r/atlantis • u/Fun_Emu5635 • 1d ago
Cuba’s Underwater Pyramid Was Finally Re Scanned After 25 Years — The Results Are Worse Than Feared
Just sharing a video that I stumbled across.
r/atlantis • u/Illuminatus-Prime • 23d ago
NOTE: This is not part of a "disinformation campaign". It is one of many posts stating what is both known and proven about Atlantis -- a subject involving more speculation than the stock market, and more fiction than Æsop's Fables and Grimm's Fairy Tales put together.
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The story of Atlantis has fascinated people for centuries. Many books, movies, and television programs have explored the idea of a lost city that disappeared beneath the ocean. Some people believe Atlantis was a real place, while others continue searching for evidence of its existence. However, most historians and scientists agree that Atlantis is a myth simply because there is no reliable proof that it ever existed, and its story likely began as a fictional tale.
• The Story Comes from a Single Source: The ancient Greek philosopher Plato wrote about Atlantis around 360 BC in his works "Timaeus" and "Critias". According to Plato, Atlantis was a powerful island civilization that sank into the sea after a great disaster. No earlier records mention Atlantis, and no other ancient writers provided independent evidence that such a place existed. Because the story appears only in Plato's writings, many scholars believe he invented it to illustrate his own philosophical ideas.
• The Lack of Archaeological Evidence: Researchers have explored many parts of the world, including the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea, looking for traces of the (alleged) lost civilization. Despite these efforts, no ruins, artifacts, or other physical evidence have been found that prove Atlantis existed. In history, important civilizations usually leave behind clear signs of their presence. Since no such evidence has been discovered for Atlantis, the claim that it was real remains unsupported.
• The Theologic Symbolism: Many details of the Atlantis story seem more symbolic than historical. Plato described Atlantis as an advanced society that became corrupt and was punished "by the gods". This theme matches the moral lessons found in many myths and legends. Scholars often view Atlantis as a cautionary tale about pride, greed, and the misuse of power rather than a factual account of a real civilization.
: : Atlantis is widely regarded as a myth because: (1) its story comes only from Plato, (2) there is no valid archaeological evidence to support its existence, and (3) its message resembles that of a moral allegory about hubris. While the alleged mystery of Atlantis continues to capture the imagination of people around the world, all available valid evidence very strongly suggests that Atlantis is merely a fictional story rather than a real place from history.
r/atlantis • u/Illuminatus-Prime • 28d ago
Atlantis is widely regarded as a myth because its story comes only from Plato, there is no archaeological evidence to support its existence, and its message resembles that of a moral legend.
~10,000 BC: Runoff from glacial melting begins to raise sea levels over a period of hundreds of years. Villages and settlements close to the ocean shore were likely inundated and lost under hundreds of meters of sea water. The collective human memory of this event may have been the origin of "Great Flood" stories in nearly every human civilization, and may have eventually inspired the myth of Atlantis.
~9660 BC: Plato wrote in "Timeus" that the island continent of Atlantis existed about this time, "... situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles".
~6100 BC: About this time, the land area known as "Doggerland", between England and Denmark, is devastated by a sudden sea level rise due to a tsunami from the Storegga Slide. This is one of the many possible explanations for the origin of Plato's "Atlantis" myth.
~5600 BC: Approximated date of possible Black Sea inundation; this alleged event is one of the many possible explanations for the origin of Plato's "Atlantis" myth. The Mediterranean Sea, swollen by melted glaciers, breached a natural dam that separated it from the fresh water lake later known as the Black Sea. Sea water from the Mediterranean poured in for as long as 2 years.
~3200 BC: The first known Egyptian writing, in the form of hieroglyphs, appeared around this time. This early writing system was used for various inscriptions, including those found in tombs and on pottery.
~1650 to ~1625 BC: The volcano Thera (now known as Santorini) in the Aegean Sea, erupted. The explosion of Thera about this time released energy equal to 200,000 H-bombs. One of the many possible explanations for the origin of Plato's "Atlantis" myth.
~0630 BC: Birth of Solon, in Athens, Greece. Modern knowledge of Solon is limited by the fact that his works only survive in fragments and appear to feature interpolations by later authors and by the general paucity of documentary and archaeological evidence covering Athens in the early 6th century BC.
~0564 BC: A character in two of Plato's dialogues, "Timaeus" and "Critias", claims Solon visited Neith's temple at Sais about this time and received from the priests there an account of the history of Atlantis.
~0560 BC: Death of Solon, in Cyprus, Greece. The few spurious pages that have turned out to be the very words of Solon -- The Memoirs of Solon -- made no mention of Atlantis.
0427 BC: Birth of Plato, a Classical Greek philosopher, mathematician, student of Socrates, writer of philosophical dialogues, and founder of the Academy in Athens -- the first institution of higher learning in the Western world. Along with his mentor, Socrates, and his student, Aristotle, Plato helped to lay the foundations of Western philosophy and science.
0373 BC: Destruction of Helike; one of the many possible explanations for the origin of Plato's "Atlantis" myth.
~0360 BC: Plato writes "Timeus" and "Criteus", mentioning the alleged destruction of mythical Atlantis. He claimed that an Egyptian priest confided information about Atlantis to Solon, the Athenian legislator, whose memoirs Plato claimed to have read.
0347 BC: Plato (b.0427 BC), the most distinguished student of Socrates, dies at the age of 80. His real name was Aristocles. "Plato" meant "broad" and he was known to have broad shoulders. He was a prolific writer and considered by some as the most important of all Greek philosophers. His works were all in dialogue form and include: the "Apology", the "Symposium", the "Phaedo", the "Phaedrus", and the "Republic".
~0800 AD: Heracleion was submerged by the sea and sands. Heracleion, also known as Thonis, was an ancient Egyptian city near Alexandria. It was known as early as the 12th century BC but its importance grew during the waning days of the pharaohs, the late period. Herakleion was Egypt's main port in the time of the pharaohs. It was famous because it was believed that Helen of Troy and Hercules had visited the city, and that the city had even gained its name from Hercules. There was also a large temple dedicated to the Greek hero at the city center. Pharaoh Nectanebo I made many additions to the temple in the 4th century BC The city sank in the 6th or 7th century A.D., probably due to major earthquakes and floods. Some believers in the Atlantis myth have claimed that Plato actually [i]predicted[/i] this event in his books "Timeus" and "Criteus". The ruins submerged in the sea were finally located and rediscovered by the French underwater archaeologist Franck Goddio in 2000.
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Since about 800 AD, much speculation concerning the Atlantis Myth has occurred, with no valid physical evidence to 'prove' the existence of Atlantis.
r/atlantis • u/Fun_Emu5635 • 1d ago
Just sharing a video that I stumbled across.
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r/atlantis • u/Paradoxikles • 1d ago
Looking for a colleague to discuss the Atlantean confederacy as stemming from the Minoan/ Berber people of roughly 2000-1250 bc. With a capital shipping port in the Tunisian chotts, still looked over to this day by Mt Atlas. to the north. If this is your bag, hit me up.
r/atlantis • u/Secret-Sound734 • 20h ago
r/atlantis • u/Fun_Emu5635 • 1d ago
Most of you are already familiar with this site, but just wanted to post this video.
"Thonis (also known as Heracleion) was a major ancient Egyptian port city on the Mediterranean Sea, built around the 8th century BC. Located near the Canopic mouth of the Nile, the city served as the obligatory gateway for international trade and was the site where pharaohs were crowned. It slowly sank into the sea around the 2nd century BC to the 8th century AD due to severe flooding and soil liquefaction, and remained lost to myth until its 2000 discovery in Abu Qir Bay. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Discovery and Excavations
The underwater ruins of Thonis-Heracleion are located about 2.5 miles off the coast of Egypt and roughly 3.5 miles northeast of Alexandria. [1, 2, 3]
Key Findings
The sunken city has provided invaluable insights into ancient Egyptian and Mediterranean trade. Significant discoveries include: [1]
To explore more about the artifacts recovered and the ongoing underwater excavations, you can check the details on Franck Goddio's Official Site. [1]"
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r/atlantis • u/lucasawilliams • 5d ago
This is not particularly Atlantean related. However, we are told that by Diodorus that the first king of Atlantis was Uranus.
In Greek mythology Uranus is the founding god of the Titians along with Gaia.
In Plato’s account he describes Hephaestus and Earth as seeding Greece and Egypt, then this becoming Hephaestus and Athena. These gods are a mistranslation of Uranus and Gaia.
Uranus represents the Natufian people, innovators in arrowhead technology and hut construction, and possibly the inventors of the dugout canoe, we can’t know. The people of Gaia were the more Eastern influenced, Mesopotamian people who established the Tas Tepeler by adopting Natufian (Uranian) methods and traditions. Essentially the two came together in union.
Iran gets its name from Aryan, a word of unknown origin which came to mean “free” or “noble”. In Hindu there is a word with a shared root ‘ārya’.
Kronos followed Uranus and by all accounts was a tyrannical leader, enslaving a large number of people, it can’t be known exactly how but perhaps this could have involved forced agriculture adoption and the paying of a land tax like later feudalism. In the biblical accounts Adam and Eve are made to till the land by the arriving Elohim.
Many peoples from Mesopotamia moved down into Iran at this time ~7000 BC, the expulsion from Eden, and others on to India. It’s easy to imagine how Uranus may have been pronounced Aryanus and how these people could have named themselves Aryans. It then makes sense for the word to then mean “free” as they are free from Kronos.
Plato describes the race of Poseidon Oceanus as a most noble race, Oceanus is the first Titan of Uranus and therefore again it’s easy to see why Aryan would be also mean “noble”.
The current explanation for the word Aryan is exactly the same as the explanation for the distribute of Indo-European mythology, that it all came from and was distributed by the Yamnaya steppe herders, being the most recent group to migrate to these regions, but the mythology origin has been somewhat proven to predate the Yamnaya now and there’s no evidence to justify a Yamnaya origin, they left no writing.
I propose instead that the word Aryan / Iranian came from the Natufian Uranians as they spread easterly. These Uranians being the race that leads to Oceanus and then Atlantis.
r/atlantis • u/imgilwhoareyou • 5d ago
r/atlantis • u/scientium • 8d ago
In 2021, I wrote a lenghty review of professor Maennlein-Robert's dissertation about Longinus. Ca. 10% of this book is about Plato's Atlantis and what Longinus thought about it. IMHO, Maennlein-Robert and most other scholars are wrong and Longinus did not consider Plato's Atlantis an invention, to the contrary.
Now I translated this review into English. Enjoy the intellectual ride on Atlantis-Scout!
https://www.atlantis-scout.de/atlantis-maennlein-robert-longinus.htm
Ὠριγένης δὲ πεπλάσθαι μὲν ἔλεγε τὸ διήγημα
καὶ τοσοῦτόν γε συνεχώρει τοῖς ἀμφὶ τὸν Νουμήνιον,
οὐ δι᾽ ἡδονὴν δὲ πεπλάσθαι μεμηχανημένην
κατὰ τὸν Λογγῖνον·
αἰτίαν δὲ οὐ προσετίθει τοῦ πλάσματος.
r/atlantis • u/lucasawilliams • 10d ago
This is the YouTube video DamiLee: "We Cut Atlantis in Half — Here's the Problem."
It has over half a million views in four days which is pretty good, and in general the professionalism of so much YouTube content is so high now, they've made an 3D AI enhanced model of Atlantis which looks amazing.

This is quite nice because they've actually shown the land outside the rings as the inhabited city zone with little houses. However, the walls are shown inside the rings whereas they should be outside them. This is given:
"The island .. and the rings, and the bridge (being a plethrum in width), they surrounded on both sides with (a) stone wall(s), placing towers and gates upon the bridges at each of the passages of the sea.”
"..wall around the outermost ring they covered the whole circuit with bronze, as if applying an ointment"
"(a) stone wall(s)" should be interpreted as plural, "stone walls", for this to makes sense with the colours of three walls described later. So all the walls outside the final harbour, not just the brass (should be bronze) one.
From this statement, this outer "bronze" wall should be the wall around the full 50 stadia outer ring of the habitable zone.
This one:


Their modelled houses and trees and about 10x too big.

The houses in this view look about 20x too big. The massive projection out of the water I'm sure is for effect but this is also very confusing, thats about a 50m rise they'll showing there.

This is very cool. It's cool that they perfectly modelled a trireme, but I don't think the boats at this time were really triremes, also why it needs to go through a tunnel I don't follow, to me it reads as if the the bridges were only local to the gate-towers and there were bridges to the harbours at points not that the bridges were the tops of an elaborate tunnel system.

The presenter really insists that there was said to be a "second canal", but this is not stated. The reason they think this (I think) is due to the earlier problems with the walls, they read this passage:
"The island .. and the rings, and the bridge (being a plethrum in width), they surrounded on both sides with (a) stone wall(s), placing towers and gates upon the bridges at each of the passages of the sea.”
as singular the for "wall(s)", therefore they suddenly need to invent more than one passage passing through a single wall, rather than a single passage passing through multiple walls. If there were two canals Plato would have surely said two canals and he says one.

Interesting info about saltwater and freshwater here, but then they stopped making any sense and and started describing the Atlanteans as pumping freshwater out of the ground thereby using up their reserves. This isn't in Plato, there are no water pumps, he says there were pre-existing hot and cold springs which they used. They would have no need to accelerate water extraction when have abundant springs.
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I wish people who can create these graphics would really just do it accuracy, that seems to be what they set out to dop but somewhere along the line they didn't quite stick to it. I'd like them to because it's truly impressive an it would be amazing to see it modelled accurately.
r/atlantis • u/AncientBasque • 10d ago
great look at another ancient work with echos of atlantis.
r/atlantis • u/lucasawilliams • 10d ago
A while ago I made two posts stating why it makes sense to assume the Atlantis' founding god, said to be Poseidon, should have instead been translated as Oceanus.
Extending this logic, I think it can be rightly argued that Athena and Hephaestus should have instead been translated to Gia and Uranus.
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Firstly, on the general reasoning for why there are these mistranslations.
Plato tells us that the Egyptians translated the account into their language and then Solon translated the Egyptian account into Greek, and therefore Plato tells us that all names in the account are Greek translations to match attributes the gods described.
This is the passage:
Critias: "Solon, when he intended to make use of the story in his own poetry, investigated the meaning of the names and discovered that the Egyptians who first recorded them had translated them into their own language; and he himself, in turn, taking up the sense of each name, wrote them down again in our own language."
Therefore, these selected gods are not certain and only point to attributes of the gods in the Egyptian account.
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On the reason for Oceanus rather than Poseidon again.
I give longer winded reasoning in my linked posts 1 2 but essentially it boils down to:
It's understandable why Solon selected Poseidon for the translation given that they are both sea gods, but it was also rather naive of him to select the clearly more recent god for a very old setting.
Solon's poetry all focuses on Olympian gods, so he may also simply have been primed to think in these Olympian god terms.
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Why Athena and Hephaestus should actually be Gia and Uranus
The passages of the account concerning Athena and Hephaestus are as follows:
Timaeus [23d-e]
"The priest then said: ‘There is no reluctance, Solon, but for your sake and for that of your city I will speak, and especially for the sake of the goddess, who has received, nurtured, and educated both your land and this one—yours first a thousand years earlier, having received your seed from Earth and Hephaestus, and this one later."
[24b]
".. their armament with shields and spears, with which we were the first among those in Asia to be equipped, the goddess having first revealed it among you in those regions."
[24c-d]
".. the goddess established for you first and settled you there, having chosen the place in which you were born, observing that the tempering of the seasons in it would produce men of the greatest intelligence. And since the goddess was both warlike and a lover of wisdom, choosing the place most likely to produce men most akin to herself, she first settled it.
Critias [109b-c]
".. the gods once apportioned the whole earth among themselves according to regions .. they reared us as their own possessions and creatures .. by laying hold of the soul through persuasion .."
[109c-d]
".. Hephaestus and Athena, having a common nature, both as siblings from the same father and as sharing in philosophy and craftsmanship toward the same ends, thus received this land as a single allotment, as their own and suited to virtue and wisdom by its nature; and having produced good men, born of the soil, they set in their minds the ordering of the constitution."
[110b]
".. according to that ancient law the goddess was depicted armed .."
[112b]
".. the warrior class itself, dwelling around the sanctuary of Athena and Hephaestus, as though they were surrounding the garden of a single house with one enclosing wall."
Analysis
The very first mention of the founding gods of Greece and Egypt Plato literally says "received your seed from Earth and Hephaestus" Earth is written as Γῆς, a capitalised form of the word 'earth' indicates Gia. So he literally says Gia and Hephaestus in this line.
Plato then returns to these founding god with an anomalous "the goddess": "the goddess having first revealed it among you .." , "the goddess established for you first ..".
Plato then discusses the world being appointed to regions of different gods, perhaps as a means to narrate a transition from Gia to Athena as this goddess character.
He then says "Hephaestus and Athena .. received this land as a single allotment..". It is strange that there was a pair Earth and Hephaestus and now a pair Hephaestus and Athena. He also describes Athena as said to be armed, but before this it was the anomalous "goddess" who is described as arming the Greeks with shields and spears, we have to presume this character is 'Earth' (Gia), not Athena who is arming them.
On Hephaestus. Hephaestus is another Olympian god whereas the true consort to Gia is Uranus. It is Uranus who seeds the later gods, not Hephaestus.
Why would Hephaestus have then been chosen?
Assumably the god in the original Egyptian account was said to be a craftsman figure. Was Uranus said to be a craftsman? Not in the Greek accounts we have, but in the Phoenician account of Sanchuniathon there are interesting lines that might shed light on this craftsman-Uranus link.
Sanchuniathon describes an early figure called Chrysor who he equates with Hephaestus and Zeus-Meilichios. Again, this may not literally be the Olympian Hephaestus but rather a description of a similar 'craftsman' figure.
More interestingly he goes on to say:
"Afterwards there sprang from their [Chrysor's] race two youths, one of whom was called Technites (Artificer), and the other Geinos Autochthon (Earth-born Aboriginal)."
Could this "Geinos" figure be linked to Gia? I think so, and her counterpart is called the "Technites" which fits the Hephaestus role.
A bit later he says:
"And from them [the people of this region] is born Epigeius or Autochthon, whom they afterwards called Uranus .. And he has a sister born of the aforesaid parents, who was called Ge (earth) .. And Uranus, having succeeded to his father's rule, takes to himself in marriage his sister Ge, and gets by her four sons, Elus who is also Kronos, and Baetylus, and Dagon who is Siton, and Atlas."
Here he is explicitly regarding Ge (Gia) and Uranus. It reads as if these figures are born out of the previous Geinos and Technites figures. If this is correct, then Ge must be born from Geinos and that leaves Uranus to be born out of the Technites (the craftsmen) and therefore, for this reason, it makes sense that he could have been conflated with Hephaestus.
lastly:
"Ge was angry, and from jealousy began to reproach Uranus, so that they even separated from each other. But Uranus, after he had left her, used to come upon her with violence, whenever he chose, and consort with her, and go away again; he used to try also to destroy his children by her; but Ge repelled him many times, having gathered to herself allies."
Here we see that Ge can also be a warrior figure, just as the anomalous
Diodorus Siculus describes the first king of the Atlantians as being Uranus in this passage:
"Their first king was Uranus, and he gathered the human beings, who dwelt in scattered habitations, within the shelter of a walled city and caused his subjects to cease from their lawless ways and their bestial manner of living, discovering for them the uses of cultivated fruits, how to store them up, and not a few other things which are of benefit to man; and he also subdued the larger part of the inhabited earth, in particular the regions to the west and the north."
Then describes how Titaea is the same person as Ge (Gia) here:
"To Uranus, the myth continues, were born forty-five sons from a number of wives, and, of these, eighteen, it is said, were by Titaea, each of them bearing a distinct name, but all of them as a group were called, after their mother, Titans. Titaea, because she was prudent and had brought about many good deeds for the peoples, was deified after her death by those whom she had helped and her name was changed to Ge."
Again with have a description of Uranus and Ge (Gia) as founding the Atlantians.
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In summary
In all three accounts, Plato, Sanchuniathon and Diodorus, there are two male and female figures that first initiate the organisation of the first people, people who the birth the Atlanteans, or, in Sanchuniathon, the god Atlas.
In both Sanchuniathon and Diodorus these two figures are Uranus and Gia.
In Sanchuniathon Uranus is linked to the Technites (craftsmen) and Ge (Gia) has warrior qualities.
It is only in Plato's account that these two figures are named as Hephaestus and Athena. Hephaestus links to the craftsman attribute of Uranus as described by Sanchuniathon and Athena links to warrior quality of Ge (Gia) as described by Sanchuniathon.
Therefore, just as with Oceanus being conflated with the Olympian Poseidon it seems that Solon mistakenly has conflated Uranus and Gia with Athena and Hephaestus.
r/atlantis • u/AncientBasque • 13d ago
As mentioned on previous post about revelation 18 and its parallels to plato's Atlantis i have worked with the LLM (Demon) to produce a Conclusion to the Critias by Utilizing revelations to describe Zeus's speech missing. In this case ZEuS and the (Elohim) of the flood are the same council.
"Every city is founded twice: first in stone, and first also in the soul." quote LLM moral Lesson. i know AI has no value to many people, but in this case it has help to provide a comparison that would have taken me much more time. Please enjoy or grind your teeth.
The Lost Ending of Critias
...And when Zeus, who governs according to reason and whose judgments preserve the harmony of the cosmos, beheld that the divine portion within the descendants of Poseidon had grown faint beneath the increasing weight of mortal desire, he summoned all the immortal gods to the most sacred place at the center of heaven, from which every part of the world may be surveyed. There, when all had assembled in silence, Zeus arose.
"My fellow guardians of the eternal order, no city has received greater favor than Atlantis.
When the Earth was first divided among us, Poseidon accepted an island that was neither the largest nor the richest. Yet through diligence and divine wisdom he transformed it into a marvel among nations. He restrained the waters with rings of land and sea; he established ports where strangers might meet in peace; he filled the plains with abundance and taught his children that prosperity was to be governed by moderation.
For many generations they remembered these gifts.
They judged disputes without greed.
They w
elcomed foreigners without fear.
They gathered wealth without becoming its servants.
Power remained obedient to law because law remained obedient to reason.
Yet no blessing endures where memory fails.
The divine inheritance that once governed their souls has become diluted by continual preference for mortal ambition. Their rulers no longer ask, 'What is just?' but rather, 'What is profitable?' They measure excellence by possession rather than by virtue.
Observe their temples.
They are larger than before.
Their offerings are richer than before.
Their festivals are more magnificent.
Yet reverence has diminished even while ceremony has increased.
The stone has grown more splendid while the soul has become poorer.
Such worship honors appearance rather than truth."
The assembly remained silent.
Zeus continued.
"Look also upon their commerce.
The sea, which was given to unite distant peoples, has become the instrument through which every nation seeks luxury beyond necessity.
Their ships no longer carry merely grain, timber, and tools useful for life.
They carry ornaments whose purpose is vanity.
They transport treasures whose only measure is envy.
Kings compete to imitate Atlantis rather than to surpass her in justice.
Merchants praise gain while remaining indifferent to its cost.
Even philosophers have begun to flatter princes instead of correcting them.
Thus corruption spreads more swiftly than fleets.
The greatest empire becomes the greatest teacher.
If it teaches moderation, the nations prosper.
If it teaches excess, the nations imitate destruction."
Hermes inclined his head.
Athena regarded Zeus with thoughtful attention.
Apollo remained silent.
Then Zeus spoke again.
"Many suppose that cities perish because enemies become stronger.
This is seldom true.
A city first conquers itself.
Only afterward do its enemies discover that victory has already been achieved.
No wall falls before the foundations weaken.
No kingdom sinks before justice departs.
The destruction visible to men is merely the final appearance of an earlier and invisible decay."
Poseidon lowered his gaze toward the island that still bore his name.
His grief was not anger.
It resembled the sorrow of a father who recognizes his own children yet can no longer recognize their character.
Then Poseidon rose.
"Father Zeus, every word you have spoken is true.
When first I established Atlantis, I desired that mankind might witness how divine order could dwell among mortals.
For many generations they reflected that image.
Yet I cannot deny what now appears before us.
The rings I formed to preserve harmony have become circles of pride.
The harbors that welcomed every nation have become gates through which ambition enters.
The abundance I bestowed has become an excuse for indulgence.
What remains is the shell of what once possessed life."
Zeus answered gently.
"No judgment diminishes the goodness of your gifts.
Only those who misuse them bring judgment upon themselves.
The sun remains blameless when a man closes his eyes."
At these words Athena arose.
"The education of a city determines its destiny.
When children admire wealth more than wisdom, decline begins before they become rulers.
The laws remain written.
The magistrates remain appointed.
The assemblies still gather.
Yet the city has already changed because its soul has changed."
Apollo then added,
"Music likewise has altered among them.
Once it elevated the mind toward harmony.
Now it inflames appetite.
Art no longer imitates eternal beauty.
It imitates desire.
When beauty forgets truth, it becomes ornament alone."
Hermes spoke.
"Their speech has changed also.
Contracts multiply while trust diminishes.
Oaths become more numerous because honesty has become less common.
The marketplace grows louder as justice grows quieter."
Then Zeus extended his hand toward the western sea.
The heavens became clear.
The gods beheld Atlantis as mortals could never see her.
Great fleets filled her harbors.
Markets overflowed with every treasure.
Foreign ambassadors crowded her courts.
Temples glittered with polished metals.
Citizens celebrated festivals that continued from dawn until night.
Every appearance suggested invincibility.
Yet beneath the foundations faint fractures spread through the earth.
No citizen perceived them.
No merchant feared them.
No king believed they existed.
Only the gods understood that the visible glory already rested upon invisible ruin.
Zeus declared,
"The universe itself instructs mankind.
Nothing without measure can endure.
Every excess contains the principle of its own correction.
Therefore let the earth recover what pride has claimed as permanent.
Let the sea reclaim what injustice has raised.
Let future generations remember not merely the greatness of Atlantis but the cause of its fall."
Then the immortal assembly consented.
Not one voice opposed the decree.
For each recognized that justice preserves creation more faithfully than indulgence.
There followed a stillness unlike any before.
The winds ceased.
Birds abandoned the air.
The sea became smooth as polished bronze.
For a brief moment nature itself appeared to wait.
Then, from the deepest foundations beneath the island, the earth uttered a sound no living creature had heard.
The mountains trembled.
The rings of land separated.
The harbors rose and broke apart.
Columns collapsed into the waters they once restrained.
The great bridges disappeared beneath waves that rushed inward from every side.
The proud fleets, built through generations of labor, became fragments carried upon the sea.
Temples sank.
Palaces vanished.
The plain itself descended until the ocean closed above it.
When the sun rose again, only water remained where the greatest kingdom of the western sea had stood.
The currents concealed every trace.
The mariners who later crossed those waters spoke only of strange shoals and impassable seas.
Generations passed.
Some declared the island had never existed.
Others preserved only dim recollections.
But among the Egyptians, whose priests honored memory as faithfully as the Greeks honored inquiry, the account remained until Solon heard it and entrusted it to those who loved wisdom above disbelief.
Thus Critias concluded:
"The lesson, Socrates, concerns not Atlantis alone. Every city is founded twice: first in stone, and first also in the soul. The ruin of the soul always precedes the ruin of the walls. Therefore, if we seek to preserve our own city, let us attend not merely to its harbors, its armies, or its wealth, but to the justice by which these things are governed. For no nation, however prosperous, escapes the law that what abandons virtue cannot long preserve greatness."
note this also applies to the modern states of the world and its many cities.
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r/atlantis • u/wigwam2323 • 15d ago
Happy to answer any questions. For those of you familiar with Randall Carlson, he has been my inspiration for this and now a great friend for several years.
For those of you familiar with Mathew Chinn (Apocalypse on YT) he is still working on his ideas, albeit at a diminished capacity due to recent health issues.
r/atlantis • u/Lirysneth • 16d ago
Espero que os guste mi Fanart de Kida! Lo he hecho con mucho cariño❤️! Mi Instagram es https://www.instagram.com/lyafrey?igsh=MTJzdms5ZngzYXJwZQ==
r/atlantis • u/Frequent_Echo2694 • 16d ago
Made a documentary breaking down all the real scientific evidence for Atlantis — the buried concentric ring structure found in southern Spain, the geometric ruins discovered 650 meters below the ocean off Cuba, and Doggerland, an entire civilization the size of Great Britain swallowed by a tsunami in a single day.
Plato gave a date of 9,600 BC. It lines up almost exactly with the end of the last Ice Age when sea levels rose 400 feet. That's not a coincidence.
Would love to hear what this community thinks. Is this Atlantis or just coincidence?
[link to video]
r/atlantis • u/Ok-Simple8308 • 17d ago
A Bronze Age superpower.
https://www.amazon.com/Atlantis-Cypriot-Empire-Jordi-Harth/dp/9925813107
r/atlantis • u/AncientBasque • 20d ago
Revelation Chapter 18 - "Babylon the Great" (Atlantis, Babylon, Egypt, Rome, Europe, America)
"And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
10 standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
12 the merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
13 and cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. 14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
16 and saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
18 and cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23 and the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation%2018&version=AKJV
A discussion in the comments regarding this chapters parallels to Atlantis. I will use this chapter to complete Critias with LLM in future post, you are warned.