r/leagueoflegends • u/Yujin-Ha 그 누구도 예상 못할 19's kitsch • Jun 06 '26
Esports Team Liquid Alienware vs. FlyQuest / LCS 2026 Spring Playoffs - Lower Bracket Round 2 / Post-Match Discussion Spoiler
LCS 2026 SPRING PLAYOFFS
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FlyQuest 1-3 Team Liquid Alienware
- Player of the Series: Quid
- Team Liquid Alienware will face the loser of the LYON vs. Cloud9 KIA match. FlyQuest has been eliminated.
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MATCH 1: FLY vs. TLAW
Winner: Team Liquid Alienware in 41m | Runes
Game Breakdown | Player of the Game: CoreJJ
| - | Bans 1 | Bans 2 | G | K | T | D/B |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| FLY | ornn varus seraphine | yorick wukong | 75.5k | 11 | 5 | CT1 H2 I4 |
| TLAW | ambessa karma rumble | caitlyn senna | 82.8k | 21 | 11 | M3 B5 I6 B7 I8 I9 B10 |
| FLY | 11-21-29 | vs | 21-11-68 | TLAW |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Gakgos jayce 2 | 1-6-5 | TOP | 1-2-13 | 3 sion Morgan |
| Gryffinn nocturne 1 | 5-4-3 | JNG | 7-0-14 | 3 jarvaniv Josedeodo |
| Quad cassiopeia 1 | 1-3-8 | MID | 4-5-15 | 1 orianna Quid |
| Massu ezreal 4 | 3-3-4 | BOT | 8-3-7 | 2 xayah Yeon |
| Cryogen neeko 3 | 1-5-9 | SUP | 1-1-19 | 2 rakan CoreJJ |
MATCH 2: TLAW vs. FLY
Winner: FlyQuest in 26m | Runes
Game Breakdown | Player of the Game: Gakgos
| - | Bans 1 | Bans 2 | G | K | T | D/B |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| TLAW | varus ambessa rumble | shen nasus | 42.6k | 4 | 2 | None |
| FLY | leesin yone ornn | bard vayne | 57.7k | 18 | 10 | I1 HT2 H3 M4 B5 M6 |
| TLAW | 3-18-11 | vs | 18-4-50 | FLY |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Morgan sylas 4 | 3-3-0 | TOP | 8-1-6 | 3 gnar Gakgos |
| Josedeodo vi 2 | 0-4-3 | JNG | 2-1-7 | 3 shyvana Gryffinn |
| Quid ahri 1 | 0-3-3 | MID | 4-0-11 | 1 ryze Quad |
| Yeon jhin 1 | 0-4-2 | BOT | 4-0-13 | 2 senna Massu |
| CoreJJ rell 3 | 0-4-3 | SUP | 0-2-13 | 2 nautilus Cryogen |
MATCH 3: FLY vs. TLAW
Winner: Team Liquid Alienware in 28m | Runes
Game Breakdown | Player of the Game: Quid
| - | Bans 1 | Bans 2 | G | K | T | D/B |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| FLY | leesin varus ornn | yorick pantheon | 47.6k | 6 | 4 | H2 |
| TLAW | nasus ambessa twistedfate | shen galio | 57.0k | 14 | 10 | CT1 I3 M4 B5 M6 |
| FLY | 6-14-17 | vs | 14-6-30 | TLAW |
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| Gakgos vayne 4 | 2-2-2 | TOP | 1-5-3 | 3 ksante Morgan |
| Gryffinn rumble 1 | 3-3-2 | JNG | 3-0-7 | 3 wukong Josedeodo |
| Quad annie 3 | 1-3-4 | MID | 5-0-3 | 1 akali Quid |
| Massu sivir 2 | 0-3-4 | BOT | 4-1-6 | 2 caitlyn Yeon |
| Cryogen karma 1 | 0-3-5 | SUP | 1-0-11 | 2 bard CoreJJ |
MATCH 4: TLAW vs. FLY
Winner: Team Liquid Alienware in 32m | Runes
Game Breakdown | Player of the Game: Quid
| - | Bans 1 | Bans 2 | G | K | T | D/B |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| TLAW | ambessa nasus varus | shen drmundo | 62.2k | 10 | 8 | H3 O6 O7 B8 |
| FLY | leesin yone seraphine | anivia aurora | 56.9k | 5 | 4 | HT1 I2 O4 B5 |
| TLAW | 10-5-31 | vs | 5-10-12 | FLY |
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| Morgan ornn 4 | 3-1-5 | TOP | 2-3-2 | 3 renekton Gakgos |
| Josedeodo naafiri 2 | 0-0-10 | JNG | 0-1-3 | 3 xinzhao Gryffinn |
| Quid viktor 3 | 4-0-4 | MID | 1-3-3 | 1 twistedfate Quad |
| Yeon lucian 1 | 3-3-4 | BOT | 2-1-1 | 2 kogmaw Massu |
| CoreJJ milio 1 | 0-1-8 | SUP | 0-2-3 | 2 lulu Cryogen |
*Patch 26.11
This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.
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u/kolton276 #1 MAD Hater Jun 06 '26
This is the Quid we were promised
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u/MissionTable Jun 06 '26
Quid finally realizing "oh shit I can be a main character too"
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u/Lynx_Fate Jun 06 '26
He's not wrong, but it's hilarious that he basically said I need to carry and trust my teammates less.
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u/LearningLaCampanella Jun 06 '26
Akali becomes a must-ban against him, right? Or at least high in consideration?
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u/kazuyaminegishi Jun 06 '26
It already was before playoffs. Teams just randomly decided it wasn't good anymore.
Jatt has been glazing it all split saying teams were calling it unbeatable.
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u/dementedgamer44 Jun 06 '26
Maybe mindset diff from just doing his part 'cause he thought his team would do the rest to intending to carry.
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u/gigeconomyin2019lul Jun 06 '26
That last Ornn ult was filthy.
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u/nguyenjitsu Jun 06 '26
Kogmaw into Ornn feels really troll ngl. Morgan just had to keep forcing ult onto Kog or Lulu and there was no way to deal with it besides blowing sums
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u/spazzxxcc12 Jun 06 '26
who was the big g though
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u/bongodongowongo Jun 06 '26
How is this Viktor out damaging all of Fly lol
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u/Cybonics ‿ Jun 06 '26
DFT unleashed Viktor's full AP builds lol
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u/Th3_Huf0n Jun 07 '26
Turns out, mages don't actually have to go "Seraphs Liandrys Mercs".
And can instead go "BFT Shadowflame Sorcs" and do big duppus.
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u/IlluminatiConfirmed Jun 07 '26
If there were any legitimate dive threats on FLY comp he would have to go Roa or protobelt or zhonya or something
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u/polikuji09 Jun 06 '26
No frontline in FQ to zone Viktor or do any zoning so anyone it touches is getting melted. FQ drafts here were dogwater
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u/Formymoney Jun 06 '26
seems like tanks are pretty good maybe we should put our toplaner on them flyquest?
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u/KansloosKippenhok Loki > Chovy Jun 07 '26
I mean gakgos wr on carries vs tanks is day and night, easy to say in hindsight he shouldve played tanks but if he played tanks and lost everyone would’ve said: ‘you were winning on carries why switch to tanks now’
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u/Bisbeedo Jun 06 '26
man i know gakgos likes to play carries, but Fly drafted no engage in all 3 of their losses. TL had total control of when fights started
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u/Th3_Huf0n Jun 07 '26
This is kind of the end result of teams going down tierlist picks.
If FLY thinks "toplane carries = good" and "enchanters = OP", then the end result is VERY low engage comps.
KC are pretty much the same team but they have (sometimes) enough hands to make it work.
And by "make it work", I mean "Yike is actually a fucking god carrying peons playing solo engage Vi with a comp that gets outranged and can't really force fights"
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u/nguyenjitsu Jun 06 '26
The Korean solo laners that were promised
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u/Mew_T Caps Lovewatcher Jun 06 '26
The LCS KC. I would say they're the NA KC, but both teams only have 1 NA player.
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u/Chrystoler the faith lives on Jun 07 '26
We've used TLCK before, although with TLAW it doesn't work too work too well
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u/LOR_Fei Jun 06 '26
My only real concern is that FLY didn’t think they cooked too hard when their game 3 draft was rumble tibbers frontline
Also Massu bro you can’t stand in Viktor range as Kog. Why take it in the first place if you’re just going to be in range of spells you should have to see Viktor flash to hit. That kog looked unpracticed.
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u/kazuyaminegishi Jun 06 '26
The coach saying "It would be fine if we got objective prio" okay yeah... and last week we saw TL think the same thing, except with no engage you can't walk in in the first place. So you never get said prio.
It's such a stupid mistake to make, if your comp only works under the condition the enemy team can't acknowledge that you are unable to initiate anything which just doesn't happen in modern league.
That's gotta be one of those things you should be able to feel just playing it in scrims, I don't get how they didn't realize this.
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u/LOR_Fei Jun 07 '26
If they had Maokai jungle that game instead of messing with Rumble it would’ve been so free too. First pick Akali hates the CC tank that can wide ult through shroud.
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u/scalarH Jun 06 '26
man really rough series from gakgos
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u/HThrowaway457 Jun 06 '26
Juggernauts are just terrible against good players, certainly as blind picks they're completely unplayable.
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u/John_Jack_Reed Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26
Garen would have been insane over Vayne in game 3 very playable into Ksante, and with Karma Sivir speed for teamfights
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u/Fun_Highlight307 Jun 07 '26
Dholka and bwipo will definetely have picks the garen or sett in this situation
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u/Sumicc Jun 06 '26
I disagree,
Any time that Bwipo played one of those juggernaut champs was when he had counterpick. Blinding stuff like Sett, Urgot, Singed, and Morde is completely griefing.
Additionally, this was all before the Vayne, Gnar, Anivia, and occasionally Varus top meta we have now. All of those juggernauts I mentioned earlier get eaten alive by ranged tops.
Yorick is a decent counterpick only champ so that's a fair option. We will also have to see how the Aatrox buffs affect him because he was an okay blind before but fell out of favor due to the rise of certain picks.
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u/HThrowaway457 Jun 06 '26
Aatrox isn't a juggernaut, he has free access to a wall-scaling dash. Bwipo only picked those champions in specific spots for a good reason. Outside of like 1 or 2 patches where yorick was OP or years ago when Sett was THE 3 way flex meta you simply aren't blinding these champs, nor picking them in general earlier than R3 with 2 cover bans.
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u/DoorHingesKill Jun 07 '26
I mean, Riot hasn't updated their revised class system (the one that created the juggernaut category) since like 2017, before Aatrox was reworked. Which means the biggest "authority" on classes currently is whoever edits the wiki, and they list Aatrox as a juggernaut.
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u/DickCheneyIsPureEvil Jun 06 '26
Prayers for Gryffin man, tests positive for gonorrhea and loses to Team Liquid in the same week.
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u/TypicalHaikuResponse Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
Ornn is an amazing champion. I lose lane usually yet it has helped me from being a hardstuck LCK 8th place to LCS 3rd and climbing in a month with 60+% win rate
All I need to do is be in team fights and knock up and waste peoples time and give my team free stats, it’s so troll lol
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u/Gerberpertern TL ★ APA Jun 06 '26
Quid looked good again this week, props to him. I’m just gonna pretend game 2 didn’t happen lol.
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u/lovo17 Jun 06 '26
FLY has talented players but they have no understanding how to actually play outside of going in and engaging. In this game, they needed to invite TL's engages and let them use up their spells while kiting back and turning the fight around with Kog. Instead you see Xin just forcing a fight thinking the game is getting out of hand. Like imagine if they just let Ornn ult and use Xin to block it? They should've picked the Ornn themselves too instead of blinding Renekton.
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u/SneakyStorm Jun 06 '26
Gotta think they should just draft what they are good at, and not try to draft what they aren’t fully comfortable on in a do or die game.
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u/Jollybuyo Jun 06 '26
I put this on the coaches. The players, given their drafts, had to execute plays toward their win-conditions to win, just like in any game of league. The problem is, if you look at the team composition in each of these lost games for Flyquest, is that they intentionally made THEIR win-con extremely difficult while giving Team Liquid EXTREMELY easy win-conditions. Each of those drafts had no actual way for FLY to win straight up 5v5s. Look at each comp and imagine the possible ways that FLY could win an even 5v5. Outside of egregious missplays from TL, there are just no ins. And it's not player skill or decision-making that lost them these games, it was the fact that in each and every one of those games, Team Liquid's win-con was do nothing until an objective fight, 5v5 and win. It was literally THAT simple for them, meanwhile for FLY to win those games they wouldve had to stomp and steamroll so early on, which was just not possible as we saw. And even if they DID get ahead early, the comp was so bad that TL likely wouldve won every teamfight from behind anyway. Get these kids better coaches man
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u/MissionTable Jun 06 '26
Finally a good series from TL, love to see to it. They had a couple hiccups but im just glad to see this team flowing. That being said I'm sad to see Fly go, I love their energy and willingness to pick weird stuff but it kinda goes to show that they can easily overcook and end up in weak drafts.
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u/LumiRhino Jun 06 '26
Oh well maybe FLY will get them in summer, but TL woke up when they needed to.
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u/cadaada rip original flair Jun 06 '26
Do coaches when reviewing vods look at what renekton does in mid to late game teamfights?
90% of the time he presses R, then either cant get in and leaves or just dies, the other 10% he flashes in, press W then dies.
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u/mavy1000 Jun 06 '26
Eh I think it depends on who is on Renekton. I think Thanatos has actually done a lot on Renekton
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u/Thundermelons Just Dating GALA Jun 06 '26
Renekton is hugely reliant on flanks. We've absolutely seen game-deciding flanks on carries from Renekton players before. Just because a player CAN'T or DIDN'T execute it during a game doesn't mean the champ is worthless.
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u/Flesroy Jun 07 '26
but it does mean you might want to reconsider putting your playoff chances on a rookie renekton.
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u/cadaada rip original flair Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26
Depends too much, theres a reason hes on a 38% winrate in NA this split, and 37% the last one lol
In lec with its high winrate, even when its a good team vs a weak one it barely has anything to show. We can watch kc vs fnatic, canna has two good plays, one at 20 min in baron and other when he gets half of akali hp. Then the rest of the entire game he does nothing
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u/Lazywhale97 HLE Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
His early game is also countered pretty easily by a vayne or jayce if he isn’t last pick as well lmao. The meta this split has shown teams are willing to pick ranged bullies now and not shy away from it.
Genuinely 9/10 times prefer the other teams draft if renektok is picked, sometimes I feel like pro teams value early laning a bit too much with picks like renekton.
He’s great in solo q due to how uncoordinated it is so he can snowball hisbearly lead or get free access to ADC but in pro play I rarely see a renekton have much use mid-late.
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u/Sumicc Jun 06 '26
Agreed, he gets neutralized way too easily and if the opposing team's lategame carry champion is even slightly accelerated, he perma dies off cooldown. I feel like if you're going a carry style bruiser top, I'd rather have one with a little better lategame insurance or if you want a neutralizer, just go a tank.
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u/Lazywhale97 HLE Jun 06 '26
Yup I’ve rarely seen a renektok gain an insurmountable lead early to really say “renekton was a great kick”
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u/Sumicc Jun 06 '26
Also it's like, if you're drafting a protect the president comp with Kog and Xin, Tf, and Lulu to setup and peel for it, SURELY you'd rather have a tank.
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u/HomelessKB Jun 06 '26
It's because it's not about him building a huge lead. He's a very safe pick. That's it. He has a very general purpose kit, has good power spikes, and isn't reliant on being THE carry. If he happens to get a lead, he can steamroll some matchups or just be a constant threat in the side lanes that can't really be ignored.
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u/bbzef Jun 06 '26
that's what happens when you build for early mid game and don't get a 5k+ lead. no idea why they refuse to pick up defensive items past 20 mins
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u/Due-Mountain-8716 Jun 06 '26
Please, renekton?? They got TF!
Of all champs? Tf. TF!
Thinkcards is good do not get me wrong.
But flyquest is good at 5v5ing. Let's fucking pick a champ thats not good at 5v5ing, our biggest strength.
?!?!?!?!,!??!?
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u/deadedgo 04eva Jun 06 '26
Is LS still with them? His Renekton crash outs were legendary
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u/KamikazeFF Jun 07 '26
He's just the strategic consultant, probably makes suggestions here and there but he won't really have any power to push for anything if the team/coaches don't want to
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u/MasWas Jun 06 '26
Yeah that was a coaching staff diff right there, TL just outdid them in that department in every game except game 2.
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u/Jollybuyo Jun 06 '26
The draft was garbage. Just absolutely trash. Zero ability to teamfight 5v5, they lose this way over and over and they dont even REALIZE that's why they are losing so they keep drafting like that? Investigate these coaches, these players deserve WAY fucking better than this.
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u/narfidy #1 QUID glazer 4 life Jun 06 '26
When the world needed him most my goat locked the fuck in THATS WHY HES MY GOAT
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u/Mathlete7 Jun 06 '26
The mid diff this series was incredible, complete domination by Quid ggwp. Flyquest is still a very young roster, but they are so undisciplined at times
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u/CHATOTENJOYER Jun 06 '26
totally winnable for FLY, i think gakgos looked lost in game 4, like there was a lot of disconnect with him and the team. still believe in him as a player though.
100t quid showing up was sick. he'll need to perform like this moving forward to take down either of the top 2.
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u/gyenen Jun 06 '26
god renekton is an embarrassing champion.
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u/xNesku Jun 06 '26
I'm so frustrated that FLY didn't follow the rules of LCS. If you're doing a protect the ADC comp. You pick tank top and scale.
Sion was down, so you go Ksante. Oh Ksante was down, okay you go Ornn. Not Renekton man.
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u/Rozuem Jun 06 '26
:( Sad but good split from the boys, think they have a serious shot at top 3 in Summer. Congrats Liquid!
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u/SneakyStorm Jun 06 '26
Sad that Fly won’t get to go to MSI, such a fun team to watch, would’ve helped their development further.
Feels like the draft for FLY was not it today.
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u/Merriadoc33 Jun 06 '26
Absolutely ridiculous g3 and 4 drafts from FLY. Draft all squishies into Akali and then again to pair with kog I don't get it
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u/Kitchen_House_7186 Jun 07 '26
MY GOSH THESE DRAFTS FROM FLYQUEST WERE CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First game, why the hell would you ever pick jayce on 3 there. 1. you throw away top counter pick for nothing, and 2. you just picked nocturne, he has NO ONE to dive with him and 3. you already see ori rakan and you're picking poke, HOW WILL YOU SURVIVE THEIR DIVE!!!! (hint, they won't).
Game 2, thankfully ahri sucks, but they didn't think of the sylas counter to shyvana.
Game 3, WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!! RUMBLE WITH NO CC TO PAIR HIM UP IS ABYSMAL!! YOU ALREADY PICKED RUMBLE WITH KARMA SO ITS SUSPECT. BUT THEN YOU DO DUMBEST FLEX OF ALL TIME WITH A VAYNE THAT IS COUNTERED BY THE CAITLYN THATS ALREADY THERE!! ONLY STUN WAS ON ANNIE AND WORST OF ALL, THEY FIRST PICKED AKALI!!! AND YOU PICKED ZERO CD OR TANKINESS INTO A FIRST PICK AKALI ARE WE DRUNK!!!!!
Game 4, first pick TF, omg, first pick TF, omg, this is NOT THAT META!!! Kog and lulu seemed a fine answer to lucian milio, but whadya know, the VIKTOR COUNTER TO YOUR DUMB FIRST PICK TF WON THEM THE GAME!!!!!
I loved this team so much, to literally have Games 1 and 3 DECIDED BY ABSOLUTELY ABYSMAL CRIMINAL DRAFTS instead of skill IS UNACCEPTABLE.
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u/Jollybuyo Jun 06 '26
FLY coaching are frauds. They lost Games 1, 3 and 4 in the draft, before the timer even gets to say 0:00. All three losses were MASSIVE comp diff because there's literally zero way, zero ability, for FLY's team compositions in these losses to fight FIVE VERSUS FIVE. Win-con for TL inevery one of these games is SO incredibly simple that they dont even have to DO anything, in fact, NOT doing anything wins them the game because of how utterly dogshit FLY's comps were at 5v5 team fights.
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u/Intrepid-Message698 Jun 06 '26
Game 3 draft was the worst draft I've ever seen in professional league. How do they even get to cait late game while she 2 shots the entire squishy comp?
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u/Jollybuyo Jun 06 '26
FLY coaching be like: "you know what's an INCREDIBLE idea (thanks grok btw) is giving the 1st-picked Akali FIVE squishy targets. That'll be great!"
Edited for typo
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u/kazuyaminegishi Jun 06 '26
Not the worst, TL still has that award with their game 3 against LYON.
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u/Jollybuyo Jun 06 '26
Which is why it's so fucking mind-bogglong that FLY drafted this way against TL of all teams over and over
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u/Kitchen_House_7186 Jun 07 '26
This absolutely. They first picked akali!!! So, do you counter with shen (wasn’t banned until 4-5)? Poppy? Renekton? Braun? Galio? Nah, let’s pick a fully squishy comp with no engage.
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u/Jollybuyo Jun 07 '26
Literally anything else wouldve worked. Also, coach saying during the interview in the middle of the match that the objective fights were hard bc they were late to setup/had no prio and not bc of the atrocious drafting showed me they literally didn't know their drafts were garbo
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u/MoonshotClown Jun 06 '26
Dog top = win, as I said. Ornn was a crucial pick here, obviously viktor carry but now imagine this game with vayne top instead of ornn. Toplaners learn your place wins are free
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u/TypicalHaikuResponse Jun 06 '26
If it's a kogmaw comp why didn't they just go skarner/galio instead of the tf/xin
They were getting melted.
Also Kog didn't go BOTRK so he had no way of recovering health in team fights
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u/kazuyaminegishi Jun 06 '26
Hell yeah, it looks like we have finally learned the right lesson. Put Morgan on tanks, prioritize control mages for Quid, and let Jose be the primary playmaker with Core supporting.
Yeon still needs to step up, but this looked MUCH better than last week.
Also that last game was genuinely extremely well-played by both teams. NA really doesn't look bad this split. The play to have Gakgos suicide to give them the fast Baron angle with Kog was genius and made this game much closer than it would have been otherwise.
I also have to give Massu credit, his job that game is to NEVER die. And he literally died the first time at the Nexus. He stepped forward to do damage as he needed to and arguably the Kog-Lulu didn't look bad. The real problem for FLY this series seemed to be that Gakgos and Quad got stomped.
I'm still not CONFIDENT TL can beat C9 or LYON especially LYON right now, but they are going in the direction I was hoping they would after they lost to LYON.
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u/Fun_Highlight307 Jun 06 '26
Na top 4 looks better than expected,this series was better than the kc/Mkoi imo although hard to looks good for kc when you play vs players who have no hands and poor team fight
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u/kazuyaminegishi Jun 07 '26
Yeah, I'm not gonna let myself get baited and say this translates to international, but from the eye test we really don't look worse than LEC.
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u/Martinweb_ Jun 06 '26
I said Ornn for Morgan and it was done. Morgan did very, very well with Ornn (no offense to Quid with an incredible Viktor carry).
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u/Kurumi_Tokisaki Jun 06 '26
Its not just on Gakgos, and props to TL for beating their destiny with 4th this time.
But, every time a NA team wins with NA Jayce, they set themselves up for a bigger loss and well.. that Jayce did not do much.
Please every NA coach, unless your top laner is fresh off the plane Korean or somehow the entire team is Koreans from LCK/LCKCL then stop trying. You only ask to be humiliated on it soon or later.
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u/Gauntex Jun 06 '26
Damn, really wanted Fly to make at least one of the internationals this spring, so sad to miss out on both by narrow margins.
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u/SlainL9 Jun 07 '26
Flys drafts games 3 & 4 were so bloody awful I refuse to believe this shit is happening in 2026
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u/DinoGuy101010 Jun 06 '26
Man massu was cooking with the kogmaw but Viktor and ornn just zone him so hard while renekton is wet tissue paper go in do 0 damage get oneshot
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u/Agile_Woodpecker2239 Jun 06 '26
Huge step up from TL topside, Yeon continues to get caught and regressing from his 2024-2025 form. He's in his Tactical moment of just dying/getting caught. Gryffinn looks like lil small G on the meta picks (good perma banning shen&nasus)
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u/FicklerToeTickler Jun 07 '26
This just isn't true. Yeon was putting out massive damage. He did get caught once or twice, but he's nowhere near Tactical levels. He did his job well. Could he do it better? Yes. But so can everyone else.
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u/godfrey1 Jun 07 '26
I would've said game 4 had one of the most disgusting drafts from flyquest I've ever seen but game 3 was even worse
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u/Adventurous-Cream182 Jun 06 '26
Reddit perma glazed FLY while perma flaming C9 and TL only for FLY to lose to both and be perpetually 4th
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u/JQuill7 Jun 06 '26
Well yes because there are different expectations for different teams. FLY is literally the youngest team in tier 1 in the world. Naturally they aren't going to be viewed as harshly as very veteran rosters like C9 and TL.
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u/bigyikers c9 is pretty gud Jun 06 '26
Shocker, NA fans want NA teams to win
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u/FicklerToeTickler Jun 07 '26
TL is an NA team. Core has played in NA 99% of his Career. Yeon is American. Jose is one of the 10s of millions of Argentinian people we have in the country, and is very much represented in "NA".
If you don't feel represented as an NA fan by this team, you're the problem for not seeing outside the stupid moniker of "born in NA or nothing."
Anyways, all this to say, if you want your full team of "only born in USA" players to be a norm. Then get better and win.
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u/Clueless_Otter Jun 07 '26
I agree that TL is an NA team.. but I mean.. it's definitely not 99% for Core.
And I don't see how you can class an Argentinian person as "North American." Like, it is literally in South America. Are Nigerians European? It's just as close as Argentina is to NA.
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u/FicklerToeTickler Jun 08 '26
Core started his career in NA on DIG. Then he role swapped and went to Korea for a year. He won worlds, and then he came back. He's played since 2015. That's 11 years. He has played in NA for 10 of those years. Do the math. That's over 90%.
I'm not classifying an Argentinian as North American, I'm saying that Argentinians, along with other cultures choose to migrate to NA all of the time, and live out their lives here. Especially in the U.S. So we shouldn't feel like Jose is an outsider just because he wasnt born here. That's what America is all about, it's a melting pot. Hes choosing to represent our region and move his life here, just as so many other American citizens before him have done.
That's why needing someone to be "born" American in order to feel represented is a fucking stupid mentality. America is the exception to that rule because we literally operate under a different mindset when it comes to who we call American.
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u/Clueless_Otter Jun 09 '26
Do the math. That's over 90%.
Do you need me to do the math for you on why 90% and 99% are different numbers?
I'm saying that Argentinians, along with other cultures choose to migrate to NA all of the time, and live out their lives here.
Okay..? That makes them immigrants. Are Syrians Europeans because there's a lot of Syrian refugees in Europe? Under your definition, anyone who plays in NA is NA, because they've moved to NA to play there.
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u/Fun_Highlight307 Jun 06 '26
flyquest doing well it's good for the league, they are more hype and areea good sign for na talent, people should Root for fly
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u/FicklerToeTickler Jun 07 '26
Yeah don't tell people who to root for. People love players and teams they love. It isn't the fans responsibility to better NA. That's riots job.
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u/TacoTacoBheno Jun 06 '26
Imagine NA fans wanting the NA kids to win over imports and uncs
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u/Cybonics ‿ Jun 07 '26
well, it's mostly due to c9 retaining players that've choked their asses off the past couple years. I don't mind them representing us, but ofc they're gonna have a stinky sentiment when their expectations are 1st and only 1st.
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u/FicklerToeTickler Jun 07 '26
TL only has two imports, Morgan, and Josedeodo. The other 3 are American residents. One of them was born in America, and the other has been living in America for a decade.
Just say you're racist and nationalist.
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u/TacoTacoBheno Jun 07 '26
I am nationalist (regionalist?)! I want NA to be represented by people from NA!
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u/ObviousAd8374 Jun 06 '26
Still don't really understand why people overhyped Fly over winning a regular season Bo3 over LYON who were locked 2nd seed no matter what the result was. LYON just chose to continue experimenting with top lane and dropped two games with their newly joined Castle who ended up not playing a single game in their first playoff bo5.
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u/Sumicc Jun 06 '26
Classic fake Renekton lead into getting out scaled true combo.
I absolutely hate pairing that champ with another bruiser jungler into Viktor who you have to dispatch quickly.
I'm becoming a Jayce and Renekton top hater the more I watch these last few pro series in any region.
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u/Cybonics ‿ Jun 06 '26
ah ggs. TF first pick is crazy prio especially with DFT Viktor in the game lol. onto spring
also good series from Morgan he actually looked connected with the team
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u/Jimbabwr Jun 07 '26
This was a surrender draft by Fly in game 4. Just waving that white flag the second they locked in TF
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u/GoatRocketeer Jun 07 '26
Renekton is useless but not that useless. Like surely you can use the TF to 2v1 kill whoever shows up to vs renekton in the sidelane. I'm not good enough to know why it happened but I swear this game was just perma 5v5
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u/Aquillifer Jun 07 '26
I had a feeling TL would win 3-1 and well would you look at that. FLY is exciting to watch but it is clear they are still a bit too green (no pun intended) to crack into the top 3.
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u/aethyrium Jun 07 '26
Turns out in a team fighting game where a team of diverse characters with diverse abilities needs to draft a team of diverse characters with diverse abilities. Huh.
FLY is fun as hell to watch, but their gimmick of doing nothing but carries and no tanks, no engage and just full damage abilities, and bizarre picks crumbles as soon as they meet a good team.
If they don't learn to play tanks, draft engage, and built a comp that can go front to back, they're going to be eternal gatekeepers that stomp the weak teams but can never win against the good teams.
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u/HB_17 Jun 06 '26
Generational fraud off next Saturday between C9 and liquid on who wants to get embarrassed at MSI more
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u/HB_17 Jun 06 '26
I think zven is so mid I think yeon would play better internationally. I hope this is zvens last year on C9 I want a good young NA adc (if those even exist anymore)
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u/DerAdolfin :kossg: :eum5: Jun 07 '26
Proposition: C9 go, but Zven contracts some sickness so TL can lend out Yeon the way that Doggo was lent to PSG Talon
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u/TheXtractor Jun 06 '26
It is worrying that even in a 3-1 victory TL looks kinda mediocre o7
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u/Fun_Highlight307 Jun 06 '26
that was tl best series this split
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u/DerAdolfin :kossg: :eum5: Jun 07 '26
And yet I have 0 faith in them beating LYON or C9
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u/calvinee Jun 07 '26
TL will be less embarrassing. Both teams will lose don’t get me wrong, but at least TL will make the game look spicy before inevitably throwing. C9 will just get gapped in every lane except top lane and never look interesting.
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u/Fun_Highlight307 Jun 07 '26
yeah tl should be more entertainning than C9 who have no firepower outside of Thanatos
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u/bigyikers c9 is pretty gud Jun 06 '26
Sad day for NA league of legends. Of the top 3 teams in our league, there are 5 (or 4 depending on LYON top) NA players.
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u/UltimateAce1 Jun 07 '26
Waiting for Gryffinn to say something about fucking???… I’m sure he meant his team getting butt blasted right?? Surely he wouldn’t be talking before the games just to lose, right???
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u/BurningWood66 Jun 07 '26
FLY drafting is disgusting. At some point it just becomes unplayable. They have 1 good draft per series, and the others are out of this world mind-blowingly bad. Well deserved loss, coaching staff better step up
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u/ahritina Jun 07 '26
PMTs
Game 1 / Game 2 / Game 3