Personally, I'll never like the ending for what it did to Eren but one of my other gripes was the whole Ymir/Mikasa parallel. I'll admit I liked it and called it good writing when I first saw it(both obsessively love a man that is violent) but once I thought about it I got confuzzled.

If titan powers only existed because Ymir honored King Fritz's wish of an eternal titan empire out of love, why did she follow Eren when he said he would end it? By siding with Eren she already made the choice to disobey Fritz. What lesson does Mikasa impart? She already chose to end titans, which means she already disobeyed Fritz's wish.

This gets confused by so many people and I think 139 definitely didnt help with the confusion. But here's what I believe it is:

Armin: "Why do you want to go to the outside world?"

Eren: "Because I was born into this world. From the moment we are born, we are all free. And no one, no matter how strong, can take it away from us. But, from the day I was born, they were always just there, wherever i looked. Those miserable walls. Flaming water, frozen plains, and snowfields on sand. It doesnt matter, whoever sees those things, will be the most free person in the world. This is it, this is freedom."

This is what I believe Erens true idea of what freedom truly is for seasons 1-3. Now how does season 4 tie into this idea? Well, after Eren kisses Historias hand, he sees future memories. One being his future self convincing Grisha to kill the Reiss family, and another one was "that scenery" as Eren puts it to Zeke in the paths. "That scenery", being the sights he always dreamed of seeing. Its why in season 3 at the beach, Eren's not excited like Armin and the rest are, since A, hes seen the prejudice to Eldians, and B, the outside world was not the world he dreamed of as a kid. He believed that the outside world was free by default. That there was no remains of humanity. Its why he felt disappointed. Even Armin catches a hint of this belief back when Mikasa asks why he pushed them away. I believe Armin connected the dots that Eren wanted to wipe away their enemies by using the rumbling, so that they could be free. What Armin failed to calculate, was Eren wiping away the entire world. But the reality that the world was not free, he chose to wipe it all away. He wanted to see the world flattened. However, in a vacuum, this looks like "Eren was throwing a temper tantrum like a child because his dream didnt come true." And in a way, it does. But thats a gross generalization. Its true, that the entire idea is childish. Its why in the paths, he regressed into a child to cope with the fact he caused so much suffering and death. But then why did he do anything in season 4 if he already saw the future? Well, Eren's speech to Falco in the hospital sums that up:

"But there was something pushing us all along. Causing us to step right into hell. For most of us, that something isnt of our own will. We're forced by others or by our environment. But the kind of hell seen by people who push themselves into it is something else. They also see something beyond that hell. Maybe its hope, maybe its yet another hell. I dont know which it is. The only people who do know, are the ones who keep moving forward."

Eren is the one who always pushes forward, the first to act, the one who chases the future. Which is why its tragic that he was given future memories. Hes already seen what's beyond hell, but he keeps moving forward.

And it makes sense that Eren would want to be stopped. He realized that the idea of freedom he always believed in never could become a reality. Because at the end of the day, hes still human. He cares, he loves, he feels guilt, etc. He believes he's worse than Reiner, because in his eyes, Eren believed Reiner was doing it for his mission, and to liberate his hometown. When Reiner admits to Eren that it was his fault that he breached the wall, not Marley, he says "I knew it, I really am the same as you." Both have that want, that desire of their own to fight.

I believe Erens desire for freedom, is a subconscious action. Because even in the end, he says "I dont know why, but I had to, no matter what."

Kenny's line from season 3 supports this belief. "Everyone was drunk on something to keep them going, even him." Eren was drunk on the idea of the free world he always imagined, even if he knew it would never come to fruition.

Lastly, i want to explain why the "eren was lying to himself" take is kinda wrong. While yes, he openly lied to floch, zeke, yelena, and all the yeagerists, his beliefs of why hes fighting are still there. Racism and prejudice from Marley and other nations means that people arent free. The world coming to destroy Paradise means that his home is in danger of not being free. Eldians being slaughtered, or left to die by the royal family means stripping away freedom from all Eldians.

What Eren was lying to himself about is that the idea that he can flatten the world can be achieved under the guise of "for others." It was his own selfish desire that wanted that. No one forced that upon him, even though he asked Hange to find another way. Hes tried to change the future countless times, to hopefully find a different outcome, but he always ends up where his future memories led him.

When Grisha says "Eren, you're free," he took that as "I am free to inact my will, even at the cost of everyone and everything."

I could be wrong, or i missed a few things, but putting everything together, this is what I believe Eren's character is truly about. And that makes him so much more interesting rather then "I gotta destroy the whole world to save my country."

For me it’s Niccolo, he’s one of the only badly written characters. His whole character is him being a racist who only “changes” because of the people who he was racist to was attractive and after she dies, he beats up 2 kids of the same race as her, and STILL calls her a “devil” even after Sasha dies, not to mention poisoning Falco caused Colt and Porco’s deaths.

Does Udo speak for the billions of people alive?

So the thing is my friend is on his 1st watch and is on the last 2 special eps ( final part) and he watched 40 minutes of the 1st one and the thing is that the movie last attack is releasing next week in our country on theatres . So what should be the best option here like watch it now or in the theaters cuz i am afraid he might get spoiled in the theaters but the experience of watching that ending 1st time that too in theatres would be once in a lifetime thing . Help me out guys 🙏😭

This is a real post and comment btw. My dude didn’t even get Hitler’s nationality right.

Think about it.

They keep releasing The Final Season, then The Final Chapters, then the episodic version, then the movie, then the movie again and again. Everyone jokes that Attack on Titan has had seventeen finales, but what if that is literally the point?

We are experiencing time the way Eren does.

Every release is another loop. He reaches the same ending, loses, wakes up beneath the tree and tries again. Tiny details change, scenes are extended, the framing shifts, but the outcome remains the same. Mikasa kills him. Paradis falls. The cycle continues.

The audience remembers every previous version because we are not outside the story. We are the Attack Titan, carrying memories from finales that technically no longer exist.

That is why they refuse to let the series end. The repeated “final” releases are failed timelines. Eren is still searching for the one sequence of events where he wins.

One day they will announce yet another final movie. Everyone will laugh. But this time, one scene will be different. Mikasa will make another choice. The loop will fail to close.

The ouroboros will finally break.

And that will be the real ending.

(and because they want to milk money, of course)

Let’s say this would happen between Eren‘s birth and the end of the rumbling like when he was 19. Maybe Ymir decided that this was all just too boring and cruel for her and she would decide to let go of the Titan Powers and her love for Fritz on her own. But what would happen to the characters in AOT as well as well as Marley?

Im on S3 of AOT, specifically episode 45. So far it seems Mikasa does any and everything for Eren. At first, i just thought they were really good, loyal, friends, but now im getting to the point of wondering if Shes just the biggest bird in the show. Is this going to be touched on later? I would prefer no spoilers if possible, if its plot relevant in a few episodes, then i’ll just wait

[A “bird” is referring to someone blindly following a character, not seeing their flaws, or coming back to said person even with their extreme flaws]

I know they were out of energy but itd be funny to think about Ymir just being like "yea u guys can wait i got the day off

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I honestly believe that 80% figure was due to the rumbling targeting cities on the coast and in the mainland. The world’s population in AOT probably isn’t spread out as a much as people think it is. People tend to forget that cities tend to hold most of the world’s population and center around the coast. There are also isn’t probably enough wall Titans to circle 80% of the globe. Not to mention if it was 80%, then the world would choke on dust and methane, aswell as ecosystem being thrown out of whack. Yeah, there are a few shots in the anime with the rumbling being shown in different biomes, but I don’t think that necessarily means 80% of the globe. I personally think Eren rumbled a very large chunk of Marley as well as a sizable chunk of the Middle Eastern alliance and parts of East Asia. I could see both of the America’s, Australia, Russia, and Central Asia being mostly left out of the rumbling.

And that further proves my theory that Grisha is the father of Historia's child.

I don’t get it when people say that Eren doing the rumbling came out of nowhere and that it was out of character and sudden. He’s always been “fighting for freedom” and taking down any obstacles in his path that threaten his autonomy. Just because he didn’t explicitly say at 10 “hey guys I wanna kill everyone and am 100% okay with omnicide” doesn’t mean it came out of nowhere.

His first major obstacle to freedom was the pure titans in s1. He vowed he would kill every single one and wouldn’t rest until he did. By s3, all pure titans are killed but he’s not stopping. Why? Because it was never the pure titans that he strived to destroy, it was any threat to his autonomy. To him, he literally would never be truly free as long as another wall, another boundary, or another enemy existed to limit him.

To him, the outside world was empty and ready to be conquered (the ultimate freedom). It was jarring to him to find out that not only was the outside world already inhabited but that people living there hated him and his people. Not only that, but they wanted to kill all of paradis. To him, this gave him a convenient excuse to fight back.

He eventually admitted to lying to himself about his true motivations, and the fact that he refused to stop the Rumbling even after Sasha and Hange died confirms that his friends safety was never his primary driver.

His primary driver was always his own obsession with wiping out every single obstacle to his autonomy, meaning the Rumbling was the inevitable endpoint of who he has always been.

What do you guys think?

The actual episodic versions have issues so here's an alternative.

Season 4 Episode 29: The Rumbling
"See You Later...Eren" | "Under the Tree" Intro | Chapter 131 Section | Mid-Episode Break | Chapter 132 Section | To Be Continued... | "Itterasshai" Outro

Season 4 Episode 30: Sinners
Chapter 132 Ending Recap | "Under the Tree" Intro | Chapter 133 Section | Mid-Episode Break | Chapter 134 Section | To Be Continued... | "Itterasshai" Outro

Season 4 Episode 31: The Battle of Heaven and Earth
Chapter 134 Ending Recap | "Under the Tree" Intro | Chapter 135 Section | Mid-Episode Break | Chapter 136 Section | To Be Continued... | "Itterasshai" Outro

Season 4 Episode 32: A Long Dream
Chapter 136 Ending Recap | "Under the Tree" Intro | Chapter 137 Section | Mid-Episode Break | Chapter 138 Section | To Be Continued... | "Itterasshai" Outro

Season 4 Episode 33: Toward the Tree on That Hill
Chapter 138 Ending Recap | "Under the Tree" Intro | Chapter 139 Eren Section | Mid-Episode Break | Chapter 139 Epilogue Section | "To You 2,000... or... 20,000 Years From Now..." Credits | The End
(Last Attack extra credits scene is optional)

How Future Eren controlled Dina Titan? What's the Founder's power?

How did Eren control Dina Titan? Why did Eren kill his mother Carla?

In conclusion, Eren did not intentionally control Dina Titan. He only found out later that it had already happened and admitted that he was the cause of it.

The rough explanation is that the cause is a causal loop brings about by the Founder’s power.

If we dare to focus, the activation of the Founder’s power in chapter 50 determined Dina Titan’s ignoring Bertolt in 845. This is because the only appropriate way for Eren to learn about this through his memories(ch130) is through his contact with Dina Titan at this time.

More to the point, all of these and every other event was predetermined from the beginning.

How Eren controlled Dina Titan from the futrue?

Eren doesn’t have the ability to control the Titans that exist in the past from the future at will.

If Eren is able to control the Titans across time at will without any restrictions, the story would fall apart. It would become very boring. It would also ruin the brilliant trick in episode 121.

But it isn’t. There are proper restrictions.

In medal ceremony, Eren only learned the truth after the events that transpired.

Eren’s contact with Dina Titan and activating the Founder’s power means that he has to acknowledge Carla’s death. This is because these events are determined simultaneously.

If Dina Titan eats Bertolt, she won’t be able to appear in front of Eren as a Pure Titan. Eren would, in effect, have made the choice to kill his mother in order to save Mikasa, Armin, and his friends. Obviously, he in 850 does not know this.

Eren did not intentionally control Dina Titan. It is that the influence that the Founder’s power brings about, which was activated in 850, determined that the 845 Dina Titan would ignore Bertolt.So Eren said something to the effect that he himself was responsible for the outcome. needless to say, he didn’t time travel to that day and place in 845 to command Dina titan.

What did Eren say? What does that mean?

In chapter 139, Eren said “the founder’s power has made it so that there’s no past or future… it all exists at once.” *1

“the founder’s power” is just that the power of the founding titan. It is not Ymir the founder’s power.

A more appropriate Japanese translation would be…

The influence that the founder’s power brings about have no past or future… they all exist simultaneously.

simultaneously exist is the influence that is brought about.

When Eren activates the founder’s power, it will surely affect both the past and the future.

It would brings about a causal loop. In short, the future(past) determines the past(future).

The work Attack on Titan (Shingeki no Kyojin) is built on a fixed timeline. That’s why the founder’s power is designed to take advantage of this plot.

*1. This is not to say that Eren is aware of the past and the future all at once. Indeed, since there is no time constraint in Paths, there is no need for Eren to see the various memories en masse. If he were to see memories, he would have seen each one in turn, slowly and relaxedly.

Eren’s choice to die Carla

In chapter 50, Eren recalled that Carla told him to “protect Mikasa.” Why is this flashback inserted?

To Eren, Dina Titan is not only an enemy who ate Carla. At this moment, Eren is essentially faced with a choice, both from the past and from the future. Do you accept your mother’s death?

That means accepting his mother’s death and standing up to protect Mikasa. And that would automatically mean killing his mother.

Because the influence that the founder’s power brings about have no past or future… they all exist simultaneously.

How can Eren understand that Carla’s death was caused by him?

One of the memory fragments in chapter 130 is Bertolt as seen by Dina Titan. In order for Eren to see this memory, he must be in contact with Dina Titan. This means that the Founder’s power is activated.

1. Eren’s contact with Dina Titan triggered the Founder’s power was activated.
2. It caused Eren to see the memory of Bertolt, as seen by Dina Titan
3. The content of the memory is the moment when Dina Titan ignores Bertolt

Thus, Eren understands that his contact with Dina Titan and activation of the Founder’s power caused Carla to die.

So, Eren said, the influence that the founder’s power brings about have no past or future… they all exist simultaneously.

Founder’s power examples

The phenomenon of the founder’s power generating causal loops has appeared in past episodes.

Zeke and Eren and Ymir the founder

The reason why Ymir the founder resurrected Zeke was because Zeke activated the founder’s power.

It was the founder’s power that Zeke activated that brought about the events in Grisha’s memory that occurred in chapter 121.

The distant cause of Eren’s inheritance of the Founding Titan and the Attack Titan was Zeke’s activation of the Founder’s power. And because of that, a causal loop was created.

causal loops

What the phenomenon means to the story?

At the medal ceremony, Eren learned that the Dina Titan had ignored Bertolt because of his own actions.

On the other hand, he knew that he was going to hurt Grisha, but he still had to do it.

It means that Eren has been shown painful memories from both the past and the future.

Eren pushed himself into hell. He accepted that all these events were his responsibility.

He wasn’t just working for revenge for his mother’s murder, nor was he just forced by his father to take on the power of the Titans, but everything he did was by his own choice.

There are diagrams but i have problems uploadiing it myself. i have a link where the diagrams https://mono-money.com/attack-on-titan/en/commentaries/how-eren-controlled-dina/

the diagrams are there

There’s so much potential for a more fitted prequel series of attack on titans series but there is no news of it so far