archaeological discoveries are already remarkable and leave plenty of room for research and discussion.

What do you think?

Do the underwater remains represent the Dwarka described in ancient texts, or are they evidence of a different ancient port city whose story has become intertwined with legend?

Source: Info based on NIO/ASI marine archaeology surveys, 1983-1992

We don't talk enough about ancient India and their mind bending tech.

He did a just in case interview before going in to surgery before the end of June and was looking a little rough. Anyone have any updates? Would surely miss the man and his contributions to our history

Who knows the past, understands the present. 👽know your enemy👽

The younger Dryas impact hypothesis is not accurate. The impact caused the Bølling Allerød Younger Dryas climate pulse, transitioning us from the Pleistocene to the Holocene.

Core Proposal

Approximately 14,700 years before the present, a large extraterrestrial body approached Earth on a shallow trajectory and remained largely intact until fracturing at or near the surface of a pre-existing ocean or archipelago in the Taklamakan region. The main fragment struck the water body while smaller fragments created clustered secondary disturbances nearby.

The marine impact generated a massive steam plume and displaced enormous volumes of water and sediment, injecting vast quantities of water vapor into the atmosphere. This drove a rapid greenhouse warming pulse (the Bølling-Allerød), followed by a cooling phase as the vapor and particulates dispersed (the Younger Dryas). The destruction of the original marine basin, widespread sediment redistribution, and altered drainage patterns directly produced the Tarim Basin and reshaped surrounding desert regions. Antipodal seismic focusing triggered supervolcanic activity along the western Americas, including a major eruption at Yellowstone, generating mega-tsunamis whose effects are recorded in regions such as the Kalahari.

This single high-energy marine impact was large enough to generate global antipodal effects and directly produced the observed geological and meteorological record of the late Pleistocene to mid-Holocene transition. It also decimated a global advanced civilization that had constructed monumental architecture aligned to the pre-impact equator and stellar configurations.

Geological Predictions and Signatures

The Tarim Basin is the modified remnant of the original marine basin and primary impact site. The surrounding mountain ranges, including the Himalayas along the southwestern rim, record the high-energy interaction between the impactor and the water body. Smaller fragment strikes produced localized secondary disturbances nearby.

The Gobi and Sahara reflect the direct fallout and redistribution of water-rich ejecta and sediment from the marine impact, reinforced by antipodal tsunami flooding in the case of North Africa. Substantial volumes of water were displaced during the event, with significant residual water remaining buried beneath the Tarim Basin today.

The event produced a global great-circle alignment visible in high-resolution satellite imagery. This alignment, passing through the Giza region, Trou au Natron, and Kusasenrigahama, records the pre-impact equator and can be used to reconstruct the impactor’s trajectory and energy. The same alignment intersects multiple megalithic sites, preserving cultural memory of the reoriented geography.

Climatic Mechanism

Prior to the event, glacial margins extended further equatorward. The shallow marine impact on the Taklamakan ocean/archipelago drove rapid, high-amplitude warming through the sudden vaporization and atmospheric injection of water from the local sea. As vapor and dust dispersed and crustal effects subsided, the system experienced a sharp cooling phase during the Younger Dryas.

The combination of widespread sediment deposition, disrupted drainage patterns, antipodal tsunami flooding, and the extended release of meltwater from northern glaciers during the Holocene transition sustained elevated humidity across North Africa for several millennia. As the sediment layer compacted and eroded, water sources diminished, and atmospheric circulation stabilized, the region underwent progressive aridification. The full sequence of humidity onset, Younger Dryas interruption, sustained early-to-mid Holocene humidity, and gradual aridification is the direct signature of this event and its long-term interaction with deglacial processes.

Proxy and Dating Reinterpretation

Standard impact indicators exist in the geological record but have been systematically misdated or under-recognized due to the event’s marine character and the complex signatures created by large-scale water and sediment redistribution. Dating results across the Gobi, Sahara, and related regions are contaminated by the excavation and redeposition of older material during the cataclysm. When these effects are properly accounted for, the proxy records align with a single high-energy marine impact at ~14.7 ka as the central driver of the observed geological and climatic patterns.

Integrative and Explanatory Power

This event unifies multiple phenomena previously treated as disconnected:

• The near-synchronous modification of major desert regions through water-rich ejecta, sediment redistribution, and tsunami effects.
• The timing and structure of the Bølling-Allerød warming pulse and its relationship to the Younger Dryas.
• Morphological patterns visible in high-resolution satellite imagery that align with a coherent global trajectory and great-circle geometry.
• Antipodal volcanic and tsunami signatures.
• Apparent discrepancies in dating and proxy records across multiple continents.

From the high-orbit perspective now available, these features form a single coherent global pattern centered on a shallow-trajectory marine impact in Central Asia. The impact directly produced the geological and meteorological record of the late Pleistocene to mid-Holocene transition.

Paradigm Implications

This event requires substantial revision to current understandings of the timing and drivers of major desert formation, the triggers of deglacial climate shifts, the recent tectonic and thermal history of major mountain belts, and the age and context of certain megalithic alignments. It establishes the ~14.7 ka marine impact as the central boundary condition that shaped the geological and climatic record of the late Pleistocene to mid-Holocene transition and decimated a global advanced civilization.

I don't know if there are philosophers of science here who also understand archaeology and vice versa - but if yes, would love to hear more from you. For full disclosure I know nothing about archeology as a discipline. But I know about academia intimately and am a bit of a nerd about onlogology and epistemology. I just watched the Netflix series, ancient apocalypse. While I haven't done an in depth analysis of his argument, I do find his theories and reasoning interesting, particularly the comparative analyses of symbols, language, meanings etc. I wonder if part of the critiques he's faced from archeologists is related to the dominant philosophical framework archeologists scientifically engage with? Do archeologists only engage with positivism, and therefore the need for hard, measurable facts, or are there branches of archeology that are more open to other ways of knowing, like oral history/indigenous knowledge, critical realism etc? I know he's faced criticisms from indigenous people, and I acknowledge these. At the same time in his series, it sounds to me like he's validating the knowledge system of indigenous people, by listening to their story telling, and recognising these stories as legitimate form of knowledge (with important information for archeology); which many, many western scientists would be very quick to dismiss.

Update: I posted the above after watching season 2, and then realised there was a first season, which I've been watching. Oh my, I wouldn't have written my post the way I did if I had started with season 1! Incredibly aggressive towards the entire archeology scientific community, with zero substance to his attacks. Just very odd to me he did this, as it's just not a very smart approach in my opinion. I now better understand the backlash after season 1.