r/DebateEvolution 21h ago

Discussion Why is "proving evolution wrong" so important for some people?

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There's no doubt evolution exists today and it's observed, even small things like genetics and adaptation, some will call this micro-evolution. I find evolution very interesting and fascinating so sometimes I wonder, macro-evolution, it exists, but to those who believe it doesn't, why do they care so much to prove it doesn't exist? Evolution doesn't seem to be hurting them by just existing? Evolution works on a generation scale which will take effect and changes million of years after they're long gone. So why do some people care so much about disproving it I am curious?


r/DebateEvolution 3h ago

Dear reality deniers: abiogenesis, embryology, and evolution are NOT Legos

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First off, "reality deniers" is not an ad hom.
Also said deniers (Salem Hypothesis engineers and designer-ists included) are categorically so given the mind-projection fallacy.


Now: said reality deniers invoke tornado imagery putting together a computer, detached-from-reality combinatorial calculations for mutations, and Pokemon transformation (build another model) for evolution.
Each of those are based on a LEGO mindset.

 

Abiogenesis (i.e. geobiochemistry) is NOT the putting together of a cell, Lego style.
- You can't invoke design as we know it (and as we don't know it is just vacuous).

Embryology is NOT the building of bodies with parts, Lego style.
- You can't invoke design as we know it (and as we don't know it is just vacuous).

And evolution, a population-level process, is NOT Legos.
- You can't invoke design as we know it (and as we don't know it is just vacuous).

 

As a taste for development (embryology), from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK9992/:

... Gastrulation usually involves some combination of the following types of movements

  • Invagination. The infolding of a region of cells, much like the indenting of a soft rubber ball when it is poked.
  • Involution. The inturning or inward movement of an expanding outer layer so that it spreads over the internal surface of the remaining external cells.
  • Ingression. The migration of individual cells from the surface layer into the interior of the embryo.
  • Delamination. The splitting of one cellular sheet into two more or less parallel sheets.
  • Epiboly. The movement of epithelial sheets (usually of ectodermal cells) that spread as a unit, rather than individually, to enclose the deeper layers of the embryo.

 

Which of those are design/engineering/Lego processes? And if your first thought is what's that got to do with evolution, evolution begins with a change in development. If your second thought is it was designed to act like that, read the sentence that I repeated three times above.

Welcome to reality.